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beam me up scottie

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2. Both Obama and Hillary are pro-2A as well.

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 12:20 AM

Oct 2015

Bernie is pro-gun control and is speaking out about the issue.

DUers should be attacking the Republicans who refuse to allow us to pass legislation to address the gun problem, not blaming Bernie.

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Bernie and Guns [View all] Fawke Em Oct 2015 OP

Bernie needs to come out say his vote against the Brady Bill was a mistake. Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #1

Why? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #3

it wasn't a mistake ibegurpard Oct 2015 #6

Like abortion. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #12

Wrong. Gun manufacturers could make guns safer moobu2 Oct 2015 #42

Correct Fearless Oct 2015 #62

Cigarette companies were sued for a legal product mythology Oct 2015 #91

It wasn't a mistake..........If you want to make guns illegal, do it virtualobserver Oct 2015 #9

Umm... if the lawsuits would be thrown out of court, there would be no need for the law. DanTex Oct 2015 #11

as I said, it is an ass-backward approach.....if you want to ban guns, do it virtualobserver Oct 2015 #17

Can you explain to me the exact process by which a suit against a third party would lessen shootings Scootaloo Oct 2015 #19

Tobacco companies, after enough lawsuits, began to support heavy restriction of sale to minors. And msanthrope Oct 2015 #20

Easy enough to verify if someone is of majority age or not. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #21

Waiting periods and extensive background checks....that would help, no? msanthrope Oct 2015 #22

What control do manufacturers have over who dealers sell to, currently? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #23

gun manufacturers have the same rights other corporations do. msanthrope Oct 2015 #37

We had the techonolgy then and we certainly do now. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #13

Part of the reason for a 5 day waiting period was for a cooling off period. -none Oct 2015 #83

Bernie is totally wrong on guns. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #73

How is his pro-gun control stance wrong? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #79

Both Obama and Hillary are pro-2A as well. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #2

DUers should be smart enough to know that it's not just about guns. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #5

Is Europe and Japan free of mentally ill people? dsc Oct 2015 #38

They also have single-payer. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #77

actually neither France nor Switzerland dsc Oct 2015 #92

I'm a handgun owner ibegurpard Oct 2015 #4

Thank you. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #7

That's right! ibegurpard Oct 2015 #10

I could go tomorrow and apply for a permit. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #15

....x10+ 840high Oct 2015 #8

You own a handgun? Why doesn't that surprise me? nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #45

your opinion is of no consequence to me ibegurpard Oct 2015 #52

We've had this argument before Hydra Oct 2015 #14

The First Amendment, which I like even more. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #16

I'm a big fan of the First Amendment too Hydra Oct 2015 #41

no, it's the guns--it ain't lawn furniture MisterP Oct 2015 #18

Please explain how one can do a mass killing with a knife, or any other weaponry DebJ Oct 2015 #26

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #27

Yeah, I've had that one quoted to me before. That ONE. DebJ Oct 2015 #28

The Osaka school massacre beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #29

It is simply logic, common sense, physics, that we would not have the proliferation of mass killings DebJ Oct 2015 #30

Disingenuous/straw man. I never said any of those things. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #32

Scottie I'm not arguing with you or your points. Whoopdee doo it's happened a handful of times. DebJ Oct 2015 #33

You were arguing that mass killings don't happen without guns or bombs. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #34

You are funny Scotty. Like I said, people also have died in other bizarre and unusual circumstances DebJ Oct 2015 #35

You are the one who claimed mass murderers couldn't use knives. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #55

Poison, although I suspect bombs would be the next answer most of these people would pick Hydra Oct 2015 #43

We do need more mental health counseling, but more than anything we need anger management JDPriestly Oct 2015 #24

First we need to teach about 1/3 of our population that compromise is a necessity in society. DebJ Oct 2015 #31

I would put it this way: we need to teach people to share. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #51

Everything I needed to know in life, I learned in kindergarden. n/t DebJ Oct 2015 #63

Yes. I note that the European countries that have lower rates of massacres and higher JDPriestly Oct 2015 #64

Whatever happened to talk of banning handguns? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #25

a ban violates the second amendment nt alp227 Oct 2015 #36

You mean the gun lobby's interpretation of the 2nd.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #46

No. The Supreme Court's interpretation. Read Heller. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #53

So you're siding with the conservatives? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #56

No. Pointing out an obvious reason why you can't ban hand guns. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #57

Because of rulings by Conservatives.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #58

Really? Happens all the time? hack89 Oct 2015 #59

Dred Scott for a start. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #60

Which was succeeded by the 14A and not another Supreme Court decision. hack89 Oct 2015 #61

Brown vs Board of Education. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #65

Are you noticing the trend here? hack89 Oct 2015 #66

The trend is reversing conservative wins.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #67

Repukes have been saying the same about Roe v Wade forever hack89 Oct 2015 #68

Because they don't REALLY want to outlaw abortion... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #69

Yet you are so sure liberals want to ban guns?. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #70

Not ALL guns. My point is we've retreated into futility..... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #71

Heller does not prevent that at all hack89 Oct 2015 #72

Wrong. There's massive public support.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #74

For things like UBCs hack89 Oct 2015 #75

We could get more. The public is NOT on the side of the NRA. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #76

True hack89 Oct 2015 #81

I used to live out beyond the phone and electric lines.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #82

Until someone explains how registration will reduce gun deaths hack89 Oct 2015 #84

Then I guess having ballistics linked to serial numbers would freak you out too. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #85

Been tried and failed hack89 Oct 2015 #86

That's where you take it in for inspection, updated ballistics and reregistration.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #88

Have you looked at the compliance rate for registration hack89 Oct 2015 #89

How will that reduce gun deaths? hack89 Oct 2015 #87

Such a ban is off the table until Heller is repealed. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #40

The dissenting opinions on that had the Right screaming, "gun grab". Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #47

The right is not known for their intelligence. nt hack89 Oct 2015 #48

They're known for their tantrums. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #50

Lost cause. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #90

The gun issue pinebox Oct 2015 #39

I imagine Bernie's actions just after the shooting was well planed. moobu2 Oct 2015 #44

Mental health isn't a factor? Really? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #78

Does Hillary believe that mental health isn't a factor? How about Obama? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #80

Just one quibble, not this 'board' just the same few who post anti Bernie OPs repeatedly but so sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #49

That is what I heard him say also. jwirr Oct 2015 #54