2016 Postmortem

MannyGoldstein

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141. It's only a matter of time...

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:48 AM

Oct 2015

Certain folks can froth that Bernie and his Bernie Supporters are white supremacists and whatnot, but people eventually figure out what's true and what's false. All the more so because Bernie speaks the Truth, plainly, clearly, and forcefully.

Thanks for this good news!

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Hillary Clinton�s support among Blacks plunges in a new poll [View all] Catherina Oct 2015 OP

"One poll. Large margin of error." That's all that needs to be said, for now at least. Metric System Oct 2015 #1

and..."if it turns out to be predictive, it could significantly shift the Democratic contest" George II Oct 2015 #32

So few people were actually polled, it's laughable that someone even wrote an article based on this Metric System Oct 2015 #34

And you won't hear this reported: George II Oct 2015 #42

Honestly, I've never seen the media influence a primary like this one. Metric System Oct 2015 #67

I actually don't think they've influenced it all that much, but they sure have TRIED to do so. George II Oct 2015 #94

Not in 2000? demwing Oct 2015 #96

Yeah, after I posted I questioned myself. We've seen similar behavior before. It just feels like Metric System Oct 2015 #97

I felt that way about Dean demwing Oct 2015 #106

You're using poll data to discredit the use of poll data? Fearless Oct 2015 #163

Only 1000! LOL 6chars Oct 2015 #65

The concept of random sampling may not be intuitive, but it can be interesting senz Oct 2015 #114

Thanks for the great link 6chars Oct 2015 #122

Glad you like it. senz Oct 2015 #125

that's about the same size as most of the polls being watched... magical thyme Oct 2015 #147

Bernie never had a problem with AAs but it was interesting watching White people here tell them what sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #79

thank GAWD for Corey Booker for telling the truth JI7 Oct 2015 #87

Yes, thank the gods for anyone who tells the truth, and when they don't, say so. Did you have a sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #93

I was sad to see AAs influenced by the toxicity in certain parts around here -- senz Oct 2015 #123

Well, from what I see, very few AAs have been influenced by that smear campaign. And few appreciate sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #134

+1000000000 Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #140

If we were to believe this poll Bernie is in trouble as well Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #155

LOL! Now, using "if" in a discussion about future events is wrong? OMG. merrily Oct 2015 #142

I read it from my feed from The Root on FB artislife Oct 2015 #107

I love the desperation! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #160

I could see that trend just on social media. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #2

Same here. Snowballing too. Delightfully so n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #7

Yes, I noticed it also, but then I never bought the smear campaign, considering where it started. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #98

This is why I don't want Bernie-haters to change a single thing in their approach Catherina Oct 2015 #131

I know, they don't understand that smear campaigns that used to work in the past, mainly sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #148

If anything, I'd like them to pump up the volume Catherina Oct 2015 #150

That has already started, the anti-semitic attacks. By two of Hillary's surrogates. But you're right sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #153

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #3

As facts are gathered, intelligent people adapt, and rearrange accordingly. nt Zorra Oct 2015 #4

Yep - it's the small-scale version of the scientific method. hifiguy Oct 2015 #78

its the blueprint of concious existence reddread Oct 2015 #83

Hardly. hifiguy Oct 2015 #85

faith takes many forms reddread Oct 2015 #91

BIG Kick and Rec. - This is incredibly awesomely stellar. Thanks for this OP 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #5

The better people know about Sanders, the more his numbers rise. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #6

Yep. It's as simple as that. Latinos too. azmom Oct 2015 #66

Yes, there are a lot of Latino groups for Bernie, too nt artislife Oct 2015 #109

Sounds like the word is getting out! arcane1 Oct 2015 #8

That was the only 'problem' he ever had with minorities, AND whites too btw, no one knew who he was. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #136

Can't hold back the trend; it was just a matter of time. k&r <nt> AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #9

hear, hear, atomickitten. by the way, my girl Queen could take your name she's roguevalley Oct 2015 #17

ahhhh new baby in the house! AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #22

8.5 margin of error JI7 Oct 2015 #10

So give the entire "margin of error" to Hillary... John Poet Oct 2015 #47

Nooo, 9% moe isn't even worth reporting... very skewed, this is bad journalism uponit7771 Oct 2015 #52

A 9% drop in a Presidential poll is not worth reporting? Where is that written? merrily Oct 2015 #143

