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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: SLATE: Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)1. A blog post? Where are the sources for his quotes?
And which of these articles does his opinion refute?
32 Years Before Marriage Equality, Bernie Sanders Fought For Gay Rights

But these are only very recent developments. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton may be champions of same-sex marriage now, but you dont have to go far back to find a time when they werent. And hey, were happy to have their evolved support.
Not only did Sanders vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996 which defined marriage as between one man and one woman, signed into law by then-president Bill Clinton an unpopular position then a look back at Sanders political career shows consistent support of the gay rights movement. Even when it was more than just unpopular, it was downright controversial.
In our democratic society, it is the responsibility of government to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights especially the freedom of speech and expression, Sanders wrote later in a memo. In a free society, we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each others lifestyle.
...
It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom as its goal, as the United States does, must work unceasingly to end discrimination against all people. I am happy to say that this past year, in Burlington, we have made some important progress by adopting an ordinance which prohibits discrimination in housing. This law will give legal protection not only to welfare recipients, and families with children, the elderly and the handicapped but to the gay community as well.
http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719

But these are only very recent developments. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton may be champions of same-sex marriage now, but you dont have to go far back to find a time when they werent. And hey, were happy to have their evolved support.
Not only did Sanders vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996 which defined marriage as between one man and one woman, signed into law by then-president Bill Clinton an unpopular position then a look back at Sanders political career shows consistent support of the gay rights movement. Even when it was more than just unpopular, it was downright controversial.
In our democratic society, it is the responsibility of government to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights especially the freedom of speech and expression, Sanders wrote later in a memo. In a free society, we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each others lifestyle.
...
It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom as its goal, as the United States does, must work unceasingly to end discrimination against all people. I am happy to say that this past year, in Burlington, we have made some important progress by adopting an ordinance which prohibits discrimination in housing. This law will give legal protection not only to welfare recipients, and families with children, the elderly and the handicapped but to the gay community as well.
http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719
On LGBT Rights, Bernie Leads and Hillary Follows
Of course, Clinton has since evolved on LGBT rights, as many have. That's wonderful. But the problem is, she only came out in support of marriage equality after it was not politically risky to do so. In fact, by 2013 - the year Clinton announced her full support for marriage equality - Democratic support for same-sex marriage was the norm, not the exception.
On such an important moral issue that affects my life and the lives of thousands of other Americans, making decisions in this manner is rather despicable. Additionally, Clinton's habit of doing what polls deem politically popular is the reason why so many voters find her inauthentic. Now, if Clinton were the only option for the Democratic presidential nomination, I would understand why we should support her despite these flaws.
But she isn't the only option.
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving Independent in the history of Congress, is also running for the nomination. And unlike Clinton, his record on LGBT rights is historically excellent.
Sanders voted against DOMA, one of the few members of Congress to do so, at a time when such a stance was not politically popular. Four years after DOMA passed, Sanders helped champion Vermont's decision in 2000 to become the first state to legalize same-sex civil unions. This set a national precedent for LGBT equality achieved via legislative means. In 2009, when Vermont became the first state to allow marriage equality through legislative action rather than a court ruling, Sanders expressed his support once again. Truly, Sanders has been a real leader on LGBT rights, even if this leadership isn't recognized in the way that Clinton's current support is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-novak/on-lgbt-rights-bernie-lea_b_7662682.html
Of course, Clinton has since evolved on LGBT rights, as many have. That's wonderful. But the problem is, she only came out in support of marriage equality after it was not politically risky to do so. In fact, by 2013 - the year Clinton announced her full support for marriage equality - Democratic support for same-sex marriage was the norm, not the exception.
On such an important moral issue that affects my life and the lives of thousands of other Americans, making decisions in this manner is rather despicable. Additionally, Clinton's habit of doing what polls deem politically popular is the reason why so many voters find her inauthentic. Now, if Clinton were the only option for the Democratic presidential nomination, I would understand why we should support her despite these flaws.
