2016 Postmortem

Uncle Joe

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140. From my very post on the subject of the Bully Pulpit #105

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:58 PM

Sep 2015

Furthermore if Bernie succeeds at being elected to the White House, it can only come about because of a revolutionary, grassroots movement and such a powerful political dynamic will create long and strong coat tails, a future Congress would be reshaped as a result and will not resemble what's in power now.

Bernie knows how to use the bully pulpit and if any Democratic Congressman bucked such a crystal clear mandate, the political repercussions against them would be especially severe in 2018.

He has used it (past tense) adeptly as a Senator and Presidential Candidate, should he be elected to the White House, his Bully Pulpit power will increase all the more and the same would hold true for Elizabeth Warren if she were President.

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Reality Check - Working people would be fired and prosecuted for using a Hillary server. And... [View all] whereisjustice Sep 2015 OP

Thank you for this anti-Hillary hit piece. leftofcool Sep 2015 #1

Hillary Server - a crash prone system, developed by Wall Street, bought by DNC, you can pick one up whereisjustice Sep 2015 #3

supporters like you angel123 Sep 2015 #24

"supporters like you" lololol - you know what and who is unhealthy for America? whereisjustice Sep 2015 #26

you warm the cold hearts of the GOP McCarthy campaigners. Innuendo and implied accusations you Bill USA Sep 2015 #118

If a snarky joke from a supporter Krytan11c Sep 2015 #43

Vote for him or not, but let me say this: cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #73

"what exactly is a "Hillary Server" " awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #55

aka someone who serves a subpoena to a public official to release US State Dept communications whereisjustice Sep 2015 #84

The BASHing that goes on here is amazing. randys1 Sep 2015 #101

In the store of Entitlement , Marie Antoinette would of had one, and when asked why, it would have orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #127

The RW water you carry has already been long debunked. A civil servant would not be fired. Link?* Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #2

If I ran my corporate email on my home server I would be fired and prosecuted, but I am not rich whereisjustice Sep 2015 #4

"Corporate email is protected under the law." jberryhill Sep 2015 #10

There is a reason law school is three years long and hard to get into, as many are not aware. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #38

If DU is a sign of anything in the larger public, President Cruz is gonna have fun randys1 Sep 2015 #102

HRC was a U.S. Senator and Secretary of State. She had Hortensis Sep 2015 #19

Lol, I used corporate email on my phone, my friends computer and my personal laptop all the time. bettyellen Sep 2015 #62

There are a these weird comparisons upaloopa Sep 2015 #107

Link: I have a network and data security job in corporate America. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #9

What difference does that make? One can be all things on the Internet, that is why it was invented. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #39

You misunderstand. I want to talk LAW! What law was broken worthy of dismissal and prosecution? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #40

I think this is a big non-story that is nonetheless in the news cycles. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #42

So, if you criticize Hillary, you're "carrying water" for the right wing? nichomachus Sep 2015 #50

Non sequitur. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #56

That's some serious crazy right there. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #5

Even you can see Hillary as a candidate for any political party except her own is indeed crazy. whereisjustice Sep 2015 #6

I love nonsensical ranting on a Saturday morning. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #7

Hillary says she is an "outsider", indeed nonsensical - are you saying she drunk tweeted that? whereisjustice Sep 2015 #11

She is a woman who currently holds no political office. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #17

Hillary's no outsider lol pinebox Sep 2015 #33

The term "outsider" can't be used for career politicians. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #34

Both Sanders and Trump are seen as outsiders pinebox Sep 2015 #37

Bernie is great, but he is definitely not an outsider. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #41

I'll disagree pinebox Sep 2015 #45

He has been getting a local or federal government paycheck for nearly a third of a century. MADem Sep 2015 #53

Yes while true pinebox Sep 2015 #60

You said it, not me. I'll take a ten foot pole when getting into those kinds of discussions. MADem Sep 2015 #69

Bernie is seen as an outsider pinebox Sep 2015 #86

Bernie is an outsider against the "Deep State" of which Hillary is intricately tied to. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #78

Lockheed Martin? F-35? Sandia Labs? Looks like he's IN that club. nt MADem Sep 2015 #88

Certainly not to the extent that Hillary is, Bernie's funding is from the people not the mega-rich Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #90

So, just putting a toe in is OK? Hmmm. OK. nt MADem Sep 2015 #91

I would rather have a President with a stinky toe than one swimming in shit and proud of it. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #92

