2016 Postmortem

ibegurpard

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268. of course it's a bad decision!

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:49 AM

Sep 2015

But the vast majority of the people reading.this are NOT going to sit out the election! We are talking about non poltical people who are coming out of the woodwork (including MANY millenials)because they are responding to a message that resonates with them. Hillary will not motivate these people. She just can't.

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If Hillary is the Democratic pick we will have very poor voter turnout and we will lose the election [View all] Fearless Sep 2015 OP

IMO Trump will be the republican nominee. IMO it's hard to tell what is going to happen, because RKP5637 Sep 2015 #1

I can only hope it's Carson and the racist vote stays home. Fearless Sep 2015 #3

Trump would turn the US into a nasty place for millions and millions! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #9

You got that right. However, t-Rump, if the Rethug nominee, will get Berned! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #251

As long as you have a penis and the altitude of your house is >200 feet. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #22

It will not be Carson. 840high Sep 2015 #40

Trump is already on a downward trajectory. brooklynite Sep 2015 #13

And we've still got 13 months till Nov. 2016. Cal33 Sep 2015 #75

Either Melba or rye, but either way, ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #262

I don't think Trump will make it. In fact, I don't think he really wants it. razorman Sep 2015 #35

Has no intention of actually becoming President. First off he couldnt randys1 Sep 2015 #142

oh, i'm sure he works plenty hard (at shady real estate deals often using other ppls money) dionysus Sep 2015 #180

Nah, he delegates and uses thugs. He made his fortune off of a fortune by randys1 Sep 2015 #189

Trump will not be the Republican nominee. n/t bvf Sep 2015 #63

You can say that again! Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #115

Given the trend w/in the Dem Party fredamae Sep 2015 #2

And none of her supporters are willing to discuss issues Snap the Turtle Sep 2015 #4

I encountered same thing. 840high Sep 2015 #41

Everyone entitled to their opinion SCantiGOP Sep 2015 #143

So you still don't care to discuss issues? nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #242

Fearmonger much? liberal N proud Sep 2015 #5

We could discuss issues if you'd like. I don't respond to ad hominem attacks. Fearless Sep 2015 #6

and proving my point... Snap the Turtle Sep 2015 #25

How exactly?! Fearless Sep 2015 #140

The ad hom proved the Poster's Reply 4. merrily Sep 2015 #146

Parsimonious. n/t Fearless Sep 2015 #206

I believe Snap the Turtle was trying to tell you that the post merrily Sep 2015 #249

Your concern is duly noted. nt COLGATE4 Sep 2015 #7

Hillary will garner huge voter turnout. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #86

Ding Ding...We Have a Winner!!! kracer20 Sep 2015 #106

Yup, the R's will come out in droves, independents and Democrats not so much. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2015 #196

Yes, republicans who have been waiting 20+ years to vote against her.. frylock Sep 2015 #110

LOL! merrily Sep 2015 #151

She's also got the Super Delegates for the nomination. COLGATE4 Sep 2015 #173

Superdelegates vote at the convention. Fearless Sep 2015 #207

As a union member, I can assure our very large union has not endorced her and members Live and Learn Sep 2015 #243

I believe the same thing about the teacher unions, in that their base will be for the Bern. DhhD Sep 2015 #258

I think you're wrong. Vinca Sep 2015 #8

You are not the problem. She will get plenty of votes from the reliable Democratic voters. Dawgs Sep 2015 #10

As of last week, only 27% of registered voters TM99 Sep 2015 #16

And on the GOP side Hillary will inspire them zeemike Sep 2015 #111

So will I ibegurpard Sep 2015 #17

You aren't the only voter. jeff47 Sep 2015 #18

Here's a hint: a lot of people don't hate Hillary as much as you apparently do. brooklynite Sep 2015 #21

Here's a hint: Those aren't the only people voting in 2016. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #24

Absolutely true. Plenty of moderate Republicans and Independents... brooklynite Sep 2015 #27

Sure! That's why she's already losing head-to-head matchups with Republicans. jeff47 Sep 2015 #32

Funny how well aiming for the middle worked in 1992, 1996, 2008 and 2012, huh? brooklynite Sep 2015 #38

aiming for the middle won't work this time because the electorate is restive and roguevalley Sep 2015 #69

