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139. We're projecting back four years, not forty.

Reply to Capn Sunshine (Reply #128)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 03:57 PM

Oct 2015

Four years ago, I was filling out school forms that said parent(s) or asked for relationship to the child.

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Well... Here's The E-Mail... At Least It's Not Classified... Although I Bet She Wishes It Had Been.. [View all] WillyT Oct 2015 OP

I know that "fear is the mind killer," but to be afraid of Palin!? Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #1

C'mon, people! It was more or being afraid of what FOX would do with it . . . brush Oct 2015 #4

Well that's comforting, Hillary was just afraid of FOX. Isn't that the same "news" organization Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #9

I don't know about you but I understand that FOX has tremendous influence . . . brush Oct 2015 #44

I agree FOX does have influence with the low-info, conservative, right wing repug segment of society Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #48

Nailed it, Uncle Joe. Duppers Oct 2015 #73

Well said. I'm so done with Timidcrats who cower in perpetual fear over Zorra Oct 2015 #94

Understanding FOX's influence is not operating out of a position of fear brush Oct 2015 #113

I'm of the belief that the best defense is a good offense, by aggressively supporting LGBT rights or Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #123

We can agree to disagree brush Oct 2015 #127

People couldn't speak up against Goebbels and the Nazis or they would be killed, that's not the case Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #132

Fuck fox news and my former ass hat governor, Palin. We are talking about children roguevalley Oct 2015 #150

the reason those fuckers have influence is that no one tells them to fuck off and die roguevalley Oct 2015 #151

Pragmatism is not a family value for some Dems. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #190

Pragmatism is a vice, not a virtue, and certainly not something to be valued. Chan790 Oct 2015 #193

"or you can take the moral fight to them" - Bravo! As Bernie does. senz Oct 2015 #164

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Oct 2015 #172

No, no it is not quite valid. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2015 #79

All those FAUX-NEWS viewers will never vote Democratic anyway, John Poet Oct 2015 #169

Some independents and undecideds watch FOX and other outlets before . . . brush Oct 2015 #170

Agree with you, also... Perseus Oct 2015 #96

DU has given them ammo. I didn't know we were so powerful. Do you really believe there roguevalley Oct 2015 #152

Wrong! DU never dings her on Benghazi and the right never dings her on ... Scuba Oct 2015 #174

et al means treestar Oct 2015 #149

Yes, we said the same thing in different words brush Oct 2015 #163

"I�m not defending that decision, which I disagree w" Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #2

Being who she is, Turbineguy Oct 2015 #17

And her tiredness comes before doing what's right for a very large number of people? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #23

She prefers the terms mother and father to parent 1 and parent 2. So do I. MADem Oct 2015 #45

Why have these gender roles at all? demwing Oct 2015 #98

You've just articulated the POINT she was making.MOTHER and FATHER are the way to describe PARENTS. MADem Oct 2015 #117

she has a problem with gays. She has a problem with courage. she has no problem keeping life hard roguevalley Oct 2015 #154

And you are having a problem with facts. The LGBT community strongly supports her--in fact, MADem Oct 2015 #175

I don't disagree with you, in general, but... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #106

Just like Bernie was SO concerned about how he was perceived on economic justice issues that MADem Oct 2015 #129

living your life afraid of what might happen is fine for you and me but NOT for a president. roguevalley Oct 2015 #155

Not surprising considering her views on the "sanctity" of marriage. nt Bonobo Oct 2015 #3

Sanctity? as in honoring the vow to forsake all others? Divernan Oct 2015 #55

Hey, if you're married more than once....or had a liaison with someone outside marriage, producing MADem Oct 2015 #135

no one wants to go near her marriage because its a hornets nest for those who want to make trouble. roguevalley Oct 2015 #156

No, no, no--let's bring all those relationships back into the mix, why don't we? MADem Oct 2015 #162

I see someone went the full FOX/Palin on you. delrem Oct 2015 #194

Well, she did not have the courage to defend" that decision"..... seaotter Oct 2015 #5

It was four and a half years ago. philosslayer Oct 2015 #12

That was ONLY four and a half years ago. seaotter Oct 2015 #22

Yes, the continual excuses and rationalizations are sad and weak. frylock Oct 2015 #60

It is news. It is a fact artislife Oct 2015 #70

So she goes by "H" and doesn't like to write the word "with" snooper2 Oct 2015 #6

Admit it, you just want MOM for President! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #24

Caribou Barbie must be pissing herself with glee. bunnies Oct 2015 #7

This is the smoking gun email???? JoePhilly Oct 2015 #8

Screw a congressional committee.... seaotter Oct 2015 #10

Yes yes ... this is absolutely terrible. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #13

Because it seems to be a window into her decision making process. seaotter Oct 2015 #15

Ahhhh JoePhilly Oct 2015 #56

her words: ..." so long as we retained the PRESUMPTION of mother AND father"... seaotter Oct 2015 #59

So I can't be a father anymore? JoePhilly Oct 2015 #62

Now you are just being silly. seaotter Oct 2015 #64

If you have a mirror, you should use it. MADem Oct 2015 #140

Yes, my "bias" for a President who does not consider what Sarah Palin thinks when seaotter Oct 2015 #144

Anyone who doesn't consider how political enemies might try to gain advantage is naive. MADem Oct 2015 #145

Anyone who takes a stance determined by how the political winds are blowing seaotter Oct 2015 #148

Yeah, like dropping "white working class" from your stump speech.... MADem Oct 2015 #178

no they are demonstrating flexible ethics and cowardice. roguevalley Oct 2015 #157

You're saying Sanders should have kept pounding the WHITE WORKING CLASS drum? MADem Oct 2015 #179

Yes, why? Brainstormy Oct 2015 #21

Because when ya got nuthin' that's what ya do! MADem Oct 2015 #141

What a mess! We need leaders who do not CAVE to the extremists on the right. Hillary has promised sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #11

Why didn't Hillary get out in front of this!!! JoePhilly Oct 2015 #14

Language that is discriminatory to LGBT is just "word choices"? seaotter Oct 2015 #18

I don't know a gay parent who identifies as parent 1 or parent 2.... msanthrope Oct 2015 #32

That was not her point. seaotter Oct 2015 #33

Welcome to DU! nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #38

Agree. DURHAM D Oct 2015 #43

And BOOM goes the dynamite--this is it, exactly. MADem Oct 2015 #49

No, the BOOM is this window into her decision making process. seaotter Oct 2015 #51

Naaah, sorry. Not buying your goalpost moving. MADem Oct 2015 #67

sorry , but if you read all of my posts you would see seaotter Oct 2015 #72

So your gripe is OPTICS? And you're complaining that SHE was also concerned about OPTICS? MADem Oct 2015 #80

Are you saying that "parent 1" and "parent 2" is the right designation for passports? Demit Oct 2015 #84

What i'm saying is that this shines a light on Hillary's decision making process. seaotter Oct 2015 #109

Yes, I've read the point you've been trying to make over and over. Demit Oct 2015 #111

Your fine skills in reasoning are far beyond mine. seaotter Oct 2015 #115

But she doesn't say that "mother and mother" would be recognized. morningfog Oct 2015 #120

Why wouldn't it be? nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #153

Is that what she is suggesting? morningfog Oct 2015 #165

I think that's exactly what she's suggesting. But then again, I worked for her, and remember when msanthrope Oct 2015 #185

I can see your reading and think that makes sense. morningfog Oct 2015 #191

Thank you for that. The problem with single emails is that they are devoid of msanthrope Oct 2015 #192

Why wouldn't it be? nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #186

Parent 1 and Parent 2 is discriminatory--you have to give up your gender if you're gay? MADem Oct 2015 #46

The point: ..."so long as we retained the presumption of MOTHER AND FATHER..." seaotter Oct 2015 #50

It's not a "try." It is two words--two words that sound better than Parent 1 and Parent 2. MADem Oct 2015 #68

That is fine. That said, I am pleased with my "market share"! seaotter Oct 2015 #75

Don't tire yourself out trying to sell your "product." MADem Oct 2015 #81

Not a chance. seaotter Oct 2015 #116

But that's not what Hillary said at all. Not at all. The solution is obvious, if one is not phobic Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #119

it is her attitude toward equality that is the issue here Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #19

Her "attitude" that gay parents deserve the same Mother and Father labels as straight parents? MADem Oct 2015 #65

Let's see, 'avoid a blowup from extremists from the fringes of society' OR 'stand up for the rights sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #34

It seems that was her calculation. seaotter Oct 2015 #36

I'm confused. robbob Oct 2015 #87

Maybe it's the fear of Fox and Palin that stands out. As for the language, simply putting parents or sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #90

Looks to me her immediate reaction was being pissed that a decision was made Demit Oct 2015 #105

Was there even an outrage over this? Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #16

She was--as she has to be--alert to the possibility of an attack from the "Culture Club." MADem Oct 2015 #69

You keep avoiding the fact that we are talking about printed forms, which will then be presented to Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #124

Nonsense. This is how you handle that kind of thing, no crossouts needed. MADem Oct 2015 #134

You are spinning.. badly Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #171

No, I'm not. The Secretary of State who gave full benefits to LGBT partners years ahead of the MADem Oct 2015 #177

Now you are doing worse than spinning. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #195

The disappointment in more nothing from the email dump is frustrating, we all get it, just like the Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #20

Your candidate is AFRAID of Sarah Palin.. frylock Oct 2015 #61

You have no right to decide what should and should not bother other people. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #181

Yes... deathrind Oct 2015 #25

True. Yet she fought this one? seaotter Oct 2015 #29

That's not how I interpreted it. deathrind Oct 2015 #102

Damn, Imagine if Sanders had this much scrutiny... Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #26

The "awkwardness" had nothing to do with her objection. seaotter Oct 2015 #27

It is discriminatory against gay/trans parents to use PARENT 1 and PARENT 2. And who gets stuck MADem Oct 2015 #76

Wow, HRC must be a forward thinker, to imagine the distant day when Fox News would be winter is coming Oct 2015 #136

Keep missing the point. How many forms have you signed on the PARENT NUMBER TWO line? MADem Oct 2015 #158

I haven't moved any goalposts. You're the one who seems eager to direct conversation away winter is coming Oct 2015 #168

Like Bernie was worried about how "white working class" sounded. MADem Oct 2015 #180

And once again, you sidestep what Hillary did in a clumsy attempt to bait others. winter is coming Oct 2015 #182

Wow, that was a lousy effort on your part--buzzword rich, though--BAIT? MADem Oct 2015 #183

Why would I care if he was under this much scrutiny? TM99 Oct 2015 #92

"I could live w letting people in nontraditional families choose another descriptor" Demit Oct 2015 #28

In other words, "a descriptor of THEIR choosing," not one foisted on them by the State Department. MADem Oct 2015 #86

I know, right? Creates some sort of weird unnecessary hierarchy. Demit Oct 2015 #100

It's totally "separate but equal" too, when you get down to it. MADem Oct 2015 #107

So much ado about nothing mcar Oct 2015 #130

Clutching and grasping....and totally missing the point, too! MADem Oct 2015 #138

She's correct....parent 1 and parent 2 is stupid. Allow everyone to msanthrope Oct 2015 #30

Again, that was not her point. seaotter Oct 2015 #35

Again, welcome to DU! nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #41

Zzzzzzzzzzzz zappaman Oct 2015 #31

She likes AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #42

Peppers and onions... MADem Oct 2015 #88

yuck! zappaman Oct 2015 #97

Ha ha ha!! MADem Oct 2015 #184

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #37

nice catch on the misogynistic language. nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #40

Can't have a president who walks on eggshells AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #39

Hillary Clinton unfiltered - very telling. Broward Oct 2015 #47

Chicken of Fox Nooz and a word-salad dimwit. Yeah, that's who I want as President. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #52

Birth certificates are meant to be a legal document describing the birth of a child me b zola Oct 2015 #53

Just more Hill baggage... SoapBox Oct 2015 #54

Here's a link to original AP story. "mother or parent 1" and "father or parent 2" sounds OK to me: Metric System Oct 2015 #57

This article also points to her fear of FOX as the prominent factor in her decision. seaotter Oct 2015 #63

"Mother or Parent 1" and "Father or Parent 2" was a good compromise to avoid a funding battle: Metric System Oct 2015 #66

Thank you. Some posters are so intent on making this about Clinton's "fear" Demit Oct 2015 #121

Guess that doesn't qualify as a "profile in courage." Vinca Oct 2015 #58

Yep, good point. Duppers Oct 2015 #78

Jan, 8, 2011, wow, amazing how Mrs. Clinton was engaged with everything going on in our Gov. Sunlei Oct 2015 #71

I don't see the problem. corkhead Oct 2015 #74

What I don't get is what is so hard to defend here? karynnj Oct 2015 #77

She's right. greymattermom Oct 2015 #82

First off, this is not about spousal identification but parental. Second, if the parental terms Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #114

Fumed??? George II Oct 2015 #83

obviously an editorial comment RussBLib Oct 2015 #85

I think everyone is missing the point here AmericanHare Oct 2015 #89

Hillary was correct to object. "Parent 1" and "Parent 2" is silly and demeaning. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #91

But AmericanHare Oct 2015 #95

What are you talking about? "Sport"? You mean "spot"? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #101

yes AmericanHare Oct 2015 #103

It is you who is not getting it. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #104

um AmericanHare Oct 2015 #108

I've yet to see an answer to your question Oilwellian Oct 2015 #173

"I could live w/ letting people in nontraditional families choose another descriptor" demwing Oct 2015 #93

Traditional families are ones that don't sign birthday cards w/ "Parent 1" or "Parent 2" Demit Oct 2015 #110

So someone on their 3rd marriage is traditional? demwing Oct 2015 #112

If someone is "Mom" or "Dad" via a first marriage, they retain the title Demit Oct 2015 #126

And when someone is Dad and Dad? frylock Oct 2015 #146

I don't know. I don't know which Dad would put their name under Parent 2, either. Demit Oct 2015 #159

They could work that out amongst themselves.. frylock Oct 2015 #160

Parent one and parent two is an awful idea Onlooker Oct 2015 #99

They ended up going with "Mother or Parent 1" and "Father or Parent 2," according to the original AP Metric System Oct 2015 #125

No one on this thread wants to hear your logical point Capn Sunshine Oct 2015 #128

We're projecting back four years, not forty. winter is coming Oct 2015 #139

Yes, and the landscape was vastly different then Capn Sunshine Oct 2015 #142

No, I don't. Four years ago, gender-neutral forms were already in place in some winter is coming Oct 2015 #143

Did she propose using mother and mother or father and father? frylock Oct 2015 #147

The unvarnished truth: Political expediency trumps principled consistency in Hillaryworld. <nt> AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #118

Indeed. seaotter Oct 2015 #122

Always. Then, now, and forever. n/t senz Oct 2015 #167

What Will Palin Think? mhatrw Oct 2015 #131

I wonder what else is percolating out there. Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #133

NEW BUMPERSTICKER: 99Forever Oct 2015 #137

Often and repeatedly. hifiguy Oct 2015 #189

"I could live with..." Hell Hath No Fury Oct 2015 #161

So everyone continues to argue me b zola Oct 2015 #166

If the core of her fear is right wing media criticism.... AZ Mike Oct 2015 #176

The e-mail disappoints me but these few words are a window to her soul. unapatriciated Oct 2015 #187

Oy. And she wants to "lead?" hifiguy Oct 2015 #188