A 9% moe, it's very unreliable uponit7771 Oct 2015 #161

So, it's written nowhere; the margin of error was already factored out--and all in Hillary's favor; merrily Oct 2015 #166

The professional leftists are at it again. Dawson Leery Oct 2015 #77

True Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #156

Yep, big MoE...but it is useful in one respect... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #152

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #11

It's all about the trend. 99Forever Oct 2015 #12

What happened to the meme aspirant Oct 2015 #13

It's one poll with a large MOE. I think both sides need to chill. Metric System Oct 2015 #14

"Large Margin of Error" Aerows Oct 2015 #99

Are you arguing that a large MOE isn't something to take into consideration? Metric System Oct 2015 #101

Standard deviation is also something to take into consideration. Aerows Oct 2015 #102

Those attempting to smear Sanders whose record on Civil Rights is exemplary, with race baiting sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #158

Oh you mean that *selfless*, *helpful* advice from that other camp Catherina Oct 2015 #15

+1 Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #41

But there's one white guy in the pic! d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #70

That is priceless. hifiguy Oct 2015 #88

It was bound to happen. xynthee Oct 2015 #16

NO, it's not surprising to anyone paying attention Demeter Oct 2015 #18

Oh yeah. Not at all surprising. Straight from Netaaaa's mouth today Catherina Oct 2015 #44

A total of 98 were polled. Godhumor Oct 2015 #19

so more picked Biden than Sanders ? JI7 Oct 2015 #23

Famous name vs. newcomer senz Oct 2015 #38

Bernies been around for 30 years and the polls get skewed with such small sampling and large MOE uponit7771 Oct 2015 #56

Quietly working for his constituents, not seeking power, fame, and money. senz Oct 2015 #62

I don't know the senators from Rhode Island artislife Oct 2015 #121

More people were UNDECIDED than picked Sanders. But lets all celebrate anyway!!! Number23 Oct 2015 #84

Here too, include Biden to dilute Hillary's numbers upaloopa Oct 2015 #27

Yeah, Hillary's getting worried about Biden, isn't she? senz Oct 2015 #37

Who knows? Some reporter writes that and upaloopa Oct 2015 #48

Yeah, "news" is so pass�, nobody reads it anymore... senz Oct 2015 #57

It's not news you know that upaloopa Oct 2015 #86

It's not an opinion piece: it's news. A report on current events. Reputable source. senz Oct 2015 #108

It's politically motivated to hurt upaloopa Oct 2015 #116

I don't think that's clear from anything in the report. senz Oct 2015 #118

Hell, the republicans are at least honest enough to say they're out to get her on TV the media uponit7771 Oct 2015 #55

Hillary is losing on the ISSUES and her record on the ISSUES, period. You can call Democrats 'right sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #89

This is not true given the facts of the last couple of days, her poll numbers are excellent seeing.. uponit7771 Oct 2015 #111

She has steadily trended downwards and she is losing key demographics, women eg. I'm talking about sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #115

You're going to have to source the Utah and WV claims Godhumor Oct 2015 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author jfern Oct 2015 #137

HA! Metric System Oct 2015 #29

So will you be laughing when he enters the race? senz Oct 2015 #40

Huh? My laughter has nothing to do with Biden! It's about so few people being polled. Metric System Oct 2015 #53

wow!!! WTF!?!! they need 10 times that much for a reasonable sample. This is bad journalism uponit7771 Oct 2015 #54

But as this thread proves, there are certain folks willing to eat this tripe up with a knife and Number23 Oct 2015 #81

Yeap, and this poll is with Biden in which would split black votes uponit7771 Oct 2015 #113

Yep. It's an interesting poll but even the article took great pains to note the margin of error Number23 Oct 2015 #124

But I first saw this poll on FB artislife Oct 2015 #112

k/r 840high Oct 2015 #20

Thanks 1norcal Oct 2015 #21

Uh Huh, ok, right, got it. Darb Oct 2015 #24

Every time she appears in public her poll numbers drop for some reason. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #25

Or it's, you know, the large MOE. Metric System Oct 2015 #31

You know that MOE is plus or minus don't you? It could also very well be worse for Hillary. A Simple Game Oct 2015 #82

I guess we'll know if other polls show similar results. Metric System Oct 2015 #92

Yup, just like after the first poll showed Bernie ahead in New Hampshire. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #104

But what about... AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #135

Geez.... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #26

But, again, the inclusion of Biden undermines the viability... blackspade Oct 2015 #28

So glad to hear this! Good news for Blacks and all who are not in the 1%. senz Oct 2015 #30

even if this poll was accurate it shows that Biden is gaining black voters JI7 Oct 2015 #33

If Bernie keeps making himself known and visible nyabingi Oct 2015 #35

Funny thing is I got the news from a Hillary Clinton news feed lol Catherina Oct 2015 #45

Looks like Biden is the real winner WI_DEM Oct 2015 #36

It's a crappy poll from a crappy polling organization. Go beyond the spoon-fed media bits... George II Oct 2015 #39

Chaffetz-quality graphs? "Plunging" wants it's definition back! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #43

Wile This Is A Very, Very Early & Low Count ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #46

bad poll, margin of error too large, questions slanted.. ibegurpard Oct 2015 #49

98 people were polled, that's not even a reportable sample and the MOE was 9%... this is not only a uponit7771 Oct 2015 #60

OK ibegurpard Oct 2015 #63

Hah! +1000 n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #75

Why report a poll with 8.5 moe !?!?!? What was the point? tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #50

Wait a minute here.... INdemo Oct 2015 #51

98 people polled, small AA sample and a 9% moe, this poll isn't even worth reporting. It's bad ... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #59

The "journalist" didn't want to let facts get in the way of his story. Metric System Oct 2015 #61

The AA sample was the 98 people, the 9%MOE is for the AA estimate 6chars Oct 2015 #71

I questioned a poll with only 229 samplings INdemo Oct 2015 #139

Cause there are enough polls with 4 times that much sampling saying the same thing. If there were uponit7771 Oct 2015 #162

Here's how it goes... Fearless Oct 2015 #165

Nate Silvers, lol. He's being paid not to change his tune until forced to Catherina Oct 2015 #73

All races are figuring out who represents the people Android3.14 Oct 2015 #58

Native Americans are also trending to Sanders Mabus Oct 2015 #64

that can't be true! ibegurpard Oct 2015 #69

No Mabus Oct 2015 #76

It's a great sign. People are done with establishment politics Catherina Oct 2015 #74

True dat Mabus Oct 2015 #80

That is the one and only obvious thing to be taken away from this hifiguy Oct 2015 #95

Status quo oozes from every pore of her being. azmom Oct 2015 #100

Just wait until the rest of the shoes drop later this October... Obama related ones tomm2thumbs Oct 2015 #68

It's just the tip of the Sanderstorm. SoapBox Oct 2015 #72

The future's so bright! Catherina Oct 2015 #130

The sample size of Black Dems polled puts the MoE north of 10% Persondem Oct 2015 #90

I don't need polls, I've been on minority blogs for years, and following the Ferguson protesters sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #117

Your experience informs your reality, as it should be. But using a poll of 100 Persondem Oct 2015 #120

Valid poll. Suffolk U. & USA Today. Nothing wrong with the methodology. senz Oct 2015 #103

This poll does not appear, to me, to distinguish between black and white voters. Baltimore18 Oct 2015 #105

You're looking at the questionaire. senz Oct 2015 #110

I see it now. Thanks for your help. Baltimore18 Oct 2015 #119

No problem. senz Oct 2015 #126

African Americans have been very adamant about how the candidates can't take them for granted Scootaloo Oct 2015 #128

Oh yeah. "sadly for her, we ARE smart enough to figure out Bernie Sanders is better" Catherina Oct 2015 #129

:) My FB friend Vcubed telling it like it is. nt nc4bo Oct 2015 #132

She's awesome. I have much admiration for her n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #133

k&r n/t Nedsdag Oct 2015 #149

I can't wait til the debates start AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #138

It's only a matter of time... MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #141

The ugly Clinton lies about Bernie will not stand, and will back-fire 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #146

You're welcome Manny Catherina Oct 2015 #151

There's a saying among statisticians NuclearDem Oct 2015 #144

Recommend! KoKo Oct 2015 #145

The poll is garbage Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #154

K&R NealK Oct 2015 #157

Anyone relying on this poll for trend analysis should note this parenthetical: OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #159

This is good info.... thx uponit7771 Oct 2015 #164