The truth is, that once they put a toe in, they usually want to go for a swim. MADem Sep 2015 #97

Until the time comes that Bernie does go for a swim, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #98

He's wading--you just don't see it because it doesn't suit your hopes and desires for him as a MADem Sep 2015 #100

It's all relative and by your own admission Bernie' has only put a toe in. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #103

Please don't regard my "toe" comment as a measure of his involvement. That was posited as a MADem Sep 2015 #104

My declaration is in agreement with your posed question and if you read the transcript or viewed the Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #105

If he were so good at using the "bully pulpit" don't you think he would have so done before now? MADem Sep 2015 #106

The "bully pulpit" is a Presidential platform not so much that of a Congressperson or Senator. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #108

Ted Kennedy used it all the time. Elizabeth Warren uses it routinely. MADem Sep 2015 #109

None of the people that you cited were President and their voices didn't and don't carry the same Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #110

Oh, really? MADem Sep 2015 #111

I never said that nobody ever heard Ted Kennedy, Elizabeth Warren nor any of the other people that Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #112

Just stop it. MADem Sep 2015 #113

I'm not moving the goalposts, the first sentence from my post# 108 Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #114

Ha--now you're moving 'em BACK again!!! MADem Sep 2015 #115

I will type this slowly and highlight the bolded parts for your re-reading pleasure Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #116

Typing slowly may help your spelling and grammar, but all you're doing is delaying your response. MADem Sep 2015 #117

No you haven't and I bet if you pulled a "Jaywalking" and asked the people Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #120

Yes, I have, and you're embarrassing yourself now. You're playing nanny nanny boo boo MADem Sep 2015 #121

Name recognition gives an advantage in sparking attention, that's just logic. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #123

Aren't you exhausted? You've hauled those goalposts all over the field, now! nt MADem Sep 2015 #124

The goalposts haven't been moved except within your own imagination. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #126

Your posts are not invisible. Anyone can read them and see where MADem Sep 2015 #133

Congratulations on that keen observation and as for "goalposts?" Your first post #53 Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #135

Sorry pal--you were leading this little dance, not me. And gish galloping doesn't work with me, MADem Sep 2015 #137

My position on the bully pulpit hasn't changed at any point on this thread, except in Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #138

Not sure what your point is, there. An outsider running for POTUS can have a bully pulpit. MADem Sep 2015 #139

From my very post on the subject of the Bully Pulpit #105 Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #140

Yeah, and then you picked up those goalposts and said this.... MADem Sep 2015 #142

I suppose "not as much" would've been a better phrase but I also added this to the same post. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #143

Stop with the 1 of 535 stuff. We all KNOW that some Senators and Reps have higher profiles than MADem Sep 2015 #144

I hate to pop your bubble but everyone doesn't know who Elizabeth Warren is anymore than they know Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #145

Yeah, that's why 'no one' is talking about them...not. MADem Sep 2015 #146

Now you're moving the goal posts, going from "everyone knows" to "no one" is talking about them..not Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #147

Sarcasm, apparently, escapes you. MADem Sep 2015 #148

I know what "not" means in that context and I know what your post was stating after I Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #149

Are you sure of that? Didn't seem that way to me. nt MADem Sep 2015 #150

Everyone doesn't know. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #151

Everyone capable of being influenced does. Anyone else doesn't give a shit. nt MADem Sep 2015 #152

That's a false statement. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #153

No, it's not. nt MADem Sep 2015 #154

Yes it is "everyone capable of being influenced" knows them is absolutist bullshit. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #155

Ah, yes indeed..... MADem Sep 2015 #156

That's a good response for someone that has none. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #157

Aw, now you're just fuming. nt MADem Oct 2015 #158

"Fuming" I couldn't be happier. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #159

Whatever you say! nt MADem Oct 2015 #160

Thank you, peace to you, MADem. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #161

That's true. Sanders is the outsider as proved by the fact zappaman Sep 2015 #59

Which is fine pinebox Sep 2015 #61

Ummm. No. MADem Sep 2015 #72

Actually pinebox Sep 2015 #76

You are confusing the general election electors with super delegates at the nominating convention. MADem Sep 2015 #77

Keep in mind pinebox Sep 2015 #85

Sorry--it is part of the Partys protocols, and pigs will fly before they "scrap" it. MADem Sep 2015 #89

Anddddd pinebox Sep 2015 #93

If you don't like the system, you are free to reject it wholesale. MADem Sep 2015 #94

