2016 Postmortem

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105. Rightist Democrats certainly bear a share of the blame, including those who

Sat Oct 3, 2015, 03:20 PM

Oct 2015

helped found the DLC for the promise of a Presidency, like the Clintons, and including Hillary, who, with Al From, took the DLC gospel to Europe and hooked in, at a minimum, Tony Blair.

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It's not complicated: if you like how the US is doing these days, you should back Hillary [View all] MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 OP

A Vote For HRC Is A Vote For Establishment DLC Third Way Politics And Policies - That Is No Chnage cantbeserious Oct 2015 #1

A vote for HRC is a vote to CONTINUE the direction the Democratic Party Hortensis Oct 2015 #201

A Vote For HRC Is A Vote For Establishment DLC Third Way Politics And Policies - That Is No Chnage cantbeserious Oct 2015 #206

Manny, it's not complicated: some people actually benefit from the status quo. nt antigop Oct 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #14

A classic image to support your salient point FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #17

It didn't convince anyone in 1911, what.... PosterChild Oct 2015 #142

Very sad isn't it? mdbl Oct 2015 #181

What is sad . ... PosterChild Oct 2015 #194

Depends on what you are talking about. mdbl Oct 2015 #200

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not merrily Oct 2015 #45

and they pay sock puppets to make their numbers look larger yurbud Oct 2015 #69

And even more think they do even when it is actually hurting them. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #70

"But if you think, like most Americans, it's been a disaster"... SidDithers Oct 2015 #3

Seems that way MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #9

Only to Republicans, Manny ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #158

So you're claiming that 69% of Americans are Republicans? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #160

Not sure if your obtuseness is deliberate ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #166

Deep breath now. Ok, what specific question did Mr. Dithers ask? nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #167

His name is "Obama" not "Dithers". Is there some lithium you forgot to take? NT ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #197

WTF? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #198

More or less what I could have also responded to your last post ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #199

Some do, sone don't. I'd say it's mixed Armstead Oct 2015 #12

Most of us on the bottom have not been the recipient of jwirr Oct 2015 #40

Well Sid ibegurpard Oct 2015 #57

CAD. dirty oil enid602 Oct 2015 #130

What would you expect from a guy who voted Reagan? zappaman Oct 2015 #74

Well, there's that. Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #78

Yep Andy823 Oct 2015 #81

Hey, at least *I* abandoned those ideals 30+ years ago MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #82

You also thought the 2008 election should have gone the other way, so your math is off! zappaman Oct 2015 #84

I guess reading what's written isn't your thing? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #91

I can read fine. zappaman Oct 2015 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Oct 2015 #87

Thank you. And apparently also thinks regularly shitting on the first black president Number23 Oct 2015 #143

It's the daily fact free rant GitRDun Oct 2015 #80

UNfortunately, he's correct Armstead Oct 2015 #110

I can't go with you on this stuff. GitRDun Oct 2015 #122

I can't go with you because.... Armstead Oct 2015 #133

Yeah yeah all bad GitRDun Oct 2015 #148

Never said Clintons were ALL bad nor that Sanders is perfect Armstead Oct 2015 #162

16,000,000 American children living in poverty ain't too happy, as well as about 32 million rhett o rick Oct 2015 #134

But,but,but... Armstead Oct 2015 #136

Shhhhhh. Everything is FINE. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #172

16 million hungry children is not important to those who want to continue the, for them, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #183

Do you live here? Got a job here? Talk to the average family here on a regular basis? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #170

The status quo has got to go. azmom Oct 2015 #4

I dont ibegurpard Oct 2015 #5

I'll take Paul Lynde for the block. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #6

I'll take Pat Paulsen Mnpaul Oct 2015 #46

Pat. :>))) +1000 pangaia Oct 2015 #61

Oh how I loved him!! haikugal Oct 2015 #68

great retro reference!! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #48

right now is when we need to fight for who we believe in corkhead Oct 2015 #7

Hey I like your sig line! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11

I saw yours about the same time I added that. corkhead Oct 2015 #16

Right? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18

Where I live, they are identical. America is not the only country in the world. DFW Oct 2015 #36

Nay, nay! They also have the SPD, sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #79

Of course we have the SPD (and Greens), and you are quite right--Bernie IS a social democrat DFW Oct 2015 #88

Exactly what Bernie Supporters do today! MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #96

Well, not the ones I know DFW Oct 2015 #101

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #145

HRC is the status quo especially if you wish her to lean right of Obama aikoaiko Oct 2015 #8

Kick to the heavens! marym625 Oct 2015 #10

Were Hillary to win the nomination, vote for her. She'd be the better republican, hands down! cpompilo Oct 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Oct 2015 #25

The Conservative Democrats didn't learn a thing by their loss in 2000. YOU CAN'T FORCE THOSE ON rhett o rick Oct 2015 #157

And if you want to go back to the GOP in the White House, you should vote for Bernie. DanTex Oct 2015 #15

thanks for the suggestion. corkhead Oct 2015 #20

No kidding! leftofcool Oct 2015 #26

Another Clinton supporter declaring their vote for the Republicans Scootaloo Oct 2015 #27

Huh? I'm voting for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is. DanTex Oct 2015 #29

You just asserted it was guaranteed. And probably did so with a smile on your face. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #30

I've told you many times, I like Bernie. Don't agree with him on everything, for example, that DanTex Oct 2015 #31

Yes, you've told me that many times. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #33

+1 Not at all shabby, Scootaloo. merrily Oct 2015 #109

^^^THIS ^ THIS ^ THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #120

That's because it's true. DanTex Oct 2015 #123

You've just shown how disingenuous you are. cui bono Oct 2015 #126

That's some name-calling there! DanTex Oct 2015 #129

I bet Nothingcleverjustray Oct 2015 #146

Well said, Scootaloo. senz Oct 2015 #149

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #152

4 days late to this party of a post but Puglover Oct 2015 #207

How does that old saying go? A Simple Game Oct 2015 #99

You nailed it. GoneOffShore Oct 2015 #161

They have nothing else. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #191

He appeals to the 63%. Clinton does not n/t eridani Oct 2015 #50

Even among regular voters, Republicans will not vote for her, some Democrats and many indies will merrily Oct 2015 #58

If you want a Republican President, vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton in the primary. merrily Oct 2015 #52

^^^^THIS^^^^ haikugal Oct 2015 #71

Thanks. Can't reply: Time to watch BernieTV (Springfield, MA rally) merrily Oct 2015 #73

Blammo. hifiguy Oct 2015 #204

According to Goldman-Sachs, it doesn't matter if it's Clinton or Bush. I assume you feel the rhett o rick Oct 2015 #135

reminds me of an Upton Sinclair quote: antigop Oct 2015 #19

Posted that quote in response to your Reply 2 before I read your Reply 19. Sorry! merrily Oct 2015 #54

Don't be sorry. It needs to be repeated! nt antigop Oct 2015 #102

Thanks TWM! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #21

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #22

Too Sad That One Does Not Recognize The Suffering Of Others cantbeserious Oct 2015 #32

The suffering has always been. But it's far less today than in the past. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #37

Guess One Does Not Follow Economics And the Concentration Of Wealth by The 1% cantbeserious Oct 2015 #39

Concentration of wealth does not = suffering. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #41

Au Contraire - All Economic Stats Show Most Living Pay Check to Pay Check - No Economic Progress cantbeserious Oct 2015 #43

Yes, the 1% are not suffering. merrily Oct 2015 #63

Yeh I guess you're right. There's always Jesus Armstead Oct 2015 #115

Of course it does. What world are you living in? cui bono Oct 2015 #127

Tell that to the family who got the food stamp cuts during jwirr Oct 2015 #49

Right, but my comment was referring to historically. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #51

Since I am old enough to remember when we did not have jwirr Oct 2015 #59

Untrue. merrily Oct 2015 #62

Thanks for the history lesson. BlueWaveDem Oct 2015 #65

Backatcha. Post 62 was my conclusory reply to your conclusory post 37. merrily Oct 2015 #86

So what's your point? Don't strive to reduce suffering? Be satisfied with what you've been rhett o rick Oct 2015 #137

Well said. historylovr Oct 2015 #193

I don't and I won't. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #23

This is the best thread I've read in a long time. Thanks to Manny and all who contributed. Scuba Oct 2015 #24

What have you done Indepatriot Oct 2015 #28

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #153

We have been trying to correct the result of neo-con, neo-liberal and Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #34

Sure, millions more insured, millions more employed, Prez blocked by asshole GOP Persondem Oct 2015 #35

Let's examine that a bit more closely shall we? ibegurpard Oct 2015 #42

Wow, you are very selective and so much the glass half empty kind of person. Nevermind. nt. Persondem Oct 2015 #97

History did not start in 2008. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #94

No. But the OP is implying that it did with the "If you like how things are going ..." bit. nt. Persondem Oct 2015 #98

Only if you pretend history began in 2008. jeff47 Oct 2015 #100

You apparently buy into the hyperbole of the OP. He's saying the Clinton's own today's problems Persondem Oct 2015 #103

Rightist Democrats certainly bear a share of the blame, including those who merrily Oct 2015 #105

Well, she helped found the DLC jeff47 Oct 2015 #106

You seem to be trying realy hard to blame HRC for things. Persondem Oct 2015 #118

No, just accurately citing her record. jeff47 Oct 2015 #124

The NAFTA thing was 20+ years ago. Since then she has been a senator and SoS. Persondem Oct 2015 #139

The DLC had nothing to do with that Bush tax cut Mnpaul Oct 2015 #174

I didn't see a mention of the DLC role in the article Persondem Oct 2015 #182

Oh we can see the votes Mnpaul Oct 2015 #184

Got it. Thank you. The initial vote was by voice only. The vote you linked to is the Persondem Oct 2015 #187

Wow, welcome to DU. Have we met before? So you are satisfied with the status quo? rhett o rick Oct 2015 #163

That's it in a nut shell. Autumn Oct 2015 #38

Hillary would be a massive step backwards from the Obama years. askew Oct 2015 #44

BLESS YOU ASKEW onecent Oct 2015 #151

Bernie supporters do their candidate no favors when blindly attacking Obama. askew Oct 2015 #47

I do not see this post as an attack on President Obama. He jwirr Oct 2015 #55

It reads that way. askew Oct 2015 #90

From what you are saying here - you are not a Bernie supporter. jwirr Oct 2015 #112

Please see replies 92 and 100. merrily Oct 2015 #117

I don't "blindly attack" Obama. Maedhros Oct 2015 #83

Your views are in the distinct minority and definitely comes across as an attack on Obama. askew Oct 2015 #89

I don't articularly care who "loves" Obama. Maedhros Oct 2015 #104

You keep saying Democrats love Obama. Do you realize that jwirr Oct 2015 #114

History didn't start in 2008. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #92

"You can't win the primary by attacking Obama." Honestly starting to think that's the plan for some Number23 Oct 2015 #144

My autistic son suffered terribly under Race to the Top. I am vocally critical of Obama and will liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #165

STRAWMAN. No one has been "attacking Obama". Some of us object to the TPP, but rhett o rick Oct 2015 #195

There is a large contingent of the Democratic rank-and-file Maedhros Oct 2015 #202

i do not like or want restorefreedom Oct 2015 #53

Maybe not complicated, but that simple, either DFW Oct 2015 #56

I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.... stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #60

I'm voting democratic party workinclasszero Oct 2015 #64

I don't always disagree with MannyGoldstein, but, when I do, it's not likely to be about beer. merrily Oct 2015 #66

Yup. SoapBox Oct 2015 #67

A vote for Hillary is a vote for plutocracy. Broward Oct 2015 #72

I have cast my last "hold my nose" ballot. 99Forever Oct 2015 #75

Great Advice. Thank You. I will Vote for HRC!! lobodons Oct 2015 #76

Manny takes tongue out of cheek.... daleanime Oct 2015 #77

She's too big to fail. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #85

I think you are wrong. I hope you are wrong. onecent Oct 2015 #150

The Beltway now thinks a war requires a sales pitch. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #156

Obama is "responsible" for how thing are "these days". did you vote for him twice? nt msongs Oct 2015 #95

No Obama inherited an existing massive mess Armstead Oct 2015 #111

Actually it's doing okay. not well though.. that part has nothing to do with Obama PatrynXX Oct 2015 #107

All Hillary supporters must be rich. I don't see any other reason why someone would vote for her, Zorra Oct 2015 #108

Exactly my thoughts. Nt darkangel218 Oct 2015 #116

Not only rich, but unwiling to pay their fair share. Bernie does have wealthy supporters. merrily Oct 2015 #119

We know a few certainly are. Juicy_Bellows Oct 2015 #132

Status quo? Oh meum! OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #113

Dueling charts! merrily Oct 2015 #121

There's another chart here? OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #125

My apologies. "Dueling Polls" would have been more accurate. But nothing was hidden. merrily Oct 2015 #131

Okay, then. OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #138

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #128

I love it when you say the exact same things as the Republicans! IronLionZion Oct 2015 #140

If you like the flexibility of being considered a Democrat while sending millions of jobs to Asia, whereisjustice Oct 2015 #141

A vote for Bernie is a wasted vote moobu2 Oct 2015 #147

You folks do know if Bernie Sanders were to get himself elected moobu2 Oct 2015 #154

Or he might actually do what he did as mayor... Armstead Oct 2015 #168

Seems a lot like what Obama did... kjones Oct 2015 #186

Well if you want to misrepresnet what Sanders actually said, sure Armstead Oct 2015 #189

If Bernie would cause gridlock, do tell: On what issues/policies is Hillary going to LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #176

If you just want to rant about change, vote for Sanders. That's all he'll accomplish, assuming he Hoyt Oct 2015 #155

What is Hillary gong to accomplish? LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #177

Most importantly, she can get elected. If she does nothing but appoint several Supreme Hoyt Oct 2015 #178

Ahhh, the quick switcheroo! Nicely done LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #179

Well, Manny Thespian2 Oct 2015 #159

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #164

Go Bernie! The candidate of the PEOPLE! Not the CORPORATIONS! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #169

anybody the dems run as prez is going to handily beat whatever nutbag the goppers put up KG Oct 2015 #171

That's what they are scared of Fumesucker Oct 2015 #173

Much of it controlled by nominal "Democrats' hifiguy Oct 2015 #205

K&R For some people, as long as the corporations win, they win. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #175

I should stop backing Bernie? Onlooker Oct 2015 #180

If you want to go back to the 1990s left-of-center2012 Oct 2015 #185

I would love that! OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #190

Same here left-of-center2012 Oct 2015 #192

Hmm kjones Oct 2015 #188

I'd take 8 more years of Obama ... so OK! JoePhilly Oct 2015 #196

Gettin me fired up Manny... K&R n/t ion_theory Oct 2015 #203

Hmm...depends on what you're looking at, I guess. MineralMan Oct 2015 #208