2016 Postmortem

Vattel

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92. Sometimes you should just admit you are wrong and move on.

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 06:22 AM

Oct 2015

Beam said that anyone who calls Sanders a "gun nut" is delusional or a complete moron. She also posted evidence that Sanders is not a gun nut.

You replied, "Rachel Maddow, delusional, complete moron . . .?"

Unfortunately, Maddow didn't call Sanders a gun nut, nor did she imply that Sanders is a gun nut. So your reply failed to show that Beam was committed to calling Maddow delusional or a complete moron. Naturally, Beam pointed this out to you.

Then you made many desperate attempts to avoid admitting your error. You pointed out, for example, that Maddow quoted from the gun nut article. The problem with that reply is that Maddow's quoting from the article doesn't mean that she thinks Sanders is a gun nut. The article does contain some facts about Sanders' record on guns. So I might quote from it too, but I don't think Sanders is a gun nut.

I think Sanders is a moderate on gun control issues. His record bears that out. That puts him to the right of me on the issue and so I wish he would move further to the left. But only someone who is delusional or a complete moron would call him a gun nut.

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From Slate.com - "Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut" [View all] George II Oct 2015 OP

And the Slate article would be incorrect. Left Ear Oct 2015 #1

The Slate article IS correct, and the rest of your post is irrelevant to the subject at hand! George II Oct 2015 #5

I'm a little dismayed Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #2

Oh, it's made the rounds before--the push-back and whinging was extreme. MADem Oct 2015 #54

As opposed to the thousands Hill's vote on Iraq killed. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #97

Who voted to fund that war, every year, faithfully? Your candidate. MADem Oct 2015 #100

As he's repeatedly stated, he voted to fund it because he didn't want Fawke Em Oct 2015 #106

He's allowed to have a "but" or a "because"--but no one else is. OK. Sure. MADem Oct 2015 #108

Well played! Kudos for living up to your user name! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #61

Bernie on the issues Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #3

Anyone who calls Bernie a gun nut is either delusional or a complete moron. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #4

Read the article. Remember, the NRA endorsed Sanders when he first ran for Congress in 1990! George II Oct 2015 #9

I read it the first time and all five times it was posted here, George, keep up. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10

But he repeatedly voted for easy access to guns AND legal protection for gun manufacturers. George II Oct 2015 #15

Obama talked about the difference between urban and rural gun use after Sandy Hook: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #22

Yea, Vermont is the good state so let's do sue gun manufacturers. leftofcool Oct 2015 #85

What does that word salad mean? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #89

Rachel Maddow, delusional, complete moron...? MADem Oct 2015 #63

If she called him a gun nut, then yes. Didn't you read my post? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #64

Oh, I see. They can call him "not a liberal" or a "conservative" MADem Oct 2015 #68

. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #69

Rachel Maddow QUOTED from the "gun nut" essay, but since she didn't say those two words, it doesn't MADem Oct 2015 #72

Fallacies, fallacies everywhere... beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #74

No, I didn't--you were the one who opened up Pandora's Box with your 'moronic and delusional' MADem Oct 2015 #75

Except Rachel didn't call Bernie a "gun nut", did she? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77

Nooooooooooo!!!!!! She only QUOTED EXTENSIVELY from the GUN NUT ESSAY!!!!!!!! MADem Oct 2015 #78

So you were wrong when you said this: "Rachel Maddow, delusional, complete moron...?" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #79

No, I wasn't--she linked to the GUN NUT ESSAY. Poor you--trying SO hard to parse!! MADem Oct 2015 #80

SO much HYPERBOLE and CAPITALIZATION and DESPERATION in those posts! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #81

Ooooooh, yeah....and you said Good Night, but you just can't leave me be, can ya? MADem Oct 2015 #84

Sometimes you should just admit you are wrong and move on. Vattel Oct 2015 #92

Rachel LINKED to -- and quoted from -- the "GUN NUT" essay. Are you saying that she wasn't MADem Oct 2015 #99

Quoting from an article and linking to it does not imply that you agree with everything in it, Vattel Oct 2015 #103

Of course he does, but he will twist and spin and deflect for days in order to PROVE he's not wrong. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #107

Look over here!! I mean "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" MADem Oct 2015 #109

I agree. nt LWolf Oct 2015 #94

... or a disingenuous hyperpartisan who will say whatever they think it takes to win. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #101

As well as dishonest and exploitative to blame Bernie for this tragedy. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #102

The Clinton Camp has very little to work with in attacking Bernie. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #105

Don't question Bernie's votes, only Hillary's emails and spam folder. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #6

For the thread win! Ha ha ha! nt MADem Oct 2015 #73

Thread winner! leftofcool Oct 2015 #86

I am not a gun owner Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #7

PLCAA is not pro-gun ibegurpard Oct 2015 #8

You're completely wrong. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #12

You are wrong TeddyR Oct 2015 #13

This wasn't just about manufacturers, it was about gun shops as well. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #18

Gun shops can be sued if they break the law too. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #50

yup ibegurpard Oct 2015 #55

It's a dumb analogy. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #56

correct ibegurpard Oct 2015 #20

Wrong analogy. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #14

You need to read the PLCAA. You're using Wayne LaPierre talking points here. George II Oct 2015 #19

No, I'm using that poster's "logic". Gun manufacturers can be sued for defective products. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24

What is "Camp Weathervane"? I read the legislation that Sanders voted for, it supports gun mfrs. George II Oct 2015 #40

"Why are you sticking up for gun manufacturers?" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44

A tragedy that was enabled, in part, to "your candidate". Thank you. George II Oct 2015 #57

Bernie voted for gun control. What has your candidate done to solve the problem, George? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #60

I have ibegurpard Oct 2015 #27

And what talking point would that be? Left Ear Oct 2015 #35

It's not an analogy. Its the law. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #25

You can sue gun manufacturers if they break the law or make a defective product beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #31

And that's it. They got nearly complete immunity against all civil lawsuits. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #36

They're not immune if they break the law. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37

Yet, like the example I gave; a victims family of a drunk driver BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #41

Using your "logic" the victims would sue the manufacturer of the car used in the accident. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #47

your analogy is poor ibegurpard Oct 2015 #53

Gun manufacturers don't directly sell guns to the public hack89 Oct 2015 #96

Correct, and the "law" that covers them was voted for by Sen. Sandes. George II Oct 2015 #45

They can't sue them for making a legal product that's used illegally. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #49

It's better than the cigarette and gun manufactuers lawsuits analogy that was used earlier Autumn Oct 2015 #38

nope ibegurpard Oct 2015 #16

Yes, but that's it, only defective guns. Nothing else. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #29

They manufacture guns and sell it to FFL dealers only. Left Ear Oct 2015 #42

I linked the exceptions upthread ibegurpard Oct 2015 #46

You're right, because the law that protected them was enacted, thanks in part to Sen. Sanders. George II Oct 2015 #48

the law is a good one ibegurpard Oct 2015 #58

They can also be sued for breaking the law. hack89 Oct 2015 #98

It's is absolutely pro-gun. We already had enough anti-SLAPP protections for the gun industry.... msanthrope Oct 2015 #83

Seems like an opportune time for this to pop up TeddyR Oct 2015 #11

Clinton Becomes A Gun Lover beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #17

What does that have to do with this topic or this morning's slaughter? George II Oct 2015 #28

Isn't Hillary pro-2A as well? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #32

Repeat: What does that have to do with this topic or this morning's slaughter? George II Oct 2015 #51

What does reposting an old article have to do with it? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #23

says the guy who posted this OP? neverforget Oct 2015 #30

Since you're reposting an old article, yes. You should be ashamed of yourself. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #33

And your OP? Autumn Oct 2015 #43

What do you expect? That they would attack the pro-NRA Republicans? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #59

It's disgusting to politicize this but it's par for the course anymore. Autumn Oct 2015 #65

This was probably coordinated elsewhere and DU is disgusted with that site too. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #21

ANY time there is a mass shooting this is appropriate. Period. George II Oct 2015 #26

It's just par for the course Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #34

He was, it's been posted here FIVE times. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #39

Hillary's emails have been posted over 100. leftofcool Oct 2015 #87

The same one was posted 100 times? Wow! Got proof of that? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #90

the OP is appropriate ibegurpard Oct 2015 #95

Why no gun violence position on his website? Sparkly Oct 2015 #62

I just knew somebody was going to post this about Bernie after the shooting! nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #67

For those who read this Slate screed, PLCAA DOES allow suits against the gun industry aikoaiko Oct 2015 #70

They know ibegurpard Oct 2015 #71

Tell that to the Sandy Hook parents. leftofcool Oct 2015 #88

There lawsuit appears to have been a stunt promoted by the Brady Campaign. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #93

Get a life. jkbRN Oct 2015 #76

It must be tiresome AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #82

I think that voting for war, advocating a "more muscular" foreign policy, and refusing to limit/stop djean111 Oct 2015 #91

umpqua enid602 Oct 2015 #104

On the heels of Charleston, too. This is a national problem. nt MADem Oct 2015 #110