2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

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82. Sanders has been unable to pass any signature or meaningful pieces of legislation

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Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:34 PM

Oct 2015

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To this day no one has told me how Bernie will get those Repubs to fall in line. [View all] trumad Oct 2015 OP

The bully pulpit only gets you so far. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #1

unless you have a movement virtualobserver Oct 2015 #91

Without the house and senate the movement can only get you so far. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #93

the movement gets you the house and the senate virtualobserver Oct 2015 #94

The House is very gerrymandered mythology Oct 2015 #111

we haven't even had the first debate yet and Iowa and NH are months away virtualobserver Oct 2015 #112

This is false on its face uponit7771 Oct 2015 #117

it is only a question of how large the movement needs to be virtualobserver Oct 2015 #118

4 trillion people wouldn't move GOP congress that doesn't answer to anyone but the people uponit7771 Oct 2015 #120

the movement has to be large enough to vote them out in this election virtualobserver Oct 2015 #121

Or two years later thesquanderer Oct 2015 #132

Yep, they can support Bernie's plan or see themselves voted out. Scuba Oct 2015 #133

To this day, no one has convinced me h will do any better. artislife Oct 2015 #2

In regards to liberal items artislife Oct 2015 #4

What before? How many bills did she sign into law Exilednight Oct 2015 #95

Probably because she has the backing/endorsements of her entire party. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #10

Are you saying Obama didn't? nt artislife Oct 2015 #19

BOOM! BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #25

What do you mean by "BOOM"? Senate DOES have his back. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #35

"Hugely successful"?? Only if you are happy with $16,000,000 American children living rhett o rick Oct 2015 #83

And he hasn't turned water into wine either. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #85

Your sillyness is a poor attempt at a distraction. He supports fracking. Oil profits over clean rhett o rick Oct 2015 #88

WELL done, artislife! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #31

What? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #37

Half of the senate made it their mission to obstruct everything on Obama's agenda. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #40

Right, but not the Democratic half. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #44

So you're saying that half wouldn't back Bernie if he was the president? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #47

Not even close to Obama. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #57

So tossing aside your red herring, how would Hillary get the Republicans to fall in line? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #61

I think the bigger question is... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #63

No, the topic of the op is Republicans and how they'll fall in line. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #65

Oh, she ran away! Blus4u Oct 2015 #90

As a rule, Dems in Congress will support Hillary OR Bernie if that's who's in the White House thesquanderer Oct 2015 #98

He does, which is why Obama has been so successful. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #34

So if Bernie is the next president TeddyR Oct 2015 #27

I don't get what you mean. The senate DOES have his back. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #36

If they do they abandon him at their peril. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #60

He got a major Veterans bill passed last year jfern Oct 2015 #3

You mean the moderate guys on that side. trumad Oct 2015 #5

The bill got a majority of even the tea party jfern Oct 2015 #7

Well it's a vet bill trumad Oct 2015 #9

No, it wasn't easy peasy shit jfern Oct 2015 #13

Oh... trumad Oct 2015 #16

Come on, I didn't say they're the same jfern Oct 2015 #24

What I'm saying is when all but 5 vote for it.. trumad Oct 2015 #41

It was one of the biggest accomplishments last year jfern Oct 2015 #50

Are you kidding? MADem Oct 2015 #45

I think he can do better than a candidate who the GOP hates so much that they form djean111 Oct 2015 #6

you do realize they did that to Clinton dsc Oct 2015 #48

So he'll get them to be SLIGHTLY less obstructionist?! that's not a good enough reason to vote uponit7771 Oct 2015 #92

His policies are good enough for me to vote for him. djean111 Oct 2015 #128

What good are the policies if there's' no congress to get them past? These people arent uponit7771 Oct 2015 #137

So - by your reasoning, it does not matter who is president, because no one can get anything done? djean111 Oct 2015 #139

Yes it does matter, Clinton is already outlining EOs... that's better than nothing uponit7771 Oct 2015 #140

Like no one else can issue Executive Orders. Right. n/t djean111 Oct 2015 #141

That's true, Sanders will follow her lead seeing Clinton is a leader. But the bigger issue is why... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #142

I will not take a chance on Hillary not "changing her mind" if she got elected. djean111 Oct 2015 #143

He told Todd this morning he'll mobilize millions of people and Todd said that didn't work the uponit7771 Oct 2015 #8

I would love to see it.. trumad Oct 2015 #11

ponies? enid602 Oct 2015 #70

I don't think he's promising free Medicare for all. Seniors pay premiums and deductibles. hedda_foil Oct 2015 #122

responsible enid602 Oct 2015 #124

So how does Hillary TeddyR Oct 2015 #30

Todd was referrring to Sanders large bills like Medicae for all. Hilllary has provided riversedge Oct 2015 #55

She's already outlined executive actions she'd take without congress, Sanders will follow her on uponit7771 Oct 2015 #106

as they would both be following Obama on that. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #110

Irrelevant to the question, Hillary has outlined how she would get past congress Sanders has not and uponit7771 Oct 2015 #113

EO only gets you so far, we don't elect kings (or queens). thesquanderer Oct 2015 #116

Clinton outlined what she'd do and how she'd get it done in the area of guns etc... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #119

If the GOP holds the house gwheezie Oct 2015 #12

Sadly, massive civil unrest is now the ONLY thing that will get Congress to stop PatrickforO Oct 2015 #14

Good post. trumad Oct 2015 #131

See this is why Bernie doesn't want to take away everyone's guns. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #134

It's not my nature to play nice on this forum. trumad Oct 2015 #135

Thanks for the honest self-appraisal. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #136

And, of course, it's been answered time and again. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #15

The only answer I see is Bully Pulpit. trumad Oct 2015 #46

Really? Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #51

Ok...rallying millions. trumad Oct 2015 #54

"Rallying millions." Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #59

More ponies. trumad Oct 2015 #67

Democracy = ponies. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #69

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #74

Apparently an awful lot of people on DU neither understand grassroots movements or politics. cpompilo Oct 2015 #53

Oh so its the grassroot movement trumad Oct 2015 #130

What's Hillary's plan? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #17

Well there you have it in a fucking nutshell Autumn Oct 2015 #22

A functioning govt for starters. No intraparty fighting for the chaser. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #42

Lol whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #68

Dream on. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #72

some think he well turn red districts blue JI7 Oct 2015 #18

I am one of them smilingwen Oct 2015 #66

No democrat can get those animals in line katsy Oct 2015 #20

Hillary's plan is to create a warm purple space where things can get done in a bipartisan spirit Fumesucker Oct 2015 #21

I got an idea where that Autumn Oct 2015 #23

50 Shades of Warm Purple Space? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #29

You've been told plenty but you choose not to listen. zappaman Oct 2015 #26

Republicans are pissed at the Establishment, too Prism Oct 2015 #28

Nobody ever answers that question. :-) djean111 Oct 2015 #33

Interestingly, Clinton has been using the bully pulpit effectively as a candidate in past few weeks. Hoyt Oct 2015 #32

He said he is creating a revolution. He does not need the republicans to get in line. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #38

Do ponies come with the revolution? trumad Oct 2015 #49

Bernie is opening eyes and inspiring minds Trajan Oct 2015 #39

Of course we need... trumad Oct 2015 #52

The only answer is to just let the GOP have their way, get everything they want DJ13 Oct 2015 #43

I guess the same way Obama did and Hillary would. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #56

The only thing that would get the GOP in line is an end to gerrymandering. Vinca Oct 2015 #58

If Republicans hold the House no Democrat will do better than Obama. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #62

Here's are two examples of how effective use of the Bully Pulpit works for Bernie and in turn Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #64

Wonderful illustration of the power of the bully pulpit. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #76

The pleasure was mine, Atomic Kitten. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #77

And Hillary will? HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #71

this wyldwolf Oct 2015 #73

But they're going to work with HRC? clearly you didn't think this thread through onecaliberal Oct 2015 #75

The same way he LWolf Oct 2015 #78

Two points Tom Rinaldo Oct 2015 #79

Sanders cannot rally votes in the senate. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #114

At the rsk of seeming melodramatic Tom Rinaldo Oct 2015 #126

Same way Hillary will. ibegurpard Oct 2015 #80

Silly, silly Trumad, Dawson Leery Oct 2015 #81

I think the question is legit. trumad Oct 2015 #84

My comment was sarcastic. Dawson Leery Oct 2015 #89

Sanders has been unable to pass any signature or meaningful pieces of legislation Gothmog Oct 2015 #82

Fairy dust and the multi millions of people hanging at the capital 24/7. the revolution FloridaBlues Oct 2015 #87

Good job reciting the talking point. However, it was more effective jeff47 Oct 2015 #102

Sanders has never--not once--helped a Democrat get elected. MADem Oct 2015 #86

part of what made Jimmy Carter an ineffective president... wyldwolf Oct 2015 #96

He could find a good pen and use it when confronted with Republican legislation. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #97

And what will Hillary do to get them in line? Oh yah... right...what Centrist Dems have been doing.. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #99

Sanders will get the asses of the masses in the STREET! mhatrw Oct 2015 #100

Republicans will also investigate Hillary onecaliberal Oct 2015 #101

If you keep hearing bully pulpit then it sounds like someone has told you something Hiraeth Oct 2015 #103

I heard it had something to do with a magic wand. leftofcool Oct 2015 #104

He probably won't. bigwillq Oct 2015 #105

The American people get them in line Fearless Oct 2015 #107

Ha! trumad Oct 2015 #108

That's not a complete sentence or idea Fearless Oct 2015 #109

No they didn't, the GOP congress could give a damn what the majority of American poeple think... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #115

Let me be clearer Fearless Oct 2015 #123

Yes, they would !!! When the rich involve and inform the populace!! Where have people been for uponit7771 Oct 2015 #138

Your are missing the point Fearless Oct 2015 #144

niether will Hillary... if the point is to use people then Sanders is missing the point. GOP doesn't uponit7771 Oct 2015 #145

Maybe this will help you out Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #125

Just watch the MTP interview from yesterday. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #127

What, you want someone to get on their knees? delrem Oct 2015 #129