2016 Postmortem

magical thyme

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31. I reply only to correct the blatant lies

Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:02 PM

Oct 2015

Bernie was elected in 1990.

The NRA backed him because in the prior 1988 election, his opponent lied and said he would oppose a ban on semiautomatic weapons and then betrayed his constituency the following year by co-sponsoring a ban on semiautomatic weapons. Bernie at least was honest about supporting the ban.

The Brady Bill was written in 1991 and first brought up for vote in 1993. Bernie had already been in Congress for 3 years when it came up for vote. He had promised Vermonters that he would oppose a waiting period to buy guns, because they didn't want a waiting period. He also opposed a republican proposal to ban all waiting periods. He instead favored background checks and letting states decide on waiting periods.

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Bernie Sanders� critics misfire: The Vermont senator�s gun record is better than it looks [View all] magical thyme Oct 2015 OP

K&R Time_Lord Oct 2015 #1

Oh, it'll be recycled. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #3

Kickety rec nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #2

and a Reckity kick Hiraeth Oct 2015 #96

Some of them even resorted to lying about this. In an OP, no less. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #4

So true Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #5

So, he voted against the Brady Bill for the rights of sportsmen? leftofcool Oct 2015 #6

And Hillary voted for the Iraq war. zalinda Oct 2015 #9

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #13

When you count all the murders and suicides in this country over the past several years, shenmue Oct 2015 #41

Murder is murder. zalinda Oct 2015 #48

Oh, so innocent Iraqi civilians don't count as people who died??? cui bono Oct 2015 #109

And he voted to protect gun manufacturers. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #10

His vote was consistent with our law on other products. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #36

Well i think he got it wrong. Sorry but the gun issue is not a distraction. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #38

He supports a lot of what people love to call "common sense gun control" DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #86

I am glad you are happy with your candidate. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #87

and I am happy you are glad. Hiraeth Oct 2015 #97

Glad we are all glad. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #99

me too, about time Hiraeth Oct 2015 #100

Are knife manufacturers sued when moondust Oct 2015 #59

You can see his vote as a good thing if you want. I don't! hrmjustin Oct 2015 #60

Not saying it's a good thing. moondust Oct 2015 #62

No but i would not protect them from lawsuits. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #63

Then you would also not protect moondust Oct 2015 #66

I am talking about the gun industry. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #69

And I'm talking about manufacturers in general. moondust Oct 2015 #71

No such bills made it to Congress. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #75

? moondust Oct 2015 #82

The product must be unreasonably dangerous. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #85

Dunno. moondust Oct 2015 #90

I agree with you. The Second Amendment is an anachronism . SunSeeker Oct 2015 #92

Well i can't speak to the other manufacturers. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #79

why not? Hiraeth Oct 2015 #98

They can still be sued if they manufacture a defective product or break the law. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #67

I would not have voted for the law. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #70

And you're not a member of congress so it doesn't matter. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #74

Yes but since I am on a political message board I am giving my opinion. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #80

And I gave you my opinion of your opinion. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #81

Take care. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #83

No use trying. This is about all they have to criticize Sen Sanders. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #93

How, exactly? Link? cui bono Oct 2015 #110

he voted the will of his constituency, which was *all* of Vermont, not just extreme left cityfolk. magical thyme Oct 2015 #11

He voted against the Brady bill because he wanted background checks instead of a 3 day Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #12

That makes no sense. Why can't you have both? nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #14

Guess you had to be there during the negotiations. Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #16

Negotiations? You mean he negotiated with the NRA? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #22

Bernie got into Congress in 1990. The Brady Bill was written in 1991. magical thyme Oct 2015 #25

See post 35. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #37

see post 43. magical thyme Oct 2015 #44

He negotiated with the opposition in Congress on the bill, that is why it was a "bill". Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #30

The "opposition" being gun control proponents? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #40

Ask the authors of the Brady Bill and the Supreme Court. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #45

Oh please, we have no comprehensive national background checks, no AWB. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #68

Amazing to me DemByDefault Oct 2015 #7

She voted against the PLCAA gift to gun manufacturers; he voted for it. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #17

Noone helped bolster firearms sales DemByDefault Oct 2015 #19

No, sadly, what is bolstering gun sales is the paranoia marketed by gun manufacturers & the NRA. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #88

Her 2008 campaign was racist and offensive DemByDefault Oct 2015 #105

Riiiight. That's why John Lewis endorsed her. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #111

You understand I was summarizing her campaign DemByDefault Oct 2015 #107

That is not summarizing. That is offensive lying to score cheap political points. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #108

Please.. DemByDefault Oct 2015 #115

Spoken like someone caught saying racially offensive shit. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #116

Keith Olbermann: The Clintons and race: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #117

That's Keith's opinion. I'll go with John Lewis' opinion. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #120

You tried to bully that poster and make it look like they were lying about the Clintons' campaign. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #121

I'm not bullying anyone. You, on the other hand, have followed me all over this thread with insults SunSeeker Oct 2015 #122

Not anymore you're not. That poster has just as much right to their opinion as you do. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #123

That was an offensive, inaccurate claim of fact, not an opinion. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #124

Nope, my "mission" as it were, is setting the record straight. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #125

Well then we have a shared mission. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #126

My god your pettiness is absurd DemByDefault Oct 2015 #127

Calling out offensive lies is not being "petty" nor "absurd." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #129

Your idol DemByDefault Oct 2015 #135

I don't idolize politicians. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #138

So he voted against the bill before he was in Congress? jeff47 Oct 2015 #20

Apparently, per Sseeker, he voted against it before it was written. magical thyme Oct 2015 #26

"That fart's so bad you can smell it before it was let." Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #54

I never said he "voted against it before it was written." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #89

What? He voted for the PLCAA when he was in Congress. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #27

Read your own post. jeff47 Oct 2015 #29

He promised he would vote against waiting periods and he did. Twice. Second one being in Brady. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #35

Check it out. zalinda Oct 2015 #42

wrong. He voted against the federally mandated waiting period. magical thyme Oct 2015 #43

Thanks, I meant waiting periods, as stated in the text of my post. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #58

Why oppose a universal national waiting period? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #84

Nope! But good job catapulting the propaganda. jeff47 Oct 2015 #55

See post 58 and 34. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #61

Really? You might want to tell the Colorado couple jeff47 Oct 2015 #94

That is not what I nor they agreed to. That arms industry pushed those fees provisions. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #95

Why would they stop? jeff47 Oct 2015 #101

The AR-15 with a 100-round mag is an unreasonably dangerous product. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #112

In the last decade, an AR-15 with 100-round mag has killed 10 people. jeff47 Oct 2015 #114

You think they'd just give up. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #118

AR-15s have no business in civilian hands. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #119

Hey! Where'd those goalposts go? jeff47 Oct 2015 #131

Nonsense. It is the gun mfrs' scheme to bankrupt gun victims for having the temerity to sue them. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #133

Could you point to where the victims are required to file suits they know will fail? jeff47 Oct 2015 #134

Can you point me to the provision that REQUIRES gun mfrs to collect arty fees from the victims? SunSeeker Oct 2015 #136

You do realize you have to pay your own lawyers in a lawsuit, right? jeff47 Oct 2015 #137

Again, cite the provision that REQUIRES gun mfrs to collect $200k from the victims. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #139

So no, you do not understand that you have to pay your own lawyers. jeff47 Oct 2015 #140

Only the gun companies are going after the Aurora victims for $200k in attorneys fees. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #141

My solution is to require gun owners to pay for insurance for their guns -- just like we do with JDPriestly Oct 2015 #50

what is amazing is not believing his record.Iraq war = Hillary. Iran etc= hillary roguevalley Oct 2015 #21

Um, he was already in Congress before the Brady Bill existed magical thyme Oct 2015 #23

Um, he voted against the expanded Brady Bill in 1993, after he got into Congress. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #34

You claimed Bernie got into Congress (in 1990) based on support for a bill written in 91. magical thyme Oct 2015 #39

I did not claim Bernie got into Congress based on support for a bill written in 91. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #51

LMAO! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #47

Nope. Did not get anyone refuting any of my facts. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #49

Your "facts"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52

Yes, facts. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #64

These were your "facts": beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #65

He did vote against the Brady Bill. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #72

And you keep digging... Didn't you do the same thing when you accused a woman of mansplaining? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #73

So you have nothing you can point to in the Washington Post article as being wrong. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #76

You're the one trying to deflect from your made up facts about when and why he was elected. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #77

Nope, just restating what was in the Washington Post article. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #78

Doesn't Bernie... zentrum Oct 2015 #8

an "F" according to "On the Issues" magical thyme Oct 2015 #18

His record and positions ibegurpard Oct 2015 #15

So he's too far left, or not leftie enuf? DemByDefault Oct 2015 #24

Oh, come on - if it wasn't gunz it would be something else. In fact, it WILL be something else. djean111 Oct 2015 #28

I reply only to correct the blatant lies magical thyme Oct 2015 #31

Oh, this was not really aimed at you. djean111 Oct 2015 #32

I know... just got carried away magical thyme Oct 2015 #33

Both will be good for gun owners. Not a big deal. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #46

Considering that Bernie earns a D-/F from the NRA Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #53

MSM is trying to resurrect Gunz as an issue it once dominated 30 yrs. ago... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #56

I like the title, looks like all of the HC supporters who called Bernie a gun nut were firing duds. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #57

misfire sounds like a mistake. What the hillarians are doing Doctor_J Oct 2015 #91

Nice work, thank you for posting this. CentralMass Oct 2015 #102

Excellent explanation of his position. ozone_man Oct 2015 #103

The lie with impunity. Does anyone really pay attention to these smear campaigns anymore? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #104

The accusations are hyperbolic to flat-out lies because they have little else to attack him on. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #106

Did he vote for the Brady Bill? Did he vote with the Democrats? George II Oct 2015 #113

This is being brought up by either Clinton surrogates or shady super PACs. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #128

It was never about Bernie's record, just right-wing smears to support a right-wing "Democrat." Scuba Oct 2015 #130

He has been consistent on this subject............................ turbinetree Oct 2015 #132