2016 Postmortem

thesquanderer

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202. I guess we're both seeing tortured interpretations in the other!

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 05:04 PM

Oct 2015

re: "even under your scenario, he supported civil unions, then evolved into supporting gay marriage, which was the point of the OP article."

Really, I can't imagine anyone taking Bernie Sanders to task for supporting civil unions in 2000 on the basis that he should have been supporting gay marriage instead. Is that your position, are you actually criticizing him for his 2000 support of civil unions?

As I said earlier, it is silly to say that support for one means you couldn't have also supported the other. Many activists were supporters of civil unions, not because they were against gay marriage, but because they thought civil unions were a more immediately acheivable goal, so support for one didn't necessarily mean you didn't also support the other. As also evidenced by the poll numbers I posted, where clearly lots of people supported both, in the same poll.

Support for civil unions simply does not equate to being against gay marriage. And bragging that he supported civil unions in 2000 does not prove that he did or did not support gay marriage in 2000, in 2006, or today. And the only way you get to "did not" is by choosing to change the tense of his answer and then selectively apply it to the portion of the question you choose to apply it to. To me, that's the tortured interpretation!

If you watch the video and want to say he didn't clearly come out in favor of gay marriage when given the opportunity, fine, I'll give you that. But to watch that video and come away thinking that he was actually trying to say that he was against gay marriage is a real stretch, IMO. He certainly didn't criticize MA for doing it.

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SLATE: Bernie Sanders Claims He�s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. [View all] MADem Oct 2015 OP

A blog post? Where are the sources for his quotes? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #1

There's video. nt MADem Oct 2015 #5

Where Bernie says he opposed marriage equality? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #6

Listen to him. He favors CIVIL UNIONS, not marriage. And he says it is a states right issue. MADem Oct 2015 #14

Where does he say he opposes same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #15

You mean the one like Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #226

Marriage used to be a state issue. Ask any professor of family law. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #86

....! KoKo Oct 2015 #227

A flashback moment: Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #185

Wow, he really said that? "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #199

Yes, MADem really said that... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #204

He is a he, at least he said he is. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #205

Ah. MADem's profile page says thesquanderer Oct 2015 #207

I don't specify my gender in my profile either. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #209

You will never know because I will never tell--at least not you. Never have, never will. MADem Oct 2015 #237

I don't think Bernie ever opposed SSM jfern Oct 2015 #16

He never did. The blogger is a liar. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #18

Well, that's bullshit and easily disproved. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #2

Where in that statement does he call for legalizing same-sex marriage? nt pnwmom Oct 2015 #49

Where was the claim made that he called for "legalizing same-sex marriage in that statement"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52

What part of "Let us abolish all laws which attempt to a particular brand of morality or Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #70

Since in later years he said he supported civil unions, not same sex marriage, pnwmom Oct 2015 #116

When did he say he supported one and not the other? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #120

Yes, the everyday movement of 'practices' in state legislatures does not move in a riversedge Oct 2015 #180

Moving goalposts.. deadlinetony Oct 2015 #197

And another Bernie Sanders myth bites the dust... DanTex Oct 2015 #3

Because a blogger says so? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #4

Yes, I'm sure the video there has been doctored... DanTex Oct 2015 #7

Seriously? He didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #8

LOL. This is getting a little ridiculous. DanTex Oct 2015 #10

For the people who are sick of seeing lgbt rights exploited by HC supporters. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #12

No one is looking at the video where he says, plainly, his objection is that it is MADem Oct 2015 #9

I've looked at it 5 times, he didn't want them to overturn states who legalized ssm. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11

"I think the whole issue of marriage is a STATE ISSUE." MADem Oct 2015 #17

Where is the part where he said he opposed same sex marriage like the blogger claims? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #21

Civil unions are not marriage equality. Civil unions are a lesser choice, and that is what he said MADem Oct 2015 #23

Point out the exact part of the video where he says he opposes same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24

I am not going to keep repeating myself, over and over. MADem Oct 2015 #27

You haven't proven your claim yet so I'm going to keep asking for your evidence. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #28

He was asked if he supported *****same sex marriage****** MADem Oct 2015 #39

Where did he say he opposed same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #40

He didn't say he supported it and that's bad enough uponit7771 Oct 2015 #177

He voted against DOMA in 1996 - he supported marriage equality. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #196

NOoooooooo....he has SAID he voted against DOMA because he thought .... wait for it... MADem Oct 2015 #242

Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #243

He ducked the question. He was asked about equality and he pivoted and failed to answer. MADem Oct 2015 #249

So he never said that he opposed marriage equality and the blogger lied. Good to know! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #250

He was asked if he supported *****same sex marriage****** MADem Oct 2015 #251

Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #252

I've answered this question, what--four, five times already? Do you think spamming is a substitute MADem Oct 2015 #253

as beam me up scottie can tell you Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #123

I don't think the author of the piece minds his answer either--what he objects to is the MADem Oct 2015 #127

"as recently as 2006, Sanders OPPOSED marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #131

He did. He said, in 2006, on that video, that he supported CIVIL UNIONS for Vermont. MADem Oct 2015 #132

Where did he say he OPPOSED same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #135

When he answered the question "Do you favor gay marriage" with "I favor civil unions." nt MADem Oct 2015 #138

Where are the words "I oppose same sex marriage"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #139

Ha ha ha! So, if he answers the question "Do you support gay marriage in VT" with the "civil MADem Oct 2015 #141

So that's your fall back? You can't prove your claim and now you're saying it's not enough for me? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #144

This isn't about that video--it's about the one in the OP. nt MADem Oct 2015 #151

Ah, how convenient. You can imply Bernie didn't support ssm but Hillary is off limits? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #152

I am not implying a thing. He was asked a question. He answered it. nt MADem Oct 2015 #154

I think the implication is all of our candidates have "evolved" a bit. Agschmid Oct 2015 #158

Start one if you'd like. I'll be the first to say, flat out, that HRC was slow out of the gate on MADem Oct 2015 #217

That was not the question that Sanders was asked Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #215

Kev, listen to it again. He was running for Senator of VT. The questioner was asking him about MADem Oct 2015 #216

I've played that C-Span segment Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #220

"Do you think that gay people should have the right to get married outside of Massachusetts MADem Oct 2015 #222

I generally agree with you Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #229

Agreed. It is minor--and I think the minor points that the author raises MADem Oct 2015 #230

re: "He replied that he supports civil unions and that is a states right issue. " thesquanderer Oct 2015 #231

He was running for the Senate against a self-funded wealthy Republican MADem Oct 2015 #236

It just can't be done through federal legislation. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #259

Wait a minute--his "position on DOMA" was that "marriage is a STATE issue" -- he MADem Oct 2015 #262

It is the way it is. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #265

Not if you regard it as a human right--like freedom. MADem Oct 2015 #266

If indeed "the state is making one person in our nation 'lesser' than another person" thesquanderer Oct 2015 #268

I see it another way. I think the federal government must speak when it comes to MADem Oct 2015 #269

I'll grant you that that's another legitimate way to look at it. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #270

He was being a politician. And that's fine. He was playing the "art of the possible" MADem Oct 2015 #272

We agree about a lot here. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #280

I see it on both sides. MADem Oct 2015 #281

You've been challenged again. You've come up short again. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #163

Watch the video. LOL at the "big table" attempt at denigration. MADem Oct 2015 #165

Nice try, but no. Come back when you find a blogger who can manage the truth. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #168

I didn't have to "try." And I haven't left so I don't need to "come back." MADem Oct 2015 #169

Why the anger, MADem? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #170

Tee hee!! MADem Oct 2015 #218

Actually no, he did not say "I favor civil unions" thesquanderer Oct 2015 #186

Marriage equality is not a states' rights issue. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #191

Two things... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #194

That is a very tortured interpretation that flies in the face of the plain meaning of what he said. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #201

I guess we're both seeing tortured interpretations in the other! thesquanderer Oct 2015 #202

2006, not 2000. MADem Oct 2015 #273

Not sure of your point here thesquanderer Oct 2015 #275

If he had been saying that in 2000, before CUs became law in VT MADem Oct 2015 #276

He was merely stating his record. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #279

It still doesn't square well with the question asked, which was about marriage and legislative MADem Oct 2015 #282

Yes, we agree he ducked it. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #283

There is no issue that he supported those things. MADem Oct 2015 #284

It doesn't matter that there was no issue that he supported these things. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #285

No, the overstatement is in the "I was always there, I didn't have to evolve" MADem Oct 2015 #287

I provided an alternate reading for that, in post #278. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #288

p.s. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #289

He was consistent in his view that DOMA was a matter for the states, as well. MADem Oct 2015 #290

Given: He felt that DOMA was a matter for the states. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #291

