2016 Postmortem

jeff47

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82. We don't need hypotheticals. We have actual records.

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:29 AM

Oct 2015

Sanders said we should eliminate all discriminatory laws in 1985. That would include laws banning "gay marriage". If you want a more explicit support for "gay marriage" as opposed to other discrimination, there's votes in the 1990s, most notably DOMA.

Clinton supported DOMA until a 60% majority opposed it in 2013. Making it appear that her position changed only when it was no longer politically tenable.

Why are you trying to create hypotheticals when we have their actual records? What about their records is not good enough to judge their beliefs?

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So it seems that I should vote for Clinton, who explicitly opposed marriage equality [View all] Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 OP

Obfuscation - The Propagandists Most Effective Tool - We Should Expect Nothing Less From HRC cantbeserious Oct 2015 #1

Ooooh! Don't you know - critical thinking was not supposed to happen! djean111 Oct 2015 #2

Any downside to ether Clinton or Sanders is safeinOhio Oct 2015 #3

When DUers stop lying about Bernie, we'll consider stopping telling the truth about Hillary. merrily Oct 2015 #14

+1 n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #31

Spot on MissDeeds Oct 2015 #39

I keep telling them that. Bring up this topic re Hillary is just plain dumb imo, because her record sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #63

It's Rovian Swiftboating. Attack your opponent on their strength and your weakness. merrily Oct 2015 #78

Ok, but I plan safeinOhio Oct 2015 #64

How is LGBT rights not an issue, esp. when Bernie has bizarrely been attacked for not being even merrily Oct 2015 #65

+100 HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author Nitram Oct 2015 #72

Please read again. yellerpup Oct 2015 #77

You misread and/or misquoted, which does not give your statements about truth crediblity. merrily Oct 2015 #88

You should vote for Clinton because she has the best chance of beating the GOP. DanTex Oct 2015 #4

But she's not..... daleanime Oct 2015 #5

Yes, she is. DanTex Oct 2015 #6

LOL!! Dawgs Oct 2015 #7

Vote for the Easter Bunny in the primary if you want, just make sure you vote Dem in the general. DanTex Oct 2015 #9

I'll vote for whoever I want .. Dem or otherwise. Dawgs Oct 2015 #18

Isn't it against DU's ToS to advocate voting against the Democrat in an election against non-Dems? LonePirate Oct 2015 #87

I said 'vote for whoever you want'. Dawgs Oct 2015 #98

Ah, the tacit endorsement of the non-Democrat in the race. LonePirate Oct 2015 #108

no fries with that order, thanks restorefreedom Oct 2015 #25

You and me both. That's why I support Clinton. DanTex Oct 2015 #45

then it makes more sense to support sanders restorefreedom Oct 2015 #46

Looks like we have different opinions about electability. It happens. DanTex Oct 2015 #52

i am on the team of reforming our corrupt political system restorefreedom Oct 2015 #55

Me too. Looks like we have a lot in common once we get past the Hillary/Bernie thing. DanTex Oct 2015 #56

i think a lot of dems and progressives restorefreedom Oct 2015 #61

Will you if Bernie wins the Primary? Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #41

Of course. DanTex Oct 2015 #44

Sorry, she has a much worse chance of beating the GOP than does Bernie. merrily Oct 2015 #11

Well, if you really believe that, then you should vote for Bernie. DanTex Oct 2015 #13

There is no doubt that my vote belongs to me and I will use it for Bernie. merrily Oct 2015 #15

I would never issue orders about voting, simply pointing out the obvious. DanTex Oct 2015 #16

Bull puckies. This is a command: merrily Oct 2015 #19

Merely a friendly reminder. It's a little odd that Bernie supporters are so touchy about the DanTex Oct 2015 #20

Ask your English teacher if what you wrote is a command or a friendly reminder. merrily Oct 2015 #23

It was a friendly reminder. We're all progressives here, obviously we are all intending on DanTex Oct 2015 #29

You know that repeating something tediously doesn't make it any less false, right? merrily Oct 2015 #40

Strange non-sequitur. Maybe you responded to the wrong post. DanTex Oct 2015 #42

I don't like her for the presidency. Will vote for her if SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #102

In New Hampshire and Iowa, he is already doing better in general match ups than she is. merrily Oct 2015 #104

Yes, "vote Clinton... Or else" hughee99 Oct 2015 #22

One was Obama; the other is a mash up of DU and Senator McCarthy. merrily Oct 2015 #28

That is illogical. Lunabell Oct 2015 #74

Now that is truly illogical. You see, Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama are different people. DanTex Oct 2015 #81

Yes, Lunabell Oct 2015 #93

I don't know who "they" are. I always thought Obama was the best choice, DanTex Oct 2015 #96

I am gay and there is absolutely NOTHING that would make me support Hillary Clinton. m-lekktor Oct 2015 #8

Good for you. Most people are not that selfless. However, lucky you. Bernie has been on the correct merrily Oct 2015 #12

Decades ago, Sanders supported abolition of ALL laws singling out homosexuals. merrily Oct 2015 #10

Become the law in VT defined marriage as that between a man and a woman dsc Oct 2015 #32

You do KNOW he was not speaking that literally, right? A law that limited marriage merrily Oct 2015 #35

none dsc Oct 2015 #43

I said what Bernie did then and I said what advocacy groups were doing at the time. merrily Oct 2015 #48

His own chief of fucking staff dsc Oct 2015 #50

What reason did Sanders give? merrily Oct 2015 #53

the reason the chief of staff gave for the vote dsc Oct 2015 #95

This B JackInGreen Oct 2015 #17

Because there is always more than just one issue. Gman Oct 2015 #21

Oh Boy - Another Thread to Bash Hillary! Gamecock Lefty Oct 2015 #24

Hypothetical or not, on this issue, there's a big diff between 1992 and 2013. But, you knew that. merrily Oct 2015 #33

Very well said. Times are I can't tell if Hillary is still a Democrat. Laser102 Oct 2015 #59

We don't need hypotheticals. We have actual records. jeff47 Oct 2015 #82

Thank you, GL shenmue Oct 2015 #83

So did Obama, initially. Until he knew it was 'safe' to say otherwise. randome Oct 2015 #26

Some of us "understand politics" a little too well Fumesucker Oct 2015 #37

So Sanders is an outlier. Good on him. I mean that. randome Oct 2015 #58

Leaders ought to lead. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #47

But we haven't had a leader like that for a long time. randome Oct 2015 #54

no, you should vote for clinton restorefreedom Oct 2015 #27

Now that the SCOTUS is done with the issue treestar Oct 2015 #30

The SCOTUS was done with a right to privacy and abortion in the 1970s. Why is it still an issue? merrily Oct 2015 #34

It isn't treestar Oct 2015 #36

A woman's reproductive choice and right to privacy is no longer an issue? LOLOL! merrily Oct 2015 #38

Our laws aren't chiseled into stone tablets and even Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #51

Past performance is indicative of future behavior Prism Oct 2015 #49

Forget it. You'll never understand Third Way logic. Zorra Oct 2015 #57

Dear Mr. Stupidity Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #60

She was against equal marriage. Said so on the floor of the Senate well after DOMA passed. merrily Oct 2015 #68

Bernie was too. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #69

Bull puckies. He voted against DOMA. She supported it. merrily Oct 2015 #70

Your analysis is superficial Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #71

And yours is non-existent. merrily Oct 2015 #79

I do remember. They chucked lgbtq equality Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #84

The truth is Hillary lobbied for DOMA, she advocated against lgbt rights. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #105

Did you support and vote for this man? boston bean Oct 2015 #62

What is disingenuous is to suggest that we had other options. djean111 Oct 2015 #66

Oh, so you were willing to compromise those set in stone principles. boston bean Oct 2015 #73

You really I would support Hillary if it were not for her shifting stances on LGBT rights? djean111 Oct 2015 #75

No, believe me I never thought you would support Hillary. nt boston bean Oct 2015 #100

I did support Hillary in 2008. Blindly. Ignored the "hardworking whites" thing, djean111 Oct 2015 #103

I did whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #76

Well, I assume he voted for Obama. boston bean Oct 2015 #80

Perhaps people have evolved frylock Oct 2015 #99

The only sense I can make out of it is Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #110

Yes. Despite his awful position on equality. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #85

Yes I do have a point. boston bean Oct 2015 #97

I didn't. Do you agree with what he said? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #92

You should support Hillary Clinton because moobu2 Oct 2015 #86

let's see Robbins Oct 2015 #89

As a gay man I always appreciate when people evolve or hrmjustin Oct 2015 #90

obviously many here prefer HC the weathervane v the swami with the funny hairdo stupidicus Oct 2015 #91

No kidding! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #109

Vote for whoever you want, but enough of the frigging melodrama emulatorloo Oct 2015 #94

Thank you! BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #106

Vote for who ever you like in the primary upaloopa Oct 2015 #101

What's your problem? Didn't you see her bartender mea culpa on SNL last weekend? corkhead Oct 2015 #107