What is this nonsense? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #8

oh, so protesting when a group of harmful Wall Street shills takes control of primary process whereisjustice Sep 2015 #13

Protesting the primary process is the one thing your post didn't seem to mention. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #21

Only Republicans and Hillary haters care about the email server. Period. DanTex Sep 2015 #12

Nonsense - I work with Democrats and we are disgusted. But we are workers and non-rich. whereisjustice Sep 2015 #15

The only thing to be disgusted about here is people claiming to be Democrats pushing right-wing DanTex Sep 2015 #16

So you believe good government is anti-Democrat? whereisjustice Sep 2015 #18

Non sequitur. DanTex Sep 2015 #20

Non answer. whereisjustice Sep 2015 #25

What is a "Hillary Server" regards uponit7771 Sep 2015 #14

The rich and connected live by different rules. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #22

Hillary supporters better grow up because your candidate is going to get shit from anyone whereisjustice Sep 2015 #23

You mad? leftofcool Sep 2015 #29

You monosyllabic? whereisjustice Sep 2015 #32

Private email servers are pretty much the norm for most companies. toddwv Sep 2015 #27

What company lets an individual employee run a private email server for their whereisjustice Sep 2015 #28

My husband's for one. We have a private server. Never been hacked in 15 years. leftofcool Sep 2015 #30

hahahahahah - go tell that to IBM, HP, Dell, MSFT, Google, INTL and any fortune 500 whereisjustice Sep 2015 #31

Donny, you are out of your element. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #47

My husband worked as an engineer for a telecom company and regularly had to sign liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #44

I agree 100% pinebox Sep 2015 #35

Well said - I think there is a heap of truth in your reply and the OP. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #67

Do your homework. DOJ has cleared Hillary of any wrongdoing. The RW would riversedge Sep 2015 #46

The professional left has turned to Dawson Leery Sep 2015 #48

That is so obvious just by looking riversedge Sep 2015 #52

To their dismay, the more they pile on with bullshit and spurious accusations, MADem Sep 2015 #128

So painfully obvious it pains us all to have keep pointing it out. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #57

Drudge pinebox Sep 2015 #63

Utter nonsense--Drudge still sucks. Today's headline: "Putin Outsmarts Obama." MADem Sep 2015 #125

Utter nonsense? pinebox Sep 2015 #129

See? You're admitting it. MADem Sep 2015 #130

Jeez who cares pinebox Sep 2015 #131

You are gish galloping and it's not working. Drudge has been aggregating since the nineties. MADem Sep 2015 #132

You're still going on? pinebox Sep 2015 #134

You're still flinging right-wing Drudge as a credible news source? MADem Sep 2015 #136

Don't forget to include Ann Coulter and Red States. leftofcool Sep 2015 #64

The unscandal has gone meta...it's not just about email, it's not just about the server HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #49

When the Hillary Gang whines that her email problem is nothing nichomachus Sep 2015 #51

Non sequitur. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #58

Yes, good point. whereisjustice Sep 2015 #82

You are lying. That simple. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #54

Yea, but that ship has sailed leftofcool Sep 2015 #65

Some people think it's crap like your post that shouldn't be allowed. Jim Lane Sep 2015 #79

Bull. What lie? DNC knew that when they used Soviet style primary process to front a polarizing whereisjustice Sep 2015 #83

Can you please point me to the state or federal statute that prohibits Hillary Servers for... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #66

Marissa Johnson was protesting multiple items on your list. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #68

Fired yes, prosecuted no. Dems to Win Sep 2015 #70

Revolution is mandatory. PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #71

Yes. These are issues. delrem Sep 2015 #74

Here is the official IBM press release supporting Hillary Clinton's open email initiative whereisjustice Sep 2015 #75

Some people will read only your headline and get the impression you're serious. Jim Lane Sep 2015 #80

Soooo very weak. A link to your post? Darb Sep 2015 #99

Yup. n/t Wilms Sep 2015 #81

It is interesting that a SOS can use a personal computer but jwirr Sep 2015 #87

We're Allowed to in My State. Thankfully. lib87 Sep 2015 #95

I live in MN and we do it because of confidentiality. jwirr Sep 2015 #96

"I assure you they give a damn." zappaman Sep 2015 #119

but 'average' people aren't all pigeons for McCarthyist tactics of indictment by innuendo & implied Bill USA Sep 2015 #122

The firm I work for has fired lawyers for this Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2015 #141