2016 Postmortem

PatrickforO

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336. Uh, these links are not mutually exclusive.

Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:38 PM

Oct 2015

In other words, someone from a mostly rural state can oppose strict gun control to favor hunters while at the same time working to ban assault weapons. I mean, I can understand you're for Clinton, and that's cool. Fair enough. But, honestly, these two links are misleading. Bernie hasn't changed his mind.

An example: here's what the WaPo article says about Sanders and assault weapons: "He's consistently supported a ban on assault weapons." I shouldn't have to point out that this is identical with the news.yahoo article headline.

As to gun control, just as honestly, it isn't my main issue. I guess I'm just not a one-issue type of voter. What I'm supporting Bernie for is that I like his stances on the following:
1. Raising minimum wage
2. Free tuition at state colleges and universities
3. Strengthening Social Security by removing the payroll tax cap
4. Defeating the Trans-Pacific Partnership "free" trade treaty
5. Single-payer healthcare system
6. Using the purchasing power of single payer to negotiate hospital and drug costs down
7. Upholding net neutrality
8. Revising the US corporate tax code to get at the $2 trillion in untaxed profits offshore
9. Raising the top tax rate on the wealthy
10. Keeping the estate tax, and increasing it for larger estates
11. Taxing capital gains as regular income
12. Preserving access to abortions and contraception

Well, that's just a few, but I think I got the main ones. Now, let's revisit gun control: To my mind, instituting the 12 things I've listed here will remove much of the economic stress that currently oppresses millions of Americans. Alleviating this stress may (and I stress the word 'may') indirectly reduce the incidence of gun violence, and in a related issue, may also indirectly reduce the incidence of mental illness - though this would be very difficult to prove. There have been some promising studies done with living conditions and rats, for instance.

So, your OP hasn't really done much to sway me at all. I'm still for Bernie.

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I love it. The same weekend Sanders flip flops on gun control is the weekend Sanders supporters [View all] stevenleser Oct 2015 OP

Let me commend you on keeping cool on a clear attempt to bait you. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #1

We appreciate you demonstrating Bernie's electability Fumesucker Oct 2015 #2

Bernie lost my vote when he trashed the President... chillfactor Oct 2015 #6

He did not trash him Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #29

And said they were friends and he like him very much. bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #403

When did he trash him? Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #41

For one, when he suggested primarying Obama. n/t murielm99 Oct 2015 #95

Boom! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #173

Why would anyone primary a good Democrat!!! MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #207

Whoomp! There it is! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #210

Yup.... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #222

"Not sure I trust your assessments." MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #261

Hillary never voted for a Republican that we know. She wasn't eligible in a Presidential til 1972. Zen Democrat Oct 2015 #289

The video headline is incorrect, or at least incomplete - BACK IN THE 1980s! In fact... George II Oct 2015 #300

To create a dialogue from the LEFT Time_Lord Oct 2015 #286

It did NOT make sense at the time. murielm99 Oct 2015 #323

You know, that seems to me to be one of those statements that often gets twisted around to read PatrickforO Oct 2015 #338

I have made it clear that I am not a Bernie supporter. murielm99 Oct 2015 #407

The point of living in a democracy is to have as many choices as possible. Exilednight Oct 2015 #392

Neva happened! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #305

Wow, then you must not be aware of how H is artislife Oct 2015 #131

Trashing? Bernie must be pretty desperate sending his supporters out to... Walk away Oct 2015 #299

Well, in fairness, Walk Away is just as correct in making this assertion as PatrickforO Oct 2015 #339

What does that have to do with Bernie promising not to attack his opponent.... Walk away Oct 2015 #359

"he condones people like you stretching the truth and spreading it all over the internet?" WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #398

I represent Bernie Sanders as much as you represent Hillary Clinton. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #397

LOL!!! Oh yeah,...Hillary NEVER trashed Obama! Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #166

Congratulations on joining the not at all suspiciously large group of current DU Hillary supporters merrily Oct 2015 #238

Well isn't that special? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #249

Cool story, bro (nt) jack_krass Oct 2015 #401

So many of us are relived to have Bernie demonstrate Sheepshank Oct 2015 #226

Still hanging onto that one? treestar Oct 2015 #263

Do you know longer believe that Hillary lied? And, if so why. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #3

I answered that in my endorsement. So what about this Sanders flip flop? stevenleser Oct 2015 #4