1992 is before 2000. jeff47 Sep 2015 #124

Got any reliable polls showing her losing to anyone from the GOP? 7962 Sep 2015 #119

Hi, welcome to DU. Believe it or not, there are threads besides this one jeff47 Sep 2015 #127

Boy, you're sure full of yourself arent you. Or something. 7962 Sep 2015 #154

Oh, you referring to the poll showing Trump getting 25% of the black vote? Ha! 7962 Sep 2015 #155

See, you can actually find posts! jeff47 Sep 2015 #185

Its hers to lose. Simple as that. She's shown that she CAN lose, so we'll see 7962 Sep 2015 #191

What the head to head polls don't capture is the degree of disaffected voters leveymg Sep 2015 #232

But remember, the RW will do the same if they get a "RINO" candidate 7962 Sep 2015 #235

The "cleanest" candidate with appeal to Independents will win leveymg Sep 2015 #236

Every time u use "hate" - u sound silly. 840high Sep 2015 #45

Same here. Duppers Sep 2015 #58

"But I thought you were a yellow dog who would vote for any Democrat at all." merrily Sep 2015 #85

EVERYONE who would've held their noses for 2010, '12, and '14 did and we didn't win those ones! MisterP Sep 2015 #94

And the more they play their games the more many of us jwirr Sep 2015 #113

Bill has been jumping on board. I don't think he is going to have the positive effect they merrily Sep 2015 #158

A lot of us have our eyes open now. jwirr Sep 2015 #163

Exactly. And I don't know if appeals a lot to millennials. merrily Sep 2015 #164

We didn't lose the election in 2012 mythology Sep 2015 #224

Yeh. In 2010, many apathetic voters who had been excited by Obama's populist Zorra Sep 2015 #269

Duh! n/t Dawgs Sep 2015 #11

I agree completely, TM99 Sep 2015 #12

If you say so. Metric System Sep 2015 #14

if she is that bad it doesn't say much about those that works lose to her JI7 Sep 2015 #15

After all the decks that have been stacked in her favor, it doesn't say diddly about anyone who merrily Sep 2015 #90

This. PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #133

With the team manager trying to trip them at every step. merrily Sep 2015 #141

I wonder if you see the huge flaw in your argument... brooklynite Sep 2015 #19

Cut the Socialist crap floriduck Sep 2015 #62

It shows how right wing our country has become using socialist like a slur roguevalley Sep 2015 #72

Gallup: "In U.S., Socialist Presidential Candidates Least Appealing" brooklynite Sep 2015 #84

9 in 10 people Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #125

"Self proclaimed socialist" pinebox Sep 2015 #82

The Republican turnout will be huge redstateblues Sep 2015 #107

The Republican turnout will be huge if there is a Clinton on the ballot. frylock Sep 2015 #112

socialism is not the boogie man anymore. mopinko Sep 2015 #102

So if Clinton is the nominee, then Sanders' supporters will stay home and allow Repubs ... LonePirate Sep 2015 #20

The people who are excited enough to be labeled "Sanders Supporters" jeff47 Sep 2015 #26

You are right, Jeff47... Blus4u Sep 2015 #233

Crossover voting disappeared with the Southern realignment. jeff47 Sep 2015 #264

This is why Clinton fails Android3.14 Sep 2015 #37

True But they stayed home in midterms in 2014 Didn't They? INdemo Sep 2015 #78

Please see Reply 10 merrily Sep 2015 #92

I hope you understand that there are a great number of jwirr Sep 2015 #120

Question: will you show up at the polls? oasis Sep 2015 #23

You don't have to worry about the OP showing up at the polls jeff47 Sep 2015 #28

I get what you are saying. Bernie like no other upaloopa Sep 2015 #39

Whether he will be able to govern effectively... thesquanderer Sep 2015 #56

I'm not the one claiming a magical president can get Republicans to pass things. jeff47 Sep 2015 #60

I never said that. My hope is that Hillary upaloopa Sep 2015 #170

Which passes bills how? jeff47 Sep 2015 #184

Not worried about the op or you showing up. I'd just like oasis Sep 2015 #49

When it can't win the election, why does it matter what the intentions are? jeff47 Sep 2015 #52

I'll agree Obama's message of Hope and Change had a lot oasis Sep 2015 #88

A ton of money to work with. From the nice little guys over jwirr Sep 2015 #131

If "so many Democrats are furious" about Hillary's donors oasis Sep 2015 #149

Are you telling me that those abundance of congressional jwirr Sep 2015 #159

True, you are not alone. oasis Sep 2015 #165

Sure about that? Most of us have family we are worried jwirr Sep 2015 #169

All you and I have to go on is polling. oasis Sep 2015 #183

Hillary's trend is the polls has been downward for a while. merrily Sep 2015 #186

We are living in the now. <nt> oasis Sep 2015 #192

No one is voting in the now though. At least one purpose of polls is to say something about what merrily Sep 2015 #253

LOL Want to call a truce? jwirr Sep 2015 #202

Sorry, I had to run an errand. Truce okay. oasis Sep 2015 #225

The question is will the average American Fearless Sep 2015 #199

That's why I think of her as the Tapioca Queen Android3.14 Sep 2015 #29

Invest in Turbineguy Sep 2015 #30

And your source(s) for this proclamation is .... ? Lil Missy Sep 2015 #31

Believe it or not, people are allowed to have their own opinions. jeff47 Sep 2015 #47

Your outrage is duly noted. n/t Lil Missy Sep 2015 #182

I hope not, but I think the party needs to decide what it is Doctor_J Sep 2015 #33

The only "why" she wants that I've been able to figure out jeff47 Sep 2015 #43

even her donors are getting worried. She is a disaster who wants her turn in the history roguevalley Sep 2015 #74

You're probably just bitter because you didn't receive a gift box of household products. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #61

She has a favorabity rating of 73% among Dems upaloopa Sep 2015 #34

Dems are 27% of voters. Need a bit more than 27% to win. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #36

Bernie has a 37% favorabilty among Dems upaloopa Sep 2015 #48

He also has an extremely high "don't know him enough". jeff47 Sep 2015 #57

don't worry about it. Hillary will fuck it up. She has already. She should be flying roguevalley Sep 2015 #76

No you are just wrong upaloopa Sep 2015 #80

If I was, you'd post a link to a poll. jeff47 Sep 2015 #87

Boom. merrily Sep 2015 #168

... you mean after he's been in congress for over 30 years?! tia uponit7771 Sep 2015 #227

He's well known in his state. He isn't outside his state. jeff47 Sep 2015 #229

+1 stonecutter357 Sep 2015 #42

Typical bullshit OP. Talk issues instead of trying to undermine Democratic still_one Sep 2015 #44

Electability in the general is THE biggest issue there is. It was why I chose Obama in 2008 and from merrily Sep 2015 #137

That is just garbage. Anyone who doesn't realize the stakes of not turning still_one Sep 2015 #238

Yet, most people who are eligible to vote don't vote. Fearless did not create that.. merrily Sep 2015 #247

I may not agree completely with your reasoning, but I think your conclusion is valid. razorman Sep 2015 #46

I thought this was GD:P, not your personal complaint board shenmue Sep 2015 #50

I love your irony, but not your double standards. merrily Sep 2015 #160

gloom and doom.... chillfactor Sep 2015 #51

On what basis do you draw this conclusion? MineralMan Sep 2015 #53

the poster simply is a hillary hater trueblue2007 Sep 2015 #81

Please see post 45. NealK Sep 2015 #194

If Hillary is the nominee, SheilaT Sep 2015 #54

I don't think so and I hope not. Cobalt Violet Sep 2015 #55

Dogs and Cats, living together ... MASS HYSTERIA!!!! JoePhilly Sep 2015 #59

democrats and independents will vote for mrs. clinton captainarizona Sep 2015 #64

Many Democrats. Not all. Few indies. merrily Sep 2015 #162

Oh Good Gawd! leftofcool Sep 2015 #65

Please & speak for yourself Keep-Left Sep 2015 #66

Women in NH are disagreeing with you. Snap the Turtle Sep 2015 #147

oh boy Keep-Left Sep 2015 #260

I for one will not stay home. abakan Sep 2015 #67

She cannot win under any circumstances FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #68

Sad, but true. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #70

Not only that, no one would motivate the knuckle-dragging hifiguy Sep 2015 #71

THIS IS ONLY YOUR SILLY OPINION. Where are the fact to back up this stuff??? trueblue2007 Sep 2015 #73

there are no facts in this but retrowire Sep 2015 #99

An opinion about a candidate's electability on a political message board. merrily Sep 2015 #145

If Sanders is the Democratic pick we will see very heavy Republican turnout and Trump elected WheelWalker Sep 2015 #77

notwithstanding his appeal to non-loony Republican voters? MisterP Sep 2015 #96

That's just it... I don't think he has much appeal to non-loony Republicans. I suspect WheelWalker Sep 2015 #108

I think Hillary will motivate at least as many Republicans as Bernie would thesquanderer Sep 2015 #103

Actually, maybe even more than Sanders. Better than either would Biden do, imo. WheelWalker Sep 2015 #109

25% of Vermont's Republicans vote for Bernie. merrily Sep 2015 #134

In Vermont, they vote for a Sanders labeled an Independent, don't they? WheelWalker Sep 2015 #210

I don't think the label makes a whit of difference. I think they hear his message and they saw merrily Sep 2015 #248

Welcome to Bernie Underground GitRDun Sep 2015 #79

whats anti democratic retrowire Sep 2015 #98

If you have to ask you're part of the problem... GitRDun Sep 2015 #121

lmao thanks for your time. n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #123

What a childish and clueless post. NealK Sep 2015 #190

lol GitRDun Sep 2015 #217

"Oh yeah, it's childless and clueless" NealK Sep 2015 #220

Hahahahahaha intelligent response Neal GitRDun Sep 2015 #222

Well I couldn't resist believing that such a lovely typo was cute. NealK Sep 2015 #230

Hillary is not the end all and be all of the Democratic Party Fearless Sep 2015 #197

Not according to some. hifiguy Sep 2015 #203

Tensions bring it the best and worst in people Fearless Sep 2015 #205

There's a difference between not wanting her as President and GitRDun Sep 2015 #216

Just the same as there's a difference between apples and oranges. Fearless Sep 2015 #246

lol ok GitRDun Sep 2015 #266

Don't be soooo fearful. Or sooo negative. Or sooooo defeatist. L. Coyote Sep 2015 #83

In other words: Bernie Supporters do not support the Democratic party lobodons Sep 2015 #89

Hillary will garner huge voter turnout. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #91

I got kicked out of the Hillary Group for saying this, but with all the negative bullshit in here world wide wally Sep 2015 #93

Most people don't know DU exists, let alone what gets posted here. merrily Sep 2015 #97

You're right, but they are aware of the infighting going on among Dems in general world wide wally Sep 2015 #114

If they are aware, it's not because of what gets posted here anyway. On that, we agree. merrily Sep 2015 #126

I actually was not referring to this OP world wide wally Sep 2015 #152

The OP spells out why exactly he or she thinks voter turnout will be low with Hillary. merrily Sep 2015 #156

If people don't vote they get the government they deserve. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #95

Maybe people deserve better choices at the ballot box than they typically get, too. merrily Sep 2015 #130

Those who vote are the victims, of those who don't vote. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #200

Sorry, we disagree. IMO, those who don't vote because their choices are poor are also victims. merrily Sep 2015 #250

Those who don't vote do no care enough to make tough decisions. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #275

63% of those eligible to vote do not vote. Looking at young people, it's 80% merrily Sep 2015 #276

I think individuals are responsible for their choices and actions. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #277

No clue why you just keep repeating yourself. merrily Sep 2015 #278

I think our turnout will be fine underpants Sep 2015 #100

You don't seem very Fearless to me... CapnSteve Sep 2015 #101

If you are right, then Democrats are too stupid to be allowed to govern anyway. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #104

And now, people who helped Bush sell that war in the Middle East are running for President. merrily Sep 2015 #132

you can blame your third way friends ibegurpard Sep 2015 #267

Politics-as-usual is going to stir up a lot of meh. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #105

If she chooses a well qualified Hispanic Frances Sep 2015 #116

I will vote for whoever the dem nominee is. n/t geardaddy Sep 2015 #117

i dont like Hillary but I dont see her losing to any on the right. nt 7962 Sep 2015 #118

Over a year out from the general, did you see any Democrat losing to Dimson? merrily Sep 2015 #161

if youre talking about W, yes. And lots of polls showed it 7962 Sep 2015 #171

Really? Over a year before the general, before the primaries occurred, polls showed Dimson beating merrily Sep 2015 #172

At times, yes. But that would only matter if he was running again. These are different people. 7962 Sep 2015 #187

I don't remember that at all. Hillary may have been in the lead until 2012, but, as far as we knew merrily Sep 2015 #252

There's a crack november3rd Sep 2015 #122

Well... kenfrequed Sep 2015 #128

True, there is one alternative to oligarchy, Bernie, simple fact . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #129

Disagree Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #135

As an unabashed Sanders support I disagree with your post ... kind of The Traveler Sep 2015 #136

Nonsense. randys1 Sep 2015 #138

So true! nt Logical Sep 2015 #139

You need to change your username ... LannyDeVaney Sep 2015 #144

Really dumb to give up your one vote, over your life you don't get to vote that many times . Sunlei Sep 2015 #148

Your second sentence is correct and that is a problem. merrily Sep 2015 #167

Sorry, it's my opinion. It is a bad decision, stupidity to 'sit out a vote', to not vote at all. Sunlei Sep 2015 #175

You know I said "correct," right? merrily Sep 2015 #177

ohkay Sunlei Sep 2015 #181

of course it's a bad decision! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #268

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #150

I cant even tell you how many people I know who feel exactly that way. bunnies Sep 2015 #153

Actually, I don' think you know much about real politics in this country. Persondem Sep 2015 #157

Agitating to create apathy much? applegrove Sep 2015 #166

Hillary Clinton's Image Improves Among Democrats 73%:20% Favorable - Gallup Bill USA Sep 2015 #174

no randys1 Sep 2015 #176

i think you're right, but i fear our dumbass electorate might pass on bernie, too. we're a nation dionysus Sep 2015 #178

hey "Fearful", do you think if Bernie Sanders loses he will tell people not to vote? Sunlei Sep 2015 #179

Hillary is the front-runner ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #188

Your first lines provide proof for the second. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #211

If that's the case ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #214

If the election were today, sure. But it's not today. Nor is it close Scootaloo Sep 2015 #215

If you think that's my "main argument" ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #219

It's the argument you presented Scootaloo Sep 2015 #223

+1 NealK Sep 2015 #226

The argument I presented ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #234

Welcome back to the light. I hope you enjoy your stay. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #245

K&R NealK Sep 2015 #193

Plus she's repub-lite, so what's the point? [nt] Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #195

Good work! I have decided that I will only vote for an actual Democrat for president. Walk away Sep 2015 #198

Really dumb post. (and I am a Bernie guy) HERVEPA Sep 2015 #201

If voters wants a republican president and thinks a republican president is going to push Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #204

Lower turnout than Bernie, but still enough to trounce a Republican. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #208

I guess we may as well through in the towel doc03 Sep 2015 #209

No we won't. Loki Sep 2015 #212

Actually I think there will be millions of women especially younger women book_worm Sep 2015 #213

Millennials don't give two hoots about the boogie man"socialist" label and are smart enough to know in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #218

I'll turn out ,anyway. Scruffy1 Sep 2015 #221

I think you are right IVoteDFL Sep 2015 #228

50% of Americans will not even consider voting for a socialist so we doc03 Sep 2015 #231

Well, Fearless, this turned out to be a really long thread. So I'll add to it... PatrickforO Sep 2015 #237

+1 Everyone at work is now turning on to Bernie. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #244

No, she will not lose! No matter how many here on DU says she akbacchus_BC Sep 2015 #239

So the new progressives-socialists won't come out... Historic NY Sep 2015 #240

Regardless who the pick is awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #241

Plus, wrong about Wars, past, present & future. grahamhgreen Sep 2015 #254

And women would not come out for Obama in 2008 RandySF Sep 2015 #255

We will also see a decrease in democratic party membership too, many will leave the party YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #256

I think that will be the case only if JEB is the Repub nominee eridani Sep 2015 #257

If Hillary is our candidate, we will lose. Scuba Sep 2015 #259

You will put forth a concerted effort to make it so. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #261

If Hillary has low turnout, then it may be the way it, is NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #263

Gore won Rose Siding Sep 2015 #265

Bookmarking Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #270

Possibly. bigwillq Sep 2015 #271

There will be massive voter turnout. DCBob Sep 2015 #272

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #273

Seems useless to flame a mere allegation... LanternWaste Sep 2015 #274