+1,000! nt MADem Oct 2015 #238

Do three things. MADem Oct 2015 #219

I did your exercise thesquanderer Oct 2015 #228

There is a lot to unpack there....let me hit a few high points. MADem Oct 2015 #254

Yes, we agree he ducked the issue thesquanderer Oct 2015 #261

I have enjoyed our conversation. MADem Oct 2015 #274

You on marriage equality and the States: Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #187

There's a difference between expressing what "the reality" was and expressing a personal view on MADem Oct 2015 #271

Another lie about Bernie Sanders is what bit the dust... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #182

BOOM! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #221

Bullshit. Bonobo Oct 2015 #13

He also voted against both DADT and DOMA in the first place jfern Oct 2015 #19

Watch the video. nt MADem Oct 2015 #20

I think that's how Bonobo came to know what's in the video. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #22

Yeah, I urge EVERYONE to watch the video. nt Bonobo Oct 2015 #26

Nothing new there, no smoking gun, no proof of MADem's claim that Bernie opposed ssm. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #29

I was a strong Hillary supporter Puglover Oct 2015 #173

Maybe you should write an OP or three about it! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #203

A video of Abraham Lincoln saying... deadlinetony Oct 2015 #155

EXACTLY-- your words, exactly.... MADem Oct 2015 #25

Did he say "Civil unions--not marriage equality" or are those your words? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #30

He was asked if he supported same sex marriage. He answered that he supports MADem Oct 2015 #41

So he never said what you claim, that he opposed same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44

Actually, they are. All state recognized marriages are civil unions. Each and every one. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #51

If you want to parse it down in that manner, you're welcome to so do. MADem Oct 2015 #63

Wow. Just wow. concreteblue Oct 2015 #106

No, I am not. You can go to the link and watch his answer to the question. MADem Oct 2015 #109

Weak sophistry Fairgo Oct 2015 #193

The 'refutation' didn't refute, though. MADem Oct 2015 #224

Exactly. It was a yes or no question. By saying he supports civil unions, his answer was no. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #115

Bingo--that's precisely it. It's de rigeur to not use "negative" language in debates. MADem Oct 2015 #119

Wrong. He never said he supported one over the other. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #122

Yes he did, by asserting he supported civil unions when asked if he supported ssm. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #126

Where did he say he supported one and not the other? I must have missed it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #130

Why didn't he say YES when asked if he supported ssm? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #136

So you can't prove that claim? Good to know. The op couldn't either. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #137

I did prove the claim, using Sanders' own words. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #140

Which words? Where did he say he opposed same sex marriage? The exact words, please. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #142

I already told you in post 126. You may enjoy repeating yourself but I don't. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #146

I must have missed, it. Did he say he opposed same sex marriage? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #147

You did, but you're not going to get anything but cut-and-paste for your efforts! MADem Oct 2015 #255

Yes, like talking to a broken record. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #258

I love Bernie Sanders... one_voice Oct 2015 #195

Except that being for civil unions does not mean you're against gay marriage. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #188

Except that Sanders was not asked if he supported civil unions. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #192

I find it interesting that you cast it as a negative, MADem Scootaloo Oct 2015 #32

I don't "cast it as a negative." I think that, so long as we are going to be MADem Oct 2015 #46

If it's not a negative, then why are you using it as an attack? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #50

I am not "using it as an attack" either. MADem Oct 2015 #69

It's not snark. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #79

I just posted an article by a gay man who writes for SLATE. MADem Oct 2015 #95

And it's Madem coming around the third leg JackInGreen Oct 2015 #31

LMAO beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #34

Real classy. nt MADem Oct 2015 #47

If you don't like the tilt of my shuttlecock JackInGreen Oct 2015 #74

A scatological badminton reference? How quaint. MADem Oct 2015 #78

No revealing is the continual line of dead-horse OPS JackInGreen Oct 2015 #81

Line of OPs? MADem Oct 2015 #84

You do that JackInGreen Oct 2015 #85

I have no idea what you are talking about. Have a nice night. nt MADem Oct 2015 #104

That makes both of us Homey JackInGreen Oct 2015 #108

LOL! n/t bvf Oct 2015 #64

And at the end of the race passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #92

Jury results: merrily Oct 2015 #117

You sure all 4 of them are racing deadlinetony Oct 2015 #198

Not long ago there were quite a few people against same sex marriage. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #33

He was never opposed to same sex marriage, the blogger lied. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #35

Even better Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #36

Bernie Sanders said same sex marriage was a states rights issue moobu2 Oct 2015 #42

Changed his position from what to what? Where did he say he opposed ssm? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #43

Bernie Sanders said same sex marriage was a states rights issue. moobu2 Oct 2015 #56

Where did he say he opposed marriage equality? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #59

He said he was for civil unions not full marriage equality back in the day. moobu2 Oct 2015 #67

Where did he say he was not for "full marriage equality"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #68

Bernie fans are going to have to retire that camp weathervane meme workinclasszero Oct 2015 #223

Of COURSE he is--that's in the article, too, that he was ahead of the curve as well. nt MADem Oct 2015 #48

The blogger lied: "Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53

According to that Q and A, in 2006, that is an accurate statement. nt MADem Oct 2015 #60

Nope. The blogger lied and your claim that Bernie opposed ssm was false. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62

We will simply have to disagree on that score. MADem Oct 2015 #65

You made a claim and failed to back it up. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #66

No, that's not accurate. I provided an article for comment, and you became angry at me MADem Oct 2015 #71

You posted "It�s Just Not True." And now you're claiming that I "became angry". beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #72

You have a nice evening, now. MADem Oct 2015 #75

Well if you would have answered me I wouldn't have had to keep asking. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77

Of course, but if Hillary changes, murielm99 Oct 2015 #80

Except that Bernie didn't "evolve" since he never opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #82

Sanders evolved as the OP notes. Good for him-and good for Clinton. Nothing wrong with evolving riversedge Oct 2015 #171

Indeed. MADem Oct 2015 #87

Because the author lied. He didn't say he thought Bernie opposed ssm, he stated it as fact. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #88

Hmmm. Your source says Bernie was mayor of Burlington in 1990. He was not. In1988 Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #37

Whole lotta fail in that blog. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #38

You're right--he's not "my" source, though--he's Slate's. nt MADem Oct 2015 #58

You brought it here and presented it as fact so it's your source. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #61

You have a nice evening, now! MADem Oct 2015 #73

Haha desperate shit peddling whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #45

Yup... SoapBox Oct 2015 #55

You're free to disregard it as you wish. nt MADem Oct 2015 #57

gets an E for effort azurnoir Oct 2015 #54

Wow! Some campaign teams are becoming really desperate. Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #76

The writer of that piece is "speaking as a gay man," and he's not fond of ANY of the MADem Oct 2015 #83

Ahah - so it's just me disagreeing with the author on what constitutes Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #105

No--the author's beef is re: honesty. He sums it up in the last paragraph. MADem Oct 2015 #107

How many of our staunch allies were advocating equal marriage rights in 1975? Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #111

The video was from 2006. WAY after DOMA. In 2006 equality WAS on the radar. That's why it was MADem Oct 2015 #112

Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #118

I'm just going to leave this here for the sake of irony: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #89

"It's for the raising for the children for the society..." MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #183

This is absolute bull shit from a poster blocked from the LGBT group. Fearless Oct 2015 #90

Yes, I was blocked for refusing to throw former President Jimmy Carter under the bus. MADem Oct 2015 #93

No, Jimmy Carter said that it should always be left up to the states. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94

You were blocked for causing a ruckus in the group. Fearless Oct 2015 #96

I'm "causing a ruckus" because I posted an article by a gay writer about a candidate for POTUS's MADem Oct 2015 #97

I asked why you posted it Fearless Oct 2015 #98

You accused me of "causing a ruckus." MADem Oct 2015 #101

I certainly did not accuse. Fearless Oct 2015 #102

An article that you do not like is not a synonym for "a false article." nt MADem Oct 2015 #103

When it is full of fact-free lies... deadlinetony Oct 2015 #200

Nothing to be sorry for--that article is fact based. I'm not beating a horse, but MADem Oct 2015 #213

unrec for BS. 840high Oct 2015 #91

Hillary supported the Iraq War and Live and Learn Oct 2015 #99

HRC supporters are running scared mentalslavery Oct 2015 #100

Sanders loves him some "states' rights." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #110

Hillary asserted states' rights re: gun control - are you going to compare her to racists too? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #113

Wrong. Hillary did not invoke "states' rights." Sanders repeatedly does. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #128

Those aren't her words? Which part of what she said doesn't assert states' rights? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #134

Seems to be a pattern. ucrdem Oct 2015 #114

I just had this image flash before my eyes LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #121

