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sabrina 1

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122. Criticizing policy decisions is not bashing or attacking. People will just have to get used to the
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:45 PM
Sep 2015

fact that when someone chooses, no one forces anyone, to run for high office in this country voters are going to look at their RECORDS because that is the only way they can decide if a candidate is qualified for that office.

If anyone thinks they can protect their favorite candidate from scrutiny on their policies, they shouldn't be supporting that candidate. Because if it is hard to defend someone on their policies, that is a clue that maybe it's the wrong candidate.

I did that for several years, it was stressful and difficult to defend the Clintons as fiercely as I did and sometimes I just could not win against some of the FACTS people were presenting, though I definitely tried.

Then when I saw the Clintons in such cozy relationships with the very people whose supporters we had all battled on their behalf, I learned a very important lesson. Should have known better at the time, but I am a Dem after all and was fairly blinded by loyalty to my party.

Now I want Dems who can easily be defended because their records are so good, all I have to do is state the facts and not try to 'explain' why s/he voted over and over again, or took positions against the very principles Dems claim to support.

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The HRC gang couldn't believe that they were not the kool kids. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #1
Actually, given the amount of Obama-bashing, even going as far as to express the wish DanTex Sep 2015 #9
exactly. Thanks for making my point. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #10
Sorry, I'm sticking around. I still believe DU is for Democrats. DanTex Sep 2015 #13
...and at least the folks on our side are prepared to support the TOS... brooklynite Sep 2015 #84
I've seen Hillary supporters say they wouldn't vote for Bernie in the GE. senz Sep 2015 #96
It's Skinner's world, and we live in it. brooklynite Sep 2015 #105
Skinner sets the rules, but we don't "live" here. And I doubt that Skinner senz Sep 2015 #112
Your OP from a couple days ago, promoting intelligent discussion Deny and Shred Sep 2015 #17
Crazy that got a hide, right? Tell me honestly, would a similar OP by a Bernie supporter DanTex Sep 2015 #19
The OP tried making a point Deny and Shred Sep 2015 #21
Making the OP's case... DanTex Sep 2015 #22
I agree, its inflammatory Deny and Shred Sep 2015 #24
And it's the first response to this OP, and yet you decide to go after me. DanTex Sep 2015 #25
I saw your OP the other day and was appalled Deny and Shred Sep 2015 #33
Appalled, huh? Conspiracies, huh? You mean like the theory that every union that has endorsed DanTex Sep 2015 #34
Yes, appalled. Deny and Shred Sep 2015 #35
Of course I stand by it. It was factual. And, yes, you're not the only person on DU who DanTex Sep 2015 #36
For someone AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #81
Calling supporters of Sanders Hillary bashers is "irrelevant nonsense." merrily Sep 2015 #44
"Self imposed victim status" AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #79
Speaking of blow jobs, you want to put Bill pocoloco Sep 2015 #40
I am going to go out on a limb Deny and Shred Sep 2015 #42
So you think 22 year old adults need their chastity protected? ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #48
What level of effort? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #61
Chicks can't control themselves ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #128
I call bullshit. Link please. "even going as far as to express the wish that McCain merrily Sep 2015 #43
A hugely popular anti-Hillary poster, and it wasn't remotely taken out of context. DanTex Sep 2015 #45
IOW, calling bs on your prior post was correct. You admit it was only ONE poster, yet your prior merrily Sep 2015 #50
sometimes the "system" restorefreedom Sep 2015 #83
And there is a perfect example, complete with what has become known as 'hippy punching', a silly sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #118
I like hippies and I'm nonviolent, so that's an absurd accusation. DanTex Sep 2015 #120
The attacks on Hillary from the likes of you on DU began before either she or Bernie declared. Metric System Sep 2015 #26
Attacks or disagreement with her policies - there is a difference. jwirr Sep 2015 #41
Criticizing policy decisions is not bashing or attacking. People will just have to get used to the sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #122
Their spring initiative seemed to be about pushing others out. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #30
That was so well said and so true. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #32
That sums it up nicely. n/t bvf Sep 2015 #38
Thanks, Warren. Background, context, & explanations do help. senz Sep 2015 #66
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Android3.14 Sep 2015 #70
Lordy! It's their first line of response. senz Sep 2015 #77
Well there it is, a completely dishonest alert. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #102
Excellent summary. frylock Sep 2015 #119
That was the old DU. leftofcool Sep 2015 #2
Well, for me the old DU was post 9-11, Bush era stuff where we argued but had certain solidarity Armstead Sep 2015 #6
That was the original DU. Democrats' being against Dimson was a no brainer. merrily Sep 2015 #54
It became obvious in 2008 that the only thing we had in common was a shared hatred of Cheney. frylock Sep 2015 #121
complete fabrication MoveIt Sep 2015 #47
I don't see that everyone feels comfortable here, there has been overt alert stalking on people uponit7771 Sep 2015 #3
Yes there has been SwampG8r Sep 2015 #4
Actually, Skinner has already said he saw no evidence of that at all and he is correct leftofcool Sep 2015 #5
They should open up the stats. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #7
I have no doubt he said that in the past SwampG8r Sep 2015 #8
Actually the complaint was made about Hillarysupporters.com leftofcool Sep 2015 #14
Skinner has already answered those questions in ATA. JTFrog Sep 2015 #51
LOL! merrily Sep 2015 #49
The idea that somehow the 10% or so Clinton supporters would even be able to alert stalk in any DanTex Sep 2015 #11
Whatever makes you quiet SwampG8r Sep 2015 #12
LOL. "Evidence." DanTex Sep 2015 #16
i am not following you. i am not sure you know what mirt does. mopinko Sep 2015 #37
Like you, I have served on MIRT. MineralMan Sep 2015 #56
They can't stand the fact that people are actually waking up and reporting some truths. leftofcool Sep 2015 #15
Not ludicrous at all, neither statement. merrily Sep 2015 #55
Jury results lately seem to allow anything nasty posted about Hillary to stand, so even if there's Metric System Sep 2015 #29
Absolutely untrue. I've seen bad hides on both sides. I've seen bad leaves on both sides. merrily Sep 2015 #57
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #131
Thanks for this, Arm JackInGreen Sep 2015 #18
Snark is like seasoning... Armstead Sep 2015 #20
Notice how admissions of this kind come only from one side--and no, that is not merrily Sep 2015 #60
I've noticed the same thing. It used to separate Democrats from Republicans for me. senz Sep 2015 #75
Yes, we could say that, senz. merrily Sep 2015 #78
Yes, labels don't tell us much anymore. senz Sep 2015 #92
Your posts are astute. I don't think you have any reason to be hard on yourself. merrily Sep 2015 #94
Thanks, but knowing one's limitations and being hard on oneself are senz Sep 2015 #100
If it works for you, I'll shut up merrily Sep 2015 #104
Yeah, we know what works for us as individuals. senz Sep 2015 #109
Exceeded only by his Dad. That, of course, is based only on my own observations of people I know. merrily Sep 2015 #111
Sometimes exaggerating one's faults is a way of senz Sep 2015 #116
I am so glad I have ZERO passion for any of the candidates (so far) because I'm afraid the "passion" seaglass Sep 2015 #23
I had not seen that thread before. But I find NOTHING wrong with the OP. senz Sep 2015 #90
Don't care. n/t seaglass Sep 2015 #93
You care like crazy or you wouldn't have brought it up. senz Sep 2015 #98
You've got one thing right, I've seen your posts, I've seen your consistent nasty comments. seaglass Sep 2015 #99
Wow. senz Sep 2015 #101
Indeed! Turbineguy Sep 2015 #27
I Just Hope . . . Gamecock Lefty Sep 2015 #28
that's what I am talking about Armstead Sep 2015 #31
Good point but floriduck Sep 2015 #39
I just take folks like you Trajan Sep 2015 #52
I just hope you open your eyes to how nasty some of the supporters of Hillary have been. merrily Sep 2015 #53
Huh kenfrequed Sep 2015 #58
Lucky for me I consider candidates not their self declared cohorts because every candidate now and Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #67
Yep. The only single thing supporters of a candidate have in common is.... Armstead Sep 2015 #91
Maybe they are... For Freddie Sep 2015 #68
"I actually liked Bernie before I 'met' some of his supporters on DU." MindfulOne Sep 2015 #108
I have not been comfortable on DU for years PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #46
Please, the Primary forum has turned into a Bernie echo chamber... LannyDeVaney Sep 2015 #59
Are Bernie's supporters responsible for the lack of positive posts about Hillary, too? merrily Sep 2015 #64
Young Folks For Freddie Sep 2015 #74
is discussion and or debate on line more about action/reaction ? olddots Sep 2015 #62
Ok Armstead I agree and I can say that as someone who only stops in now and then, Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #63
what on earth is a "lefty libertarian third way member?" merrily Sep 2015 #65
You can identify them by what they promote and the ideas they support. Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #69
See Reply 65. In this race, third way is represented most closely by Hillary and the left of the merrily Sep 2015 #71
Gotta agree with Merrily - you are making no sense. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2015 #106
LOL, you know, the radical liberal/conservative, hot/cold, light/dark, pro-choice/pro-life, FSogol Sep 2015 #72
I know who you mean, and I hope that fucker stops disrupting "the Democratic" yesterday. merrily Sep 2015 #76
Honestly I am trying to discern some meaning from your comment but haven't found any so far. Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #82
You don't see the nonsensical oxymoron in you post? FSogol Sep 2015 #86
I see that as a signal this discussion is over. Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #117
If folks feel uncomfortable, that's their problem bigwillq Sep 2015 #73
That would be your personal view and ignores all the angst that occurs on this site and you are Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #85
Can you give some examples of the talking points developed by the conservative think tanks Maedhros Sep 2015 #107
Remember the Heritage Found and other conservative sites and their directions to the tea party sign Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #110
Have you seen that kind of rhetoric on DU? Maedhros Sep 2015 #114
Perhaps I need a list of the asshats. I frequent a site that allows unlimited user IDs so habitually Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #124
What do you mean by "third way lefty libertarian?" Maedhros Oct 2015 #125
Maedhros, I am not a poly sci teacher, just another internet liberal. If you haven't untangled the Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #129
I disagree with your interpretations. [n/a] Maedhros Oct 2015 #132
Thanks for the one sided dialog. Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #133
Family For Freddie Sep 2015 #88
+1 NealK Sep 2015 #113
Comfort shouldn't be valued over truth in DU. Now isn't the time for "comfortable." Now is the time ancianita Sep 2015 #80
When does delivering truth require a personal insult? I believe it is the personal attacks Armstead Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #87
I do agree with that. Absolutely. I'm all for reminding each other of that. ancianita Sep 2015 #89
It is not just supporters of candidates but there has been concerted effort for some time Skidmore Sep 2015 #95
I don't agree. Armstead Sep 2015 #97
You are wrong. Skidmore Sep 2015 #103
Its much more complicated than that Armstead Sep 2015 #115
I'm a woman. I don't feel like anyone has tried to run me off because I'm a woman. liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #123
+1 Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #126
I agree with that. LWolf Oct 2015 #127
This is no longer a democratic board workinclasszero Oct 2015 #130
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