But she isn't the only option.
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving Independent in the history of Congress, is also running for the nomination. And unlike Clinton, his record on LGBT rights is historically excellent.
Sanders voted against DOMA, one of the few members of Congress to do so, at a time when such a stance was not politically popular. Four years after DOMA passed, Sanders helped champion Vermont's decision in 2000 to become the first state to legalize same-sex civil unions. This set a national precedent for LGBT equality achieved via legislative means. In 2009, when Vermont became the first state to allow marriage equality through legislative action rather than a court ruling, Sanders expressed his support once again. Truly, Sanders has been a real leader on LGBT rights, even if this leadership isn't recognized in the way that Clinton's current support is.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-novak/on-lgbt-rights-bernie-lea_b_7662682.html
Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago
Todays Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.
Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.
There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
In a letter he published in the early 1970s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago
Todays Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.
Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.
There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
In a letter he published in the early 1970s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago
Sanders: I was ahead of the curve on gay rights
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Saturday he has been waiting for the nation to catch up to his support for same-sex marriage.
Sanders remarks come a day after Fridays landmark 5-4 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.
He argued he was well ahead of the historic decision, unlike Hillary Clinton, his main rival for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.
...
Sanders at the time served in the House of Representatives, which voted 342-67 in favor of DOMA. The Senate voted 85-14 in favor, before former President Bill Clinton signed it into law.
That was an anti-gay marriage piece of legislation, he added of the law that defined marriage at the federal level as the coupling of one man and one woman.
Sanders on Saturday praised Americans for creating greater opportunities for same-sex couples. Fridays Supreme Court ruling, he charged, was not possible without national pressure for gay rights.
No one here should think for one second this starts with the Supreme Court, Sanders said.
It starts at the grassroots level in all 50 states, he said. The American people want to end discrimination in all its forms.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/246370-sanders-i-was-ahead-of-the-curve-on-gay-rights
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Saturday he has been waiting for the nation to catch up to his support for same-sex marriage.
Sanders remarks come a day after Fridays landmark 5-4 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.
He argued he was well ahead of the historic decision, unlike Hillary Clinton, his main rival for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.
...
Sanders at the time served in the House of Representatives, which voted 342-67 in favor of DOMA. The Senate voted 85-14 in favor, before former President Bill Clinton signed it into law.
That was an anti-gay marriage piece of legislation, he added of the law that defined marriage at the federal level as the coupling of one man and one woman.
Sanders on Saturday praised Americans for creating greater opportunities for same-sex couples. Fridays Supreme Court ruling, he charged, was not possible without national pressure for gay rights.
No one here should think for one second this starts with the Supreme Court, Sanders said.
It starts at the grassroots level in all 50 states, he said. The American people want to end discrimination in all its forms.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/246370-sanders-i-was-ahead-of-the-curve-on-gay-rights
Bernie Sanders was decades ahead of the country on gay rights and ending the war on drugs
Most Americans now support legally allowing gay and lesbian relationships, same-sex marriage, and personal marijuana use after decades of shifting public opinion. But one Democratic candidate for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, was calling for many of these changes decades ago.
In a 1972 letter to a local newspaper which was recently resurfaced by Chelsea Summers at the New Republic Sanders wrote that he supported abolishing "all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexuality, etc.)" as part of his campaign for Vermont governor:
These stances were far removed from public opinion at the time, according to Gallup surveys on marijuana and gay and lesbian rights. In 1972, 81 percent of Americans said marijuana should be illegal which suggests even more would favor the prohibition of more dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin. In 1977, the earliest year of polling data, 43 percent of Americans said gay and lesbian relations between consenting adults should not be legal, while 43 percent said they should be legal.
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But it took decades for the American public to come around to majority support on these issues: It wasn't until 2013 that a majority of Americans supported marijuana legalization, the early 2000s that most consistently responded in favor of legal gay and lesbian relations, and 2011 that a majority first reported backing same-sex marriage rights.
Sanders has carried many of these positions to this day. He was one of the few federal lawmakers to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal ban on same-sex marriages, in the 1990s. And while he told Time's Jay Newton-Small in March that he has no current stance on marijuana legalization (but backs medical marijuana), he characterized the war on drugs as costly and destructive.
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/7/8905905/sanders-drugs-gay-rights
Most Americans now support legally allowing gay and lesbian relationships, same-sex marriage, and personal marijuana use after decades of shifting public opinion. But one Democratic candidate for president, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, was calling for many of these changes decades ago.
In a 1972 letter to a local newspaper which was recently resurfaced by Chelsea Summers at the New Republic Sanders wrote that he supported abolishing "all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexuality, etc.)" as part of his campaign for Vermont governor:
These stances were far removed from public opinion at the time, according to Gallup surveys on marijuana and gay and lesbian rights. In 1972, 81 percent of Americans said marijuana should be illegal which suggests even more would favor the prohibition of more dangerous drugs like cocaine and heroin. In 1977, the earliest year of polling data, 43 percent of Americans said gay and lesbian relations between consenting adults should not be legal, while 43 percent said they should be legal.
...
But it took decades for the American public to come around to majority support on these issues: It wasn't until 2013 that a majority of Americans supported marijuana legalization, the early 2000s that most consistently responded in favor of legal gay and lesbian relations, and 2011 that a majority first reported backing same-sex marriage rights.
Sanders has carried many of these positions to this day. He was one of the few federal lawmakers to vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal ban on same-sex marriages, in the 1990s. And while he told Time's Jay Newton-Small in March that he has no current stance on marijuana legalization (but backs medical marijuana), he characterized the war on drugs as costly and destructive.
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/7/8905905/sanders-drugs-gay-rights
Bernie Sanders' Views On Gay Marriage Show He's Been A Supporter For A Long Time
Now that he's officially announced he will seek the Democratic nomination for president and challenge Hillary Clinton, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will be talking about his positions on major issues on the campaign trail, and one very big issue he has championed for years is gay marriage. Sanders, unlike some of his potential Republican opponents, seems like he would not turn down an invitation to a gay wedding (and he might actually get invited to one).
In 1996, then-Representative Sanders voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred recognition of gay marriage at the federal level (DOMA was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 2013). Sanders' and his home state of Vermont were the first to legalize same-sex unions in 2000, at first recognizing them as civil unions. Gay marriage has been legal in Vermont since 2009, and as The New York Times reported, Vermont was the first state to pass legislation in support of same-sex marriage, rather than in reaction to a court ruling.
On Tuesday, as the Supreme Court took up the issue of gay marriage, Sanders issued a statement on his website reaffirming his support, saying gay Americans in every state should be allowed to marry.
Of course all citizens deserve equal rights. Its time for the Supreme Court to catch up to the American people and legalize gay marriage.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/79951-bernie-sanders-views-on-gay-marriage-show-hes-been-a-supporter-for-a-long-time
Now that he's officially announced he will seek the Democratic nomination for president and challenge Hillary Clinton, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will be talking about his positions on major issues on the campaign trail, and one very big issue he has championed for years is gay marriage. Sanders, unlike some of his potential Republican opponents, seems like he would not turn down an invitation to a gay wedding (and he might actually get invited to one).
In 1996, then-Representative Sanders voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, which barred recognition of gay marriage at the federal level (DOMA was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 2013). Sanders' and his home state of Vermont were the first to legalize same-sex unions in 2000, at first recognizing them as civil unions. Gay marriage has been legal in Vermont since 2009, and as The New York Times reported, Vermont was the first state to pass legislation in support of same-sex marriage, rather than in reaction to a court ruling.
On Tuesday, as the Supreme Court took up the issue of gay marriage, Sanders issued a statement on his website reaffirming his support, saying gay Americans in every state should be allowed to marry.
Of course all citizens deserve equal rights. Its time for the Supreme Court to catch up to the American people and legalize gay marriage.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/79951-bernie-sanders-views-on-gay-marriage-show-hes-been-a-supporter-for-a-long-time
Is Bernie Sanders the Most LGBT-Friendly Candidate?
Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving independent member of Congress, is officially seeking the Democratic nomination for president in 2016, the Vermont senator announced in an email to supporters this morning.
"People should not underestimate me," Sanders told the Associated Press in an interview that broke the news of his candidacy Wednesday night. "I've run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates and, you know, I think the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country."
The self-described "Democratic socialist" wants to challenge the business-as-usual trend of big money in politics that he says dominates the current candidates including Hillary Clinton.
The thrust of Sanders's campaign thus far like his political career as the mayor of Burlington, Vt., 16 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the past seven in the U.S. Senate has focused on supporting working-class Americans through elevated taxes on the wealthy and correcting income inequality "which is now reaching obscene levels," he told the AP.
But Sanders has also been a steadfast and reliable supporter of LGBT equality, supporting the Employment Non-Discrimination Act when it passed the Senate in 2013 and even calling on President Obama to evolve already and support marriage equality in 2011. He's a cosponsor of the federal LGBT-inclusive Student Non-Discrimination Act and has consistently voted against bills seeking to amend the Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, while cosponsoring a bill that would repeal the remaining portions of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act. Sanders has a perfect score of 100 percent on the Human Rights Campaign's latest Congressional Equality Index.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/election/2015/04/30/bernie-sanders-most-lgbt-friendly-candidate
Bernie Sanders, the longest-serving independent member of Congress, is officially seeking the Democratic nomination for president in 2016, the Vermont senator announced in an email to supporters this morning.
"People should not underestimate me," Sanders told the Associated Press in an interview that broke the news of his candidacy Wednesday night. "I've run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates and, you know, I think the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country."
The self-described "Democratic socialist" wants to challenge the business-as-usual trend of big money in politics that he says dominates the current candidates including Hillary Clinton.
The thrust of Sanders's campaign thus far like his political career as the mayor of Burlington, Vt., 16 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the past seven in the U.S. Senate has focused on supporting working-class Americans through elevated taxes on the wealthy and correcting income inequality "which is now reaching obscene levels," he told the AP.
But Sanders has also been a steadfast and reliable supporter of LGBT equality, supporting the Employment Non-Discrimination Act when it passed the Senate in 2013 and even calling on President Obama to evolve already and support marriage equality in 2011. He's a cosponsor of the federal LGBT-inclusive Student Non-Discrimination Act and has consistently voted against bills seeking to amend the Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, while cosponsoring a bill that would repeal the remaining portions of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act. Sanders has a perfect score of 100 percent on the Human Rights Campaign's latest Congressional Equality Index.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/election/2015/04/30/bernie-sanders-most-lgbt-friendly-candidate
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SLATE: Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. [View all]
MADem
Oct 2015
OP
Listen to him. He favors CIVIL UNIONS, not marriage. And he says it is a states right issue.
MADem
Oct 2015
#14
Wow, he really said that? "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages"
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#199
You will never know because I will never tell--at least not you. Never have, never will.
MADem
Oct 2015
#237
Where was the claim made that he called for "legalizing same-sex marriage in that statement"?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#52
What part of "Let us abolish all laws which attempt to a particular brand of morality or
Ed Suspicious
Oct 2015
#70
Yes, the everyday movement of 'practices' in state legislatures does not move in a
riversedge
Oct 2015
#180
Seriously? He didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#8
For the people who are sick of seeing lgbt rights exploited by HC supporters.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#12
No one is looking at the video where he says, plainly, his objection is that it is
MADem
Oct 2015
#9
I've looked at it 5 times, he didn't want them to overturn states who legalized ssm.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#11
Where is the part where he said he opposed same sex marriage like the blogger claims?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#21
Civil unions are not marriage equality. Civil unions are a lesser choice, and that is what he said
MADem
Oct 2015
#23
Point out the exact part of the video where he says he opposes same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#24
You haven't proven your claim yet so I'm going to keep asking for your evidence.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#28
NOoooooooo....he has SAID he voted against DOMA because he thought .... wait for it...
MADem
Oct 2015
#242
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#243
He ducked the question. He was asked about equality and he pivoted and failed to answer.
MADem
Oct 2015
#249
So he never said that he opposed marriage equality and the blogger lied. Good to know!
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#250
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#252
I've answered this question, what--four, five times already? Do you think spamming is a substitute
MADem
Oct 2015
#253
I don't think the author of the piece minds his answer either--what he objects to is the
MADem
Oct 2015
#127
"as recently as 2006, Sanders OPPOSED marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont"
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#131
He did. He said, in 2006, on that video, that he supported CIVIL UNIONS for Vermont.
MADem
Oct 2015
#132
When he answered the question "Do you favor gay marriage" with "I favor civil unions." nt
MADem
Oct 2015
#138
Ha ha ha! So, if he answers the question "Do you support gay marriage in VT" with the "civil
MADem
Oct 2015
#141
So that's your fall back? You can't prove your claim and now you're saying it's not enough for me?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#144
Ah, how convenient. You can imply Bernie didn't support ssm but Hillary is off limits?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#152
Start one if you'd like. I'll be the first to say, flat out, that HRC was slow out of the gate on
MADem
Oct 2015
#217
Kev, listen to it again. He was running for Senator of VT. The questioner was asking him about
MADem
Oct 2015
#216
"Do you think that gay people should have the right to get married outside of Massachusetts
MADem
Oct 2015
#222
re: "He replied that he supports civil unions and that is a states right issue. "
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#231
Wait a minute--his "position on DOMA" was that "marriage is a STATE issue" -- he
MADem
Oct 2015
#262
If indeed "the state is making one person in our nation 'lesser' than another person"
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#268
I see it another way. I think the federal government must speak when it comes to
MADem
Oct 2015
#269
He was being a politician. And that's fine. He was playing the "art of the possible"
MADem
Oct 2015
#272
Nice try, but no. Come back when you find a blogger who can manage the truth.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#168
That is a very tortured interpretation that flies in the face of the plain meaning of what he said.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#201
It still doesn't square well with the question asked, which was about marriage and legislative
MADem
Oct 2015
#282
It doesn't matter that there was no issue that he supported these things.
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#285
There's a difference between expressing what "the reality" was and expressing a personal view on
MADem
Oct 2015
#271
Nothing new there, no smoking gun, no proof of MADem's claim that Bernie opposed ssm.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#29
Did he say "Civil unions--not marriage equality" or are those your words?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#30
Actually, they are. All state recognized marriages are civil unions. Each and every one.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2015
#51
Exactly. It was a yes or no question. By saying he supports civil unions, his answer was no.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#115
Bingo--that's precisely it. It's de rigeur to not use "negative" language in debates.
MADem
Oct 2015
#119
Yes he did, by asserting he supported civil unions when asked if he supported ssm.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#126
Where did he say he supported one and not the other? I must have missed it.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#130
So you can't prove that claim? Good to know. The op couldn't either.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#137
Which words? Where did he say he opposed same sex marriage? The exact words, please.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#142
I already told you in post 126. You may enjoy repeating yourself but I don't.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#146
You did, but you're not going to get anything but cut-and-paste for your efforts!
MADem
Oct 2015
#255
Except that being for civil unions does not mean you're against gay marriage.
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#188
Changed his position from what to what? Where did he say he opposed ssm?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#43
Of COURSE he is--that's in the article, too, that he was ahead of the curve as well. nt
MADem
Oct 2015
#48
The blogger lied: "Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont"
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#53
Nope. The blogger lied and your claim that Bernie opposed ssm was false.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#62
No, that's not accurate. I provided an article for comment, and you became angry at me
MADem
Oct 2015
#71
You posted "It’s Just Not True." And now you're claiming that I "became angry".
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#72
Well if you would have answered me I wouldn't have had to keep asking.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#77
Except that Bernie didn't "evolve" since he never opposed same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#82
Sanders evolved as the OP notes. Good for him-and good for Clinton. Nothing wrong with evolving
riversedge
Oct 2015
#171
Because the author lied. He didn't say he thought Bernie opposed ssm, he stated it as fact.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#88
Hmmm. Your source says Bernie was mayor of Burlington in 1990. He was not. In1988
Luminous Animal
Oct 2015
#37
The writer of that piece is "speaking as a gay man," and he's not fond of ANY of the
MADem
Oct 2015
#83
How many of our staunch allies were advocating equal marriage rights in 1975?
Betty Karlson
Oct 2015
#111
The video was from 2006. WAY after DOMA. In 2006 equality WAS on the radar. That's why it was
MADem
Oct 2015
#112
Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#118
Yes, I was blocked for refusing to throw former President Jimmy Carter under the bus.
MADem
Oct 2015
#93
No, Jimmy Carter said that it should always be left up to the states.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#94
I'm "causing a ruckus" because I posted an article by a gay writer about a candidate for POTUS's
MADem
Oct 2015
#97
Nothing to be sorry for--that article is fact based. I'm not beating a horse, but
MADem
Oct 2015
#213
Hillary asserted states' rights re: gun control - are you going to compare her to racists too?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#113
Those aren't her words? Which part of what she said doesn't assert states' rights?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#134
He just won't listen, lgbt people have told him so IN THIS THREAD and he refuses to see it.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#129
Thanks for kicking the thread. The gay author of the blog IS right. The video doesn't lie. nt
MADem
Oct 2015
#143
The blogger lied: "Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont"
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#145
He is not a "blogger" -- he is a SLATE writer who reports on LGBT and Law issues--and his report is
MADem
Oct 2015
#148
I know what question was asked, I know far more about this than you do apparently.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#149
His report claims Bernie was Mayor of Burlington in 1990 which he was not. This is one of the few
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2015
#189
When you have a video of bernie saying marriage should be only between a man and a woman, get back
djean111
Oct 2015
#157
Whatever Bernie said, it was not as bad as Hillary's "marriage is only between a man and a woman"
djean111
Oct 2015
#161
The point of the article is to somehow make it appear that Hillary is better on gay rights than
djean111
Oct 2015
#164
Absolutely not--this writer has gone after Clinton too (and plenty of people yelling
MADem
Oct 2015
#166
Please provide evidence where Sanders has said: "Marriage is between a man and a woman."
Armstead
Oct 2015
#176
ah, I do not have to. Evolving does not mean specific words that one has said. It is movement from
riversedge
Oct 2015
#181
And another poster is added to my list of "Don't bother reading his/her crap." (eom)
mak3cats
Oct 2015
#172
Please point out in that text where he said he opposes same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#210
Put the question that was asked in front of your quote and it's apparent to everyone.
MADem
Oct 2015
#211
That's what I thought. Aaaaaaaaand we're all done here folks! Nothing to see.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#212
Funny how you refuse to do that. You keep avoiding simply putting the question down ahead of
MADem
Oct 2015
#214
I'll believe it when he admits that Bernie never said he opposed same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#233
The full-throated support comes from the "I didn't have to evolve--I was there" remarks he has
MADem
Oct 2015
#267
There is only one thing I'm more tired of than the 'state's rights' excuse and that is...
wyldwolf
Oct 2015
#225
Jimmy Carter, Mr. Habitat For Humanity, was named Asshole of the Year for not being "correct"
MADem
Oct 2015
#239
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#240
So he never said he opposed same sex marriage. Thanks! I suppose you'll be deleting this op?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#246
Show me in that video where he says--in answer to the QUESTION he was asked--that he supports it.
MADem
Oct 2015
#257
The blogger lied. Unless you can point out where Bernie said he opposed marriage equality:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#248