Are you as tired of seeing women and minorities exploited as I am? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #124

Definitely, it the tactic of someone with no real argument of their own LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #125

He just won't listen, lgbt people have told him so IN THIS THREAD and he refuses to see it. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #129

Thanks for kicking the thread. The gay author of the blog IS right. The video doesn't lie. nt MADem Oct 2015 #143

The blogger lied: "Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #145

He is not a "blogger" -- he is a SLATE writer who reports on LGBT and Law issues--and his report is MADem Oct 2015 #148

I know what question was asked, I know far more about this than you do apparently. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #149

The video is the video, and the words are the words. nt MADem Oct 2015 #150

His report claims Bernie was Mayor of Burlington in 1990 which he was not. This is one of the few Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #189

Hillary supporters love to parrot every lie the media makes up about Bernie jfern Oct 2015 #133

Yet Another Baseless Bernie Attack cantbeserious Oct 2015 #153

Great Article Gothmog Oct 2015 #156

When you have a video of bernie saying marriage should be only between a man and a woman, get back djean111 Oct 2015 #157

That's not what this thread is about. Why even ask for something like that? MADem Oct 2015 #160

Whatever Bernie said, it was not as bad as Hillary's "marriage is only between a man and a woman" djean111 Oct 2015 #161

That's certainly true. But that's not the point of the article, either. nt MADem Oct 2015 #162

The point of the article is to somehow make it appear that Hillary is better on gay rights than djean111 Oct 2015 #164

Absolutely not--this writer has gone after Clinton too (and plenty of people yelling MADem Oct 2015 #166

Sanders has evolved on gay marriage just like Hillary did. End of story. riversedge Oct 2015 #175

Please provide evidence where Sanders has said: "Marriage is between a man and a woman." Armstead Oct 2015 #176

ah, I do not have to. Evolving does not mean specific words that one has said. It is movement from riversedge Oct 2015 #181

^^THAT^^ MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #184

Another Catch 22 moving goalposts Armstead Oct 2015 #159

Boom. I'm votin' for Bernie Sanders. #feelinthefuckingBern cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #167

And another poster is added to my list of "Don't bother reading his/her crap." (eom) mak3cats Oct 2015 #172

excellent restorefreedom Oct 2015 #174

Hmmm...he evolved on the issue Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #178

WOW, this whole thread is like arguing about what the meaning of "is", is tularetom Oct 2015 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author thesquanderer Oct 2015 #190

For everyone who believes this crap here is the transcript: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #206

You should include the question that was asked--that makes a difference. nt MADem Oct 2015 #208

Please point out in that text where he said he opposes same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #210

Put the question that was asked in front of your quote and it's apparent to everyone. MADem Oct 2015 #211

That's what I thought. Aaaaaaaaand we're all done here folks! Nothing to see. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #212

Funny how you refuse to do that. You keep avoiding simply putting the question down ahead of MADem Oct 2015 #214

I think MADem has started to come around. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #232

I'll believe it when he admits that Bernie never said he opposed same sex marriage. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #233

Btw, excellent work in this thread! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #234

Thank you, I very much appreciate that! (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2015 #264

"Ducking the question" is the same as "Being politically expedient." MADem Oct 2015 #256

I mostly agree. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #263

The full-throated support comes from the "I didn't have to evolve--I was there" remarks he has MADem Oct 2015 #267

"I didn't have to evolve--I was there" is not the exact quote. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #278

There is only one thing I'm more tired of than the 'state's rights' excuse and that is... wyldwolf Oct 2015 #225

Jimmy Carter, Mr. Habitat For Humanity, was named Asshole of the Year for not being "correct" MADem Oct 2015 #239

Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #240

Read the link at post 242. He DUCKED the question. MADem Oct 2015 #244

So he never said he opposed same sex marriage. Thanks! I suppose you'll be deleting this op? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #246

Show me in that video where he says--in answer to the QUESTION he was asked--that he supports it. MADem Oct 2015 #257

Real strange to see states rights advocacy workinclasszero Oct 2015 #241

State's rights advocacy? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #245

From the OP's post... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #247

The blogger lied. Unless you can point out where Bernie said he opposed marriage equality: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #248

i think what we see being displayed rather starkly is.. DianeK Oct 2015 #286

Who gives a damn what a lying blogger with an agenda said? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #260

More lies from the group that lies constantly on DU. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #235

Longer than Hillary would be irrefutable . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #277