2016 Postmortem

MADem

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16. I didn't read your Gish Gallop, but thanks for the kick for the morning crowd.

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:21 AM

Oct 2015

He did not support equality for VT in 2006.

He supported Civil Unions.

The video demonstrates that.

That's the author's point.

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Marriage was traditionally a state issue. [View all] JDPriestly Oct 2015 OP

Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1

K&R nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #2

K&R. nt tblue37 Oct 2015 #3

The reason Bernie said it was a state issue in 2006 jfern Oct 2015 #4

I don't understand your comment about DOMA. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #5

Oh I was thinking of the other part jfern Oct 2015 #6

Clinton could well have vetoed that particular bill. Bohunk68 Oct 2015 #8

Excellent post. I stand corrected if my post left readers with any other impression. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #24

There is a contradiction when the question is if you support gay marriage in VT like MA, MADem Oct 2015 #7

One more time: Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #9

He favored a states rights approach to this issue. And he favored civil unions for VT. He said so. MADem Oct 2015 #10

He never said he opposed same sex marriage. You don't get to make up your own facts. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11

He answered the question of "gay marriage" with the answer "civil unions for VT." MADem Oct 2015 #12

Again he never said he was opposed to same sex marriage - Hillary did. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #13

You can keep kicking the thread, but you can't change what he said in response to the question. nt MADem Oct 2015 #14

The op refutes your claim, you know. So kicking it doesn't help you at all. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #15

I didn't read your Gish Gallop, but thanks for the kick for the morning crowd. MADem Oct 2015 #16

Not a "Gish Gallop", just many articles that prove Bernie was always an ally. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #17

In response to a question about gay marriage for VT, he said he supported civil unions. nt MADem Oct 2015 #18

Is Gish Gallop another term for obscurantuism? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #19

Why...I don't HAVE a dawg!!!! MADem Oct 2015 #20

In another thread some posters were arguing knives are as lethal as guns. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #21

Hmmm. MADem Oct 2015 #22

Why do you think it is so difficult for them to concede their favorite candidate is imperfect... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #23

Marriage law is a state issue. Ask any law school professor of family law. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #27

Respectfully, the Supreme Court Of The United States Of America disagrees with you DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #29

I agree with you 100% that gay marriage is protected under the 14th Amendment. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #84

IIRC, Hillary was asked in that video Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #105

He certainly WAS "ahead of the curve" on the general idea of "gay rights"--I give him that MADem Oct 2015 #34

I am not questioning anybody stance on the issues. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #35

I think we're on the same page re: that POV. nt MADem Oct 2015 #43

What is it with you and the strawmen? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53

Find one example of a Bernie supporter who said that or quit making things up. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #64

So no one actually said what you claimed. Good to know! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #65

If you are content in putting words in the mouths of your interlocutors... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #68

Your words:"I just take issue with the suggestion that there is such a thing as a perfect candidate" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #69

Why would you demur from such an accurate depiction of readily observable behavior? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #71

I prefer facts, since you have none I'm done here! :) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #72

That's a uniquely un-chivalrous way of surrendering. :) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #73

That's okay, I accept your surrender nonetheless! Ciao! :) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #74

Now we are descending into "I know who I am. Do you?" terrain DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #75

LOL! Like PeeWee Herman and friends! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #76

You have the last word. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #79

:) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #80

Could you post a video or a transcript please? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #40

Courtesy of our friends at CSPAN. MADem Oct 2015 #41

A person could support gay marriage and accept civil unions as a compromise for the moment. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #26

Not what he said, though. MADem Oct 2015 #30

Why did you say "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages." ? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37

How interesting that you support the religious argument--that's the only conclusion I can reach MADem Oct 2015 #45

Unlike you I've always supported marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46

You apparently confuse the concept of separation of church and state with "marriage equality." MADem Oct 2015 #47

The SLATE article paraphrases some sort of exchange that is alleged to have taken place JDPriestly Oct 2015 #42

When a candidate is asked if they want SSM for VT, and they reply that they want civil unions, you MADem Oct 2015 #48

He says the issue is up to the states and that the federal government should not overturn JDPriestly Oct 2015 #49

Bernie's exact words: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52

Let everyone listen to the video for themselves. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #88

That was Obama's opinion in 2004 Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #106

Do you have a link for the article that quotes him saying that and provides the context? Please. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #25

There is nothing wrong with his--or any Democratic candidate's--pov re: marriage equality now. MADem Oct 2015 #33

The author of the SLATE piece is wrong if he relied on the C-Span video as his source. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #50

THis is EXACTLY what Bernie said: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #51

And that was the accepted view of the law at that time until the recent Supreme Court decision JDPriestly Oct 2015 #59

It took me a while but it's worth it to watch the swift boaters eat their words. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #60

Sorry--he did. He wasn't running for POTUS, he was running for the Senate and talking about VERMONT. MADem Oct 2015 #54

Sanders said it was an issue for the states and that the federal government should not JDPriestly Oct 2015 #56

In which part of this statement does he say he opposes same sex marriage?: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #58

"I think the whole issue of marriage is a state issue." MADem Oct 2015 #61

Where does he say he opposes same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62

Right there! nt MADem Oct 2015 #63

Post the exact words where he said he opposes it. Tia. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66

Watch the video. But you know that. nt MADem Oct 2015 #98

I did and I transcribed it, still not seeing it. Post the exact quote. Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #99

Watch it again. And again. And again--until you understand. MADem Oct 2015 #101

I transcribed it for you, please copy and paste the text where he opposes same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #102

Please quote the exact language he used to say that he opposed gay marriage? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #90

Watch the video. When asked if he supports 'the gay marriage" for VT, he tells the interviewer MADem Oct 2015 #100

And Sanders didn't use his religion to hammer LGBTers. Prism Oct 2015 #28

He's "not particularly religious." He eats pork at his favorite restaurant in Burlington. MADem Oct 2015 #31

Sanders' wife, I believe, is Catholic. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #93

Yes, she is. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94

Thanks. Interesting. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #96

Another reason I like Bernie is because he's a secular Jew. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #97

Thanks again, Prism. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #32

Please don't throw all religious folks into one box. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #78

I didn't Prism Oct 2015 #103

But I do hold a grudge against people who stand on their religion to justify their bigotry. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #104

When Bernie said he supported states being able to deny marriage equality to same sex couples moobu2 Oct 2015 #36

He didn't want the feds to overturn states' decisions to allow same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #38

Bernie said he voted against DOMA because it violated states rights. moobu2 Oct 2015 #39

Oh dear, you are confused, aren't you? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44

Bernie did not say that. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #55

Point out which part of his statement says what you claim: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #57

He said the federal government should not overrule states that had gay marriage. That was JDPriestly Oct 2015 #81

Please provide a link to a transcript or video in which Bernie said that. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #95

Civil rights are not a state issue. Haven't been paying attention today to the hrmjustin Oct 2015 #67

The blogger at Slate lied when he said Bernie opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70

"Marriage is a state issue" moobu2 Oct 2015 #82

Which part of his statement is confusing you? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #83

Well I don't think it is a state issue. My understanding was he was always for marriage equality and hrmjustin Oct 2015 #85

That's exactly what he meant. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #87

Well correct me if I am wrong but he advocated for marriage equality in the 90's? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #89

He always advocated for civil rights - for everyone. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #91

My understanding is he was one of the earliest elected advocates for marriage equality among hrmjustin Oct 2015 #92

The DOMA vote in the House was 342 Yes votes, including 118 Democrats. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #107

I was in my teens at the time. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #109

Precisely. Civil rights are both a state and a federal issue. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #77

Hillary got it wrong and admitted it. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #86

Personally I think it is reductive and revisionist as well as disrespectful of both candidates and Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #108

Well said. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #110

I'm not sure you got the full message but I sure hope you did. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #111

I agree. I have nothing but respect for Sanders standing up for us. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #113

I'm not sure wether I responded to your post or not. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #115

Unless the states violate people's civil rights with their marriage laws. n/t prayin4rain Oct 2015 #112

Yes. I am not gay but have always supported gay marrroage rights. It's the law. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #114