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beam me up scottie

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9. One more time: Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:51 AM
Oct 2015

Jimmy Carter was opposed to making same sex marriage legal nationwide, he deserved to be criticized.

Bernie, otoh, has always been an ally:

32 Years Before Marriage Equality, Bernie Sanders Fought For Gay Rights



But these are only very recent developments. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton may be champions of same-sex marriage now, but you don’t have to go far back to find a time when they weren’t. And hey, we’re happy to have their evolved support.

Not only did Sanders vote against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996 which defined marriage as between one man and one woman, signed into law by then-president Bill Clinton — an unpopular position then — a look back at Sanders’ political career shows consistent support of the gay rights movement. Even when it was more than just unpopular, it was downright controversial.

“In our democratic society, it is the responsibility of government to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights — especially the freedom of speech and expression,” Sanders wrote later in a memo. “In a free society, we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each others lifestyle.”

...

“It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom as its goal, as the United States does, must work unceasingly to end discrimination against all people. I am happy to say that this past year, in Burlington, we have made some important progress by adopting an ordinance which prohibits discrimination in housing. This law will give legal protection not only to welfare recipients, and families with children, the elderly and the handicapped — but to the gay community as well.”

http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719




I was THERE. Do not tell me that Bernie didn't support lgbt people.

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Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1
K&R nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #2
K&R. nt tblue37 Oct 2015 #3
The reason Bernie said it was a state issue in 2006 jfern Oct 2015 #4
I don't understand your comment about DOMA. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #5
Oh I was thinking of the other part jfern Oct 2015 #6
Clinton could well have vetoed that particular bill. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #8
Excellent post. I stand corrected if my post left readers with any other impression. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #24
There is a contradiction when the question is if you support gay marriage in VT like MA, MADem Oct 2015 #7
One more time: Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #9
He favored a states rights approach to this issue. And he favored civil unions for VT. He said so. MADem Oct 2015 #10
He never said he opposed same sex marriage. You don't get to make up your own facts. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11
He answered the question of "gay marriage" with the answer "civil unions for VT." MADem Oct 2015 #12
Again he never said he was opposed to same sex marriage - Hillary did. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #13
You can keep kicking the thread, but you can't change what he said in response to the question. nt MADem Oct 2015 #14
The op refutes your claim, you know. So kicking it doesn't help you at all. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #15
I didn't read your Gish Gallop, but thanks for the kick for the morning crowd. MADem Oct 2015 #16
Not a "Gish Gallop", just many articles that prove Bernie was always an ally. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #17
In response to a question about gay marriage for VT, he said he supported civil unions. nt MADem Oct 2015 #18
Is Gish Gallop another term for obscurantuism? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #19
Why...I don't HAVE a dawg!!!! MADem Oct 2015 #20
In another thread some posters were arguing knives are as lethal as guns. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #21
Hmmm. MADem Oct 2015 #22
Why do you think it is so difficult for them to concede their favorite candidate is imperfect... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #23
Marriage law is a state issue. Ask any law school professor of family law. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #27
Respectfully, the Supreme Court Of The United States Of America disagrees with you DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #29
I agree with you 100% that gay marriage is protected under the 14th Amendment. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #84
IIRC, Hillary was asked in that video Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #105
He certainly WAS "ahead of the curve" on the general idea of "gay rights"--I give him that MADem Oct 2015 #34
I am not questioning anybody stance on the issues. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #35
I think we're on the same page re: that POV. nt MADem Oct 2015 #43
What is it with you and the strawmen? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53
Find one example of a Bernie supporter who said that or quit making things up. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #64
So no one actually said what you claimed. Good to know! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #65
If you are content in putting words in the mouths of your interlocutors... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #68
Your words:"I just take issue with the suggestion that there is such a thing as a perfect candidate" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #69
Why would you demur from such an accurate depiction of readily observable behavior? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #71
I prefer facts, since you have none I'm done here! :) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #72
That's a uniquely un-chivalrous way of surrendering. :) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #73
That's okay, I accept your surrender nonetheless! Ciao! :) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #74
Now we are descending into "I know who I am. Do you?" terrain DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #75
LOL! Like PeeWee Herman and friends! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #76
You have the last word. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #79
:) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #80
Could you post a video or a transcript please? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #40
Courtesy of our friends at CSPAN. MADem Oct 2015 #41
A person could support gay marriage and accept civil unions as a compromise for the moment. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #26
Not what he said, though. MADem Oct 2015 #30
Why did you say "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages." ? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37
How interesting that you support the religious argument--that's the only conclusion I can reach MADem Oct 2015 #45
Unlike you I've always supported marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46
You apparently confuse the concept of separation of church and state with "marriage equality." MADem Oct 2015 #47
The SLATE article paraphrases some sort of exchange that is alleged to have taken place JDPriestly Oct 2015 #42
When a candidate is asked if they want SSM for VT, and they reply that they want civil unions, you MADem Oct 2015 #48
He says the issue is up to the states and that the federal government should not overturn JDPriestly Oct 2015 #49
Bernie's exact words: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52
Let everyone listen to the video for themselves. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #88
That was Obama's opinion in 2004 Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #106
Do you have a link for the article that quotes him saying that and provides the context? Please. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #25
There is nothing wrong with his--or any Democratic candidate's--pov re: marriage equality now. MADem Oct 2015 #33
The author of the SLATE piece is wrong if he relied on the C-Span video as his source. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #50
THis is EXACTLY what Bernie said: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #51
And that was the accepted view of the law at that time until the recent Supreme Court decision JDPriestly Oct 2015 #59
It took me a while but it's worth it to watch the swift boaters eat their words. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #60
Sorry--he did. He wasn't running for POTUS, he was running for the Senate and talking about VERMONT. MADem Oct 2015 #54
Sanders said it was an issue for the states and that the federal government should not JDPriestly Oct 2015 #56
In which part of this statement does he say he opposes same sex marriage?: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #58
"I think the whole issue of marriage is a state issue." MADem Oct 2015 #61
Where does he say he opposes same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62
Right there! nt MADem Oct 2015 #63
Post the exact words where he said he opposes it. Tia. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66
Watch the video. But you know that. nt MADem Oct 2015 #98
I did and I transcribed it, still not seeing it. Post the exact quote. Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #99
Watch it again. And again. And again--until you understand. MADem Oct 2015 #101
I transcribed it for you, please copy and paste the text where he opposes same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #102
Please quote the exact language he used to say that he opposed gay marriage? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #90
Watch the video. When asked if he supports 'the gay marriage" for VT, he tells the interviewer MADem Oct 2015 #100
And Sanders didn't use his religion to hammer LGBTers. Prism Oct 2015 #28
He's "not particularly religious." He eats pork at his favorite restaurant in Burlington. MADem Oct 2015 #31
Sanders' wife, I believe, is Catholic. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #93
Yes, she is. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94
Thanks. Interesting. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #96
Another reason I like Bernie is because he's a secular Jew. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #97
Thanks again, Prism. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #32
Please don't throw all religious folks into one box. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #78
I didn't Prism Oct 2015 #103
But I do hold a grudge against people who stand on their religion to justify their bigotry. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #104
When Bernie said he supported states being able to deny marriage equality to same sex couples moobu2 Oct 2015 #36
He didn't want the feds to overturn states' decisions to allow same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #38
Bernie said he voted against DOMA because it violated states rights. moobu2 Oct 2015 #39
Oh dear, you are confused, aren't you? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44
Bernie did not say that. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #55
Point out which part of his statement says what you claim: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #57
He said the federal government should not overrule states that had gay marriage. That was JDPriestly Oct 2015 #81
Please provide a link to a transcript or video in which Bernie said that. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #95
Civil rights are not a state issue. Haven't been paying attention today to the hrmjustin Oct 2015 #67
The blogger at Slate lied when he said Bernie opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70
"Marriage is a state issue" moobu2 Oct 2015 #82
Which part of his statement is confusing you? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #83
Well I don't think it is a state issue. My understanding was he was always for marriage equality and hrmjustin Oct 2015 #85
That's exactly what he meant. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #87
Well correct me if I am wrong but he advocated for marriage equality in the 90's? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #89
He always advocated for civil rights - for everyone. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #91
My understanding is he was one of the earliest elected advocates for marriage equality among hrmjustin Oct 2015 #92
The DOMA vote in the House was 342 Yes votes, including 118 Democrats. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #107
I was in my teens at the time. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #109
Precisely. Civil rights are both a state and a federal issue. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #77
Hillary got it wrong and admitted it. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #86
Personally I think it is reductive and revisionist as well as disrespectful of both candidates and Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #108
Well said. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #110
I'm not sure you got the full message but I sure hope you did. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #111
I agree. I have nothing but respect for Sanders standing up for us. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #113
I'm not sure wether I responded to your post or not. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #115
Unless the states violate people's civil rights with their marriage laws. n/t prayin4rain Oct 2015 #112
Yes. I am not gay but have always supported gay marrroage rights. It's the law. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #114
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