2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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54. I know, it's just a bucket full o tee hees. Honestly, ive assumed from the get go that HRC would

Tue Oct 6, 2015, 04:09 PM

Oct 2015

Probably be the nominee.

So if you're expecting to see me weep on MSNBC on super tuesday, you will be disappointed.

Sometimes i think my estimation of her chances is greater than the secret fears of some of her more "enthusiastic" backers here- otherwise how to explain the full court press here, throwing every random fucking thing at the wall against bernie sanders (and his supporters) .. Seems a little desperate, for people claiming such certainty and "inevitability".

I get it, some folks are still traumatized by 2008 or otherwise nursing random grudges or deep personal issues that have diddly to do with next years election. Still, the rational response would be "glad Sanders is in the mix, he is elevating the terms of the discussion"

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Very liberal voters prefer Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders [View all] Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 OP

Bull shit Fearless Oct 2015 #1

Perfect Bernie Fan Response Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #4

What the fuck? Fearless Oct 2015 #7

when you claim a pollsters results are egregiously wrong, you call into question their competence as Bill USA Oct 2015 #70

Sorry, I'm perfectly in my right to call BS on a pollster Fearless Oct 2015 #90

The truth...it BURNS! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #12

PPP was the most accurate pollster during the 2012 presidential election cycle Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #9

... Fearless Oct 2015 #10

So you also support PPP's findings that very liberal voters prefer Hillary over Bernie? nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #11

I wish that poster would come back and say yes. Otherwise...well, you know randys1 Oct 2015 #59

That poster works for a living mr smarmy Fearless Oct 2015 #91

No Coke The River Oct 2015 #2

Quick, somebody post an online poll to refute this! Metric System Oct 2015 #3

Ha, they got nothing Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #5

How about another poll from the same group? Fearless Oct 2015 #8

LOLZ workinclasszero Oct 2015 #13

Why? The OP's poll is an online poll. jeff47 Oct 2015 #26

There's a difference between a scientific and unscientific online poll. Besides, 80% of respondents Metric System Oct 2015 #30

Interviewed by phone. As in, land lines? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #31

Yep. This poll is 80% landline, 20% online. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #34

omfg. bunnies Oct 2015 #55

Where are you seeing 80% landline? Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #71

Read the questions in the poll. jeff47 Oct 2015 #79

It's a scientific poll. PPP had the best track record in 2012. What more can I say to someone who Metric System Oct 2015 #35

Im not in charge of figuring out what you should say. Thats your job. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #38

That is taken into account by polling companies. Metric System Oct 2015 #41

Right. As noted elsewhere in this thread, the sample size is 132 people. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #42

The total sample size is 551. Your numbers are off. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #43

Ok, fine. 132 very liberal people, which was what your OP header was about. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #48

You're certainly entitled to your opinion Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #49

I know, it's just a bucket full o tee hees. Honestly, ive assumed from the get go that HRC would Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #54

What makes you think PPP only polled landlines? Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #76

HAHA! Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #39

LOL! Dawgs Oct 2015 #6

That senior poll is what's going to be Sanders down fall bigdarryl Oct 2015 #14

Well, I am only one voter. But I am female and older, and also very liberal. I like Bernie. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #15

So you are part of the 41% of very liberal voters who prefer Bernie! Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #18

Indeed, I am! CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #22

Ditto, but just olaint old and not older! n/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #61

HAAAAAAAAAAA montanacowboy Oct 2015 #16

Not according to PPP who was the most accurate pollster in 2012. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #24

lol AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #17

Bwahahaha... 99Forever Oct 2015 #19

This very liberal senior citizen prefers Sanders. So does my very liberal senior citizen wife. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #20

Define "very liberal" for us eh? azurnoir Oct 2015 #21

Here's the polling methodology Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #25

Does not relate to my question by what metric(s) is very liberal defined azurnoir Oct 2015 #36

Great question, here is how I would define VERY liberal: randys1 Oct 2015 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #23

Of the whopping 132 very liberal people polled, 59 supported Clinton. jeff47 Oct 2015 #27

132 "very liberal people" who answered their land lines. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #40

Hey, they could have been in the 20% that responded to a spam email (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #45

Why would liberals support a conservative? Makes no fucking sense. bowens43 Oct 2015 #28

Name recognition + nostalgia for the last time things seemed to go halfway right in the US. nt tblue37 Oct 2015 #37

Hillary Clinton to Millennial college students last month:"thank you for supporting me in '08" Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #44

Are you saying there is little to no difference between HRC and Ted Cruz? randys1 Oct 2015 #64

I do??? daleanime Oct 2015 #29

45% prefer Hillary and 41% prefer Bernie Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #32

This has to be pure bullshit INdemo Oct 2015 #33

It's not the same "news wave". It's the same poll. jeff47 Oct 2015 #47

Not statistically significant jfern Oct 2015 #46

I am very tired bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #50

Do I need to turn in my badge? CanadaexPat Oct 2015 #51

Who defined "very liberal" for that poll? elleng Oct 2015 #52

The person responding to the question. jeff47 Oct 2015 #56

Gotcha. So it means nothing. elleng Oct 2015 #58

Thanks, I was going to ask this MuseRider Oct 2015 #65

PERFECT! elleng Oct 2015 #67

Margin of error in the poll is +/- 4.2% Kelvin Mace Oct 2015 #53

No, that's the MOE on all 551 people surveyed. There were only 132 "very liberal" people surveyed jeff47 Oct 2015 #57

Ah, missed that. Kelvin Mace Oct 2015 #60

Good point. But a dead heat would still surprise those who enjoy imagining Hortensis Oct 2015 #72

Bwahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha!!!!! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #63

Lots of people think they're very liberal... MellowDem Oct 2015 #66

Jez I thought Bernie had the younger voters by millions! FloridaBlues Oct 2015 #68

Maybe not the younger voters who answer polls on their land line. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #69

61% white, 21% African American, 12% Hispanic polled? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #73

I have a hunch that the category of 'very liberal' was TransitJohn Oct 2015 #74

But Bernie gets the socialist vote!! DCBob Oct 2015 #75

Any poll not favorable to Bernie redstateblues Oct 2015 #80

how did this poll define liberal DonCoquixote Oct 2015 #77

I have a friend who is not so political but considers herself a liberal kimbutgar Oct 2015 #78

I used to call myself a moderate ibegurpard Oct 2015 #81

All major polling firms use self-identification to determine affiliation Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #82

yes ibegurpard Oct 2015 #88

And who determines what questions to ask and which responses will be classified as Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #89

Great, who gives a fuck? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #83

Surely you'd say the same thing if a poll showed Bernie leading Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #84

What I believe is not affected by poll position. Polls have, do, and will change. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #85

thereby blowing up another lie from the hillarians Doctor_J Oct 2015 #86

Depends On Your Definition Of "Liberal"... Don't It ??? WillyT Oct 2015 #87

Yeah, i noticed that Spirochete Oct 2015 #92

Meth is a horrible drug. Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #93

Very few liberal voters prefer Hillary Clinton's stances over Bernie Sander's stances mhatrw Oct 2015 #94

Which poll are you referencing? nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #95