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Cheese Sandwich

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50. Whoa. This right here.

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:13 PM

Oct 2015

Why isn't everyone asking that?

Other people were supposedly jumping to conclusions by deciding before the agreement was released.

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The difference between principled opposition to the TPP vs. opposing this particular deal today [View all] Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 OP

What I find truly amazing is that, evidently, Hillary's "stance" on the TPP was supposed djean111 Oct 2015 #1

I think a lot of her stances are Blus4u Oct 2015 #22

Clinton declared before Sanders. aidbo Oct 2015 #39

It's all political calculation azmom Oct 2015 #51

True kenfrequed Oct 2015 #2

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Remind me please, what "labor experts" were involved in creating this treaty? Scuba Oct 2015 #6

Also, who were the "environmental experts"? Divernan Oct 2015 #30

Barack? Is that you? pipoman Oct 2015 #7

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I expect corpratist bullshit on Discussionist.... pipoman Oct 2015 #11

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Maybe, but at what cost? zalinda Oct 2015 #40

They used to have to have MORE consensus with a 2/3rds vote to pass TREATIES, NOT "agreements"... cascadiance Oct 2015 #47

Secretly negotiated Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #14

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blogged the entire process? Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #17

And our foreign trade also fuels a large percentage of our huge, out-of-control trade deficit. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #24

Thank you for the mealy-mouthed conservative talking points. Maedhros Oct 2015 #41

We are not allowed to see the Drafts fasttense Oct 2015 #42

It's a bit late, isn't it, after YEARS of denying the American people the right to see what these sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #46

What's the 4th word on page 37 of the not-secret agreement? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #49

excellent explanation. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #4

Principled means knowing enough about TPP to make an informed judgement. DanTex Oct 2015 #5

She advocated for it repeatedly over the years. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #27

There is no "it." She advocated for a fair trade deal with the Pacific Rim, which included DanTex Oct 2015 #35

She talked frequently and specifically about the TPP JDPriestly Oct 2015 #36

Yes. She did advocate for this treaty which from the get-go was planned to have the trade JDPriestly Oct 2015 #64

She expressed her concerns very early in the year: Metric System Oct 2015 #8

ISDS Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #21

This flipflop should end her candidacy pipoman Oct 2015 #9

Her frequent flip-flops on major issues makes it very unlikely that she can prevail in the general JDPriestly Oct 2015 #29

I agree. Stupid move for her to make. azmom Oct 2015 #52

triangulating in the wind nt LWolf Oct 2015 #12

To oppose a trade agreement because it is a trade agreement is superficial opposition. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #16

TPP is not a trade agreement. It is a corporate rights agreement. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #18

The agreement can be amended with protections added. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #19

Would you provide me with the content of the agreement? You seem to know a lot about it. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #20

Ditto to that! SoapBox Oct 2015 #25

No. It cannot. The GOP and some DINOs provided Obama with the Fast Track that he djean111 Oct 2015 #28

No amendments allowed! The whole purpose of Fast Track was to avoid amendments. Divernan Oct 2015 #31

We need trade, but we need also to be able to say no or impose specific import taxes on JDPriestly Oct 2015 #32

We need to trade. We also need to retain and protect our right to refuse to trade with JDPriestly Oct 2015 #38

Ah, fair trade. How lovely it would be. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #43

Thanks. Your comment is excellent. So true. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #62

Indeed. I often think of self-fulfilling prophecies. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #65

No....These "free trade" packages suck on principle Armstead Oct 2015 #44

Or maybe she was very REASONABLY waiting to see if the document pnwmom Oct 2015 #23

The document that hasn't been released yet? jeff47 Oct 2015 #26

Presumably she has more connections than we do. pnwmom Oct 2015 #33

So someone in the Obama administration leaked a classified document to her? jeff47 Oct 2015 #37

Whoa. This right here. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #50

She is a former SoS, probably with security clearance. Wouldn't Obama himself pnwmom Oct 2015 #54

Security clearances end when you no longer have a job that requires one. jeff47 Oct 2015 #55

Then she's being leaked to on the same basis that Paul Krugman is being leaked to. pnwmom Oct 2015 #56

No, Krugman has repeatedly said he is going off what has been made public. You are claiming jeff47 Oct 2015 #57

Krugman says that he's been hearing new details, so presumably she has, too. pnwmom Oct 2015 #58

He shows where he has been "hearing" them, and it's public sources. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #60

There is a video posted on DU that features her talking about the TPP many times over the JDPriestly Oct 2015 #34

Many don't really, they have emotional attachment to a personal narrative and/or are sold on a brand TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #45

Very true. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #61

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #48

Can she ever choose the correct position the first time? EEO Oct 2015 #53

She is all for it, but the wind is against it. mhatrw Oct 2015 #59

Easy... votes. Fearless Oct 2015 #63