No you did not answer that in you endorsement. Do you still believe that Hillary lied. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #14

Yes, I answered that in my endorsement. Now what about this Bernie flip flop? nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #17

Do you still believe Hillary lied . Quote that passage in your endorsement. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #20

Sure. Once I do that will you repudiate Bernie for flip flopping? nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #21

This will be fun. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #27

So is that a yes or a no? nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #32

Fox tactic: if I agree to prove that what I claim is true, will you promise to make claims you know DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #48

You mean like when Bernie is on Fox? stevenleser Oct 2015 #50

Deflect much? Any person with integrity, especially one who considers themselves a political pundit, cui bono Oct 2015 #133

What simple question is that? nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #135

Luminous Animal's question that s/he has had to repeat multiple times: cui bono Oct 2015 #137

And I have repeated my answer several times. I responded to that in my endorsement. stevenleser Oct 2015 #139

So quote it. LA says it's not in there. Why can't you provide proof? cui bono Oct 2015 #143

Here it is... stevenleser Oct 2015 #144

"Why was it so difficult for you to figure this out? " cui bono Oct 2015 #148

I don't like the term flip-flop, unless it's done for political reasons passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #221

"I began to suspect my evaluation of her was incorrect." frylock Oct 2015 #321

That doesn't address whether you still think that she lied. Vattel Oct 2015 #351

Being graceful in defeat doesn't negate what you thought she lied about prior. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #390

Well, the posters above are deflecting treestar Oct 2015 #264

Fox tactic: ignore the question you don't want to answer; then make a counter accusation. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #26

You mean like when Bernie is on Fox? stevenleser Oct 2015 #31

Jealous that he's getting more air time? ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2015 #40

Oh no, I support him going on Fox just as I supported him going to Liberty University. stevenleser Oct 2015 #46

Personally, I'm loving the heck out of this kerfluffle Aerows Oct 2015 #70

A lot of her supporters know she's lying jfern Oct 2015 #73

As am I. And you have so many incorrect items in your post its hard to get to them all. stevenleser Oct 2015 #78

Talk to me on Tuesday night, after the debate. Aerows Oct 2015 #81

It will have to be Wednesday, but absolutely! stevenleser Oct 2015 #86

Excellent, we can continue this conversation then! Aerows Oct 2015 #91

Check it out. bvf Oct 2015 #246

Cool. I would love to hear what the people at the event ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #269

THIS is a (mostly) intellectually-honest debate tactic. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #132

I'm so glad you approve. Have you apologized for being on both sides of five issues that I listed stevenleser Oct 2015 #140

Intellectually-dishonest debate tactics 24 (Innuendo) and 25 (Insinuation) DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #176

at least he agrees to go on TV Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #47

See my #46. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #59

Rather disingenuous treestar Oct 2015 #266

Might have something to do with drawing a paycheck leftupnorth Oct 2015 #316

What is wrong with being paid for one's time? treestar Oct 2015 #346

You're on the right track! leftupnorth Oct 2015 #348

Like the question in the OP? treestar Oct 2015 #265

If you can show a flip flop on Sanders' part, you might have a point. But you cannot. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #267

How delusional and self important does someone think they are morningfog Oct 2015 #252

show us exactly where Sanders flip flopped please both your May article and the link from that say azurnoir Oct 2015 #52

smear Sanders as ProGun AlbertCat Oct 2015 #130

it seems the flinging never stops but nothing ever sticks either azurnoir Oct 2015 #141

How can his his position not changing be called a flip flop? Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #5

That you are trying to claim that is hilarious!!! stevenleser Oct 2015 #8

that was 2013... chillfactor Oct 2015 #10

The OP was Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #25

that was 2013... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #159

Not only that, he's going back to 1990, which was even before passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #235

+1 I wish everyone would just ignore his false accusations and let his posts (and other writings) Live and Learn Oct 2015 #388

Quit lying, Sanders voted for an assault weapon ban 2.5 years ago jfern Oct 2015 #7

and this is 2015... chillfactor Oct 2015 #15

The OP said this weeekend Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #28

You know when Hillary lost my vote? When she voted for the Iraq War. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #389

He voted for an assault weapons ban in 1994 as well. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37

So the OP thinks it's a huge deal jfern Oct 2015 #42

Well he does get paid by Fox. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #43

Figures jfern Oct 2015 #49

Ouch Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #51

No the OP wants others to think that also note the OP also writes for OpEd news azurnoir Oct 2015 #352

But he voted against the Brady Bill before that treestar Oct 2015 #296

Because the Brady bill contained more than an assault weapons ban. jeff47 Oct 2015 #310

It would be a flip flop... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #315

This is how it goes for BS supporters.. it's ok for him to change his mind. It's not ok for you or Cha Oct 2015 #9

And this is how it goes for Clinton supporters: Scootaloo Oct 2015 #45

Bernie and Trump are both hate? passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #236

You mean like how you once called Hillary "morally depraved"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #82

Wow, talk about a flip flop davidpdx Oct 2015 #99

When HC supporters evolve they REALLY evolve. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #103

just like someone else I know, mmmmmm Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #109

From "hilary is morally depraved" to host of the Hillary Clinton Group. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #400

And they seem to start lying themselves, too jfern Oct 2015 #106

Haha!!!! Flip-Flop 840high Oct 2015 #125

Love you Cha, always have. But you need to respond to post #82...please. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #284

You got that right, Cha treestar Oct 2015 #297

When did Bernie change his position on guns? HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #11

He didn't, this is just more Fox news style journalism from Steve. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #38

Probably before the 1992 election jfern Oct 2015 #44

many many years ago Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #61

Bernie marched 50 years ago Sheepshank Oct 2015 #231

they didn't like you even before Sanders JI7 Oct 2015 #12

Not only that, Bernie has been on Fox a bunch of times too. I'm waiting to hear those folks who stevenleser Oct 2015 #16

Who cares if he's been on FOX? HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #24

A lot of people apparently. I get criticized about it frequently from some folks here. stevenleser Oct 2015 #30

There it is again upthread in #26. A subtle dig on my going on Fox. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #39

I read it, and I think you misinterpreted. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #54

Nope, it's a criticism for going on Fox, and a thinly veiled one. stevenleser Oct 2015 #55

So thinly veiled that it doesn't actually exist. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #60

Well, you havent interacted here much so its understandable you dont know these things. stevenleser Oct 2015 #65

Intellectually-dishonest debate tactic 3d and 3e DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #89

Still waiting for your admission of being on both sides of three issues. Starting with stevenleser Oct 2015 #90

Intellectually-dishonest debate tactic #2: changing the subject DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #92

Nope, not changing the subject. The subject is duplicity and you are on record three times as stevenleser Oct 2015 #94

Intellectually-dishonest debate tactic #5: false premise DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #105

And Nance's #108 below. Do you repudiate Sanders for attacking the Democratic Party and then stevenleser Oct 2015 #116

Back to #2: changing the subject. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #123

And we have a #5. I'm supposed to answer all your accusations but you don't answer mine. stevenleser Oct 2015 #124

Order of operations, Steven. This can end if you want it to, but I told you... DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #128

And you prove my point. Do you need a list, because there are a lot of them. stevenleser Oct 2015 #136

Partial credit. You will get SOME responses. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #170

Lots of intellectually dishonest and weasel responses stevenleser Oct 2015 #182

Steve out, huh? Whatever. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #190

Jury results... SidDithers Oct 2015 #277

Are you paid to appear on Fox? leftupnorth Oct 2015 #295

+1 cui bono Oct 2015 #156

+1000 for +1'ing Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #188

When you've been on DU a long time treestar Oct 2015 #298

So you don't get paid? artislife Oct 2015 #36

Yes, Steve, we all get that you've finally bvf Oct 2015 #214

LOL, so pointing out this hypocrisy upsets you? Good. stevenleser Oct 2015 #217

"Amused" would be a better word. bvf Oct 2015 #229

... beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #220

Yep! There's one squirrel that's bound to be bvf Oct 2015 #243

Lets just say Bernie makes Fox look worse! Get it now? nt Logical Oct 2015 #326

I agree with your original assessment of Hillary. Great article! virtualobserver Oct 2015 #13

Great, so since you think so much of my opinion, you will agree with my endorsement of Hillary. stevenleser Oct 2015 #18

your original article was so convincing and quite frankly, irrefutable, that my opinion is unchanged virtualobserver Oct 2015 #22

As are all my writings. Welcome to the Hillary camp!!! stevenleser Oct 2015 #23

Thanks to your article.....you must mean the "Hillary is a liar" camp virtualobserver Oct 2015 #34

If you are a true journalist as I believe you are Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #35

So here is a question for you. If it is what he has been saying all along, why the need for the stevenleser Oct 2015 #62

How is it it took me under 5 minutes to research this Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #69

You didn't answer the questions. If this is what he has believed all along why stevenleser Oct 2015 #74

His voting record on the AWB is perfectly consistent. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #272

Where is the contradiction? thesquanderer Oct 2015 #292

THIS is what you are hanging your credibility on? jeff47 Oct 2015 #329

re: "Why is the announcement any kind of a big deal?" thesquanderer Oct 2015 #293

It was funny and spot on! frylock Oct 2015 #322

Have you written anything else? bvf Oct 2015 #232

DU has a strange way of recognizing achievement. ucrdem Oct 2015 #19

Ooooohhh. "journalist posting. artislife Oct 2015 #33

Did you see this "article"?: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #53

The black community should trust the police, the police are only there to help Fumesucker Oct 2015 #63

But he's a Hillary supporter, so he can't be whitesplaining jfern Oct 2015 #66

"Bernie marched for civil rights." WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #402

Right? And he wonders why we don't trust him on DU? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #68

Just read it in the other OP thread artislife Oct 2015 #75

true Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #84

I never considered Steve a journalist so my opinion on them hasn't been altered by what he wrote. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #93

Just for you artislife Oct 2015 #98

Awww... beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #100

Come rob me, rape me, or kill me! (Leser, taking on the voice of the black community, in his view) DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #76

*chortle nt artislife Oct 2015 #88

I shudder to think of what advice he would have for us... beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #101

It wasn't advice so much as blaming women for child support. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #110

Well why should he let the other Fox news pundits have all the fun? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #117

This Article stinks of blaming the victims and is all around offensive garbage. U of M Dem Oct 2015 #412

Good post, I completely agree with you. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #415

That's why he got the title of purported journalist. U of M Dem Oct 2015 #417

You should do more research on Bernies stance on the AWB aikoaiko Oct 2015 #56

.. Purveyor Oct 2015 #57

You changed your mind eight years ago? Wow. What'd she do to make you change it so soon? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #58

as a journalist please run a correction Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #64

I've already responded to you on this upthread. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #67

Man, You should have just taken a few days off. nt Snotcicles Oct 2015 #72

400 seems about fair, considering. nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #349

You have lost any respect that I had for you Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #77

LOL, I'm sure I'll get over it eventually... yup, there it is. I'm over it. See my #74 above. stevenleser Oct 2015 #79

but your OP is still a lie Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #83

Nope, it's not and my #74 shows have correct it is. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #87

That sentence does not even make any sense. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #409

He won't but thanks for Correcting the Record. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #71

It makes him look bad Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #80

He obviously doesn't care about his credibility anymore. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #113

I know Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #115

Hey, give the poor guy a break. bvf Oct 2015 #274

This post #74 business is also meant to deceive. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #147

Hillary supporters can't help but lie lie lie lie lie jfern Oct 2015 #85

The same weekend??? Autumn Oct 2015 #96

as in a lie Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #97

They are scared shitless that she might accidentally Aerows Oct 2015 #107

It makes no sense. No one but those of us on DU are going to see this horse shit and we Autumn Oct 2015 #121

I quit trying to make sense of politics. Aerows Oct 2015 #129

Or the more straightforward explanation Prism Oct 2015 #355

I don't think she knows 840high Oct 2015 #127

Wow, 12 people reced this total pants on fire lie? jfern Oct 2015 #102

I know, sad Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #104

And they complain about lies from the media? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #120

They don't care about facts jfern Oct 2015 #122

I hope more of them rec it, the hypocrisy is hillaryous! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #126

I see 44 recs, people who aren't felling the "Bern" and don't see Sanders ability to throw a stone uponit7771 Oct 2015 #366

The OP is a total pants on fire lie jfern Oct 2015 #369

So Sanders doesn't have an overall pro-gun stance all his career?! tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #371

He voted to ban assault weapons in 1994 jfern Oct 2015 #372

Not the question, overall... has Sanders had a pro - gun stance for most if not all his career?! tia uponit7771 Oct 2015 #374

The NRA gave him a D- jfern Oct 2015 #376

Still not the question, has Sanders had a pro-gun stance most if not all his political carreer... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #377

As I said, he voted against the assault weapons ban in 1994 jfern Oct 2015 #378

For me ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #108

Excellent point and that is only one of many attacks he has made against the Democratic Party. stevenleser Oct 2015 #111

They won't. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #154

At least that a true one and not a lie Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #112

I proved my OP in #74 above. So both are true. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #119

No, you lied. Again. But hey, it pays well. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #311

ya he said it 25 years ago - seems some here are really digging :) azurnoir Oct 2015 #418

LOl Skinner said something about that azurnoir Oct 2015 #149

I'm sorry, but ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #172

That's a predictably hateful sentiment but I prefer Skinner's reasonable pov. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #180

Obviously I will be voting for the DEMOCRAT ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #187

The irony here is watching you complain about the behaviour of the other people. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #193

As I set my watch by the fact ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #200

Making sense? Like hating on DU 24/7 and still hanging around? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #206

Why am I here? NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #208

I'm asking you. If I hated DU and it's members that much I'd leave. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #213

I wil post what I want, where I want, and when I want. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #223

Bullshit. You're broadbrushing and attacking Dems who support Bernie. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #227

Projecting again. n/t NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #230

Holy shut. Party over principle. Hear ya loud and clear Nance. N/t yodermon Oct 2015 #347

There is nothing "principled" ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #350

so a guy that has won the Democratic nomination in his home state isn't good enough still azurnoir Oct 2015 #354

Well, apparently BS thinks ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #356

yep I guess he's just not a good company man is he? azurnoir Oct 2015 #419

Is it a true flip-flop if the underlying belief is unchanged? thesquanderer Oct 2015 #290

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #365

Not a shock you think our party is above being insulted. LOL nt Logical Oct 2015 #410

I think our party ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #413

Want a list of dems who have complained about the party??? Really??? Nt Logical Oct 2015 #414

I know a lot of Dems ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #416

Oh FFS are you being silly. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #420

You ought to self delete this thread before it gets even Purveyor Oct 2015 #114

I think you should self delete this response. I proved my point in #74 above. stevenleser Oct 2015 #118

And here I thought you had me on ignore... Purveyor Oct 2015 #157

Then why did you make a direct post to someone you thought would not see it? treestar Oct 2015 #301

To test a hypothesis that was, as a result, proven? Yes, I believe so. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #318

Does something make you someone whose opinion matters? xfundy Oct 2015 #134

You mean besides the 650+ thread started yesterday by people discussing my opinion? stevenleser Oct 2015 #138

650? Wow, your opinion matters, apparently. xfundy Oct 2015 #241

Honest answer -- I don't give a shit about the specifics of his position on gun control Armstead Oct 2015 #142

You failed to state what this supposed 'flip flop' is. cui bono Oct 2015 #145

Actually, I did, and I clarified it in #74 above. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #146

I do not see it in the OP. The OP is about Sanders supporters. cui bono Oct 2015 #150

It's all there. Anger? No absolutely not. I love this. This is bread and butter to me. stevenleser Oct 2015 #151

I really don't see it. n/t cui bono Oct 2015 #153

This proves that content doesn't matter to you artislife Oct 2015 #320

There's a big difference between nailing you and needling you. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #152

And it all helps me either way. My phone will be ringing off the hook for radio and tv appearances stevenleser Oct 2015 #155

It's nice of you to reveal your priorities. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #161

Nope, not my priorities. I didn't create the OP that started all this. But I am grateful for it. stevenleser Oct 2015 #164

If you want a gig by playing "kick the hippie" that's up to you. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #171

That's your third attempt to move the goalposts to attack me. You've now positioned them on Pluto stevenleser Oct 2015 #174

You endorsed Hillary. Do you really believe she's a Liberal? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #179

And a fourth goalpost move. Now they are on Proxima Centauri. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #186

Did you or did you not endorse Hillary? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #196

be sure to post a schedule of your appearances here on DU grasswire Oct 2015 #162

Me either! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #165

got popcorn? grasswire Oct 2015 #168

Sure do, butter and kettle corn. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #169

woo woo! grasswire Oct 2015 #178

ZOMG! I love dark chocolate! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #181

LOLOL grasswire Oct 2015 #183

I should add...... grasswire Oct 2015 #184

So true! And good of Steve to provide the entertainment! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #185

No time for that. High-powered podcast agents from all over are lighting up his phone. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #202

lol ibegurpard Oct 2015 #335

Lol, you love self promoting more than anyone I know. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #411

More crap stirring. SoapBox Oct 2015 #158

Pointing out folks changing their mind is crap stirring? I see. Please link to me stevenleser Oct 2015 #160

Seems to be what he does. senz Oct 2015 #225

Pshaw! Only in US politics... longship Oct 2015 #163

Hey, I'm right there with you. But there is a 660+ post thread criticizing me for changing my stevenleser Oct 2015 #167

So why don't you take the proper position then? longship Oct 2015 #175

Nope, it's irony and it is a legitimate tool to show people the error of their ways. stevenleser Oct 2015 #189

I chided you because I respect you. longship Oct 2015 #197

That doesn't work. You know, back when the Greek civilization was at it's height stevenleser Oct 2015 #199

Well, at least please stop playing the flip-flop card. longship Oct 2015 #209

Actually, the OP just pointed out that you said that Hillary is a liar virtualobserver Oct 2015 #191

And it's also a fact that Bernie changed his mind on several things and has gone on conservative stevenleser Oct 2015 #192

Why should I care if you changed your mind? virtualobserver Oct 2015 #194

You tell me. You keep mentioning it to me and posting about it. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #195

I keep mentioning that you called Hillary a liar.....you outlined the reasons in great detail virtualobserver Oct 2015 #203

LOL, there is no one on this board who believes you on that. Nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #211

First you call Hillary a liar.....now you are calling me a liar. virtualobserver Oct 2015 #215

Demonstrably false claim. I believe virtualobserver. I'm on this board. Next. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #218

I believe that poster since I've never seen them lie. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #219

Well said! nt treestar Oct 2015 #302

Oh really Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #177

"This is bread and butter to me. slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #198

Yes, it is. stevenleser Oct 2015 #204

Exactly and why we should not pay attention to your changing principles and let ... slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #212

Blame the poster and commenter of the huge OP, I had nothing to do with it stevenleser Oct 2015 #216

i think you are making people even more upset by your not seeming to really care JI7 Oct 2015 #201

Well, you can't blame a guy for showing folks that when they are trying to throw lemons at you stevenleser Oct 2015 #205

My dear Steve.....I am jealous. I was promised a thread exposing my plagiarism. .... msanthrope Oct 2015 #233

Wow that is priceless!!! stevenleser Oct 2015 #421

You do Steve....you do....nt msanthrope Oct 2015 #422

He cared so little he had to start a new OP about it. aikoaiko Oct 2015 #399

he likes the attention and enjoys ridiculing JI7 Oct 2015 #406

LOL, he cares. This is "bread and butter" for him as a *cough* journalist... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #408

This is the first time I have ever heard of Steve Lesser ALBliberal Oct 2015 #224

I'm pretty sure then, you've heard of everyone else Sheepshank Oct 2015 #237

That's false. His opinion remains the same. Fearless Oct 2015 #228

One professional to another Steven, TM99 Oct 2015 #234

Here is the good news - Leser will not affect one single vote, here at DU. djean111 Oct 2015 #253

The "flip-flop" meme Flying Squirrel Oct 2015 #239

Please remind me when Sanders was NOT for a ban on assault weapons? merrily Oct 2015 #240

"Eight years ago would make it October 2007. You're welcome." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #242

That required a massive amount of research and thinking, but I was happy to be of service. merrily Oct 2015 #244

You should be a journalist! You're already better at fact checking than Steve! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #245

Thank you. It was more subtraction than fact-checking, but merrily Oct 2015 #247

But you also provided proof that Bernie didn't flip flop. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #248

Awwww, thank you. merrily Oct 2015 #250

It's definitely safer in there. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #251

Wow. All these compliments. I am SO not used to them on DU. merrily Oct 2015 #255

You are no Bernie Sanders, you are no candidate, morningfog Oct 2015 #254

Locking thread. TexasTowelie Oct 2015 #256

Takes a lot of hubris to accuse Sanders of flip-flopping. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #257

BOOM!!!!! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #258

I have always found unquestioning party loyalty leftupnorth Oct 2015 #259

+1 merrily Oct 2015 #270

As a dispassionate observer it is my considered opinion Mr. Leser has acquitted himself admirably DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #260

LOL! merrily Oct 2015 #271

He brings a certain je ne sais quoi to this board that I can not help but notice./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #275

You said Isaac Newton foresaw Steve Leser's greatness, and wrote about it. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #309

My raison d'etre is to be half the man Steve Leser is DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #324

Why? artislife Oct 2015 #327

Thank you for your kind words. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #332

Sometimes, when I read your words artislife Oct 2015 #367

Thank you again... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #393

Unlocked thread. TexasTowelie Oct 2015 #262

Why in the world would this have ever been locked in the first place? nt boston bean Oct 2015 #280

Perhaps you do love it, and that's not good. You and others like to trade in extreme verbiage which Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #268

'I just can't understand those fucking smokers, how could anyone ever smoke?' Aerows Oct 2015 #343

Ignore them Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #273

Yes the pesky truth Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #279

Are you quoting Hillary ? Is it a statement about you? Or another soliloquy of diversion ? orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #276

DU rec for pissing off the right people, again....nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #278

Good Observation Gothmog Oct 2015 #281

No, it is a lie. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #283

An assault weapons ban is not "strict gun control". Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #282

Kick & highly recommended! William769 Oct 2015 #285

People who have been wrong about Obama over and over and over ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #287

And how often they claimed they supported Obama treestar Oct 2015 #306

Also very true ... they claim they were his most bestest supporters ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #307

Actually, Steve called Obama a liar. And unlike the OP, I have evidence. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #312

I don't understand the constant efforts of some on DU TeddyR Oct 2015 #288

It is to point out to them that some of their "criticism" of Hillary treestar Oct 2015 #303

Except this is attempting to do that by lying. jeff47 Oct 2015 #330

To answer your question, it comes down to honesty and authenticity. Exilednight Oct 2015 #394

Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut workinclasszero Oct 2015 #304

The headline, at least, is a lie thesquanderer Oct 2015 #313

What (or who) is a "gun nut"? TeddyR Oct 2015 #319

His overall record on gun control has been consistent; he's against it. There are too many votes uponit7771 Oct 2015 #368

If he was against gun control TeddyR Oct 2015 #387

who are you? 2pooped2pop Oct 2015 #291

He's a "journalist" who appears on Fox, usually as "the liberal". jeff47 Oct 2015 #331

oh so almost anybody can endorse someone? 2pooped2pop Oct 2015 #395

IOKIYB Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #294

It is truly amazing that such lies about our candidates leftupnorth Oct 2015 #308

Steve has called Clinton, Obama, and Sanders liars. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #314

Heh!! ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #317

Bernie Sanders has proven honesty and integrity. You? 99Forever Oct 2015 #325

Wow this is creepy and uncalled for. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #337

I neither "like" nor "don't like" him. 99Forever Oct 2015 #358

Why would I not understand? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #360

If you did understand... 99Forever Oct 2015 #361

Pointless even trying with you. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #363

jury results marym625 Oct 2015 #342

Thanks Mary. 99Forever Oct 2015 #357

no, you're the best marym625 Oct 2015 #362

Yes, he voted for legisilation that supported the Minutemen but lets see him be honest about why!? uponit7771 Oct 2015 #370

Why? Please cite links to his reasons for voting for this legislation, tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #379

I've never had a problem with anybody changing their mind...about anything. I may point out... BlueJazz Oct 2015 #328

Hear, hear. forest444 Oct 2015 #334

Thank you, forest. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #340

You bet. forest444 Oct 2015 #344

Tsk. Tsk. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #333

Uh, these links are not mutually exclusive. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #336

no one criticized you for changing your mind. marym625 Oct 2015 #341

42 recs for what has been long pointed out to be pants on fire lying? jfern Oct 2015 #345

Sanders overall positions on guns is well known, he's for them. voted against the Brady Bill, that's uponit7771 Oct 2015 #373

He voted against the assault weapons ban in 1994 jfern Oct 2015 #375

Obviously his overall position is pro-gun control, anyone who thinks he's a gun nut is insane. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #380

Well there's this also, .... link inside uponit7771 Oct 2015 #381

Cite proof that "his OVERALL career he's been against gun control". Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #383

You can look up his votes and stances from beginning to end yourself, not playing that game... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #384

Nope, you made the claim so it's up to you to back it up. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #385

There's a lot of talk about trashing on this thread. I generally trash the Bernie vs. Hillary valerief Oct 2015 #353

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #364

A True Progressive in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #382

Depends on whether he's flipping or flopping, doesn't it? stone space Oct 2015 #386

He didn't vote TeddyR Oct 2015 #391

asdf stone space Oct 2015 #396

404 error: Honest punditry not found. Electric Monk Oct 2015 #404

Unk...unk.... MrMickeysMom Oct 2015 #405