2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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22. I agree. He's been saying these same things over and over for decades.

Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:34 AM

Oct 2015

Having an unwavering ideology gives him that depth of conviction that is his strength. He's not a simple-minded man, by any means, but he stripped the nuance out of his dialogue long ago in order to keep hitting the basic ideas.

And I agree with Bigtree. He has to come across right, especially to the media who are going to spin this for the nation. Biden could come across as genial and very likable while defending carpet bombing a village, but Bernie just doesn't have that talent. Neither does HRC, for that matter.

BTW, anyone seen the debate commercial CNN is running? It shows a picture of HRC looking herself and one of Bernie seeming mid-tirade. They apparently feel the Dem candidates are deplorably heavy on substance and are clearly hoping, lacking Biden's liveliness, that Bernie'll provide their "show" at least some drama.

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Bernie's Debate Dilemma [View all] demwing Oct 2015 OP

It's who he is. He's not 'performing' for voters, not trying to convince them that he's something Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #1

Let's not underestimate Hillary, she's by far the more experienced debater. demwing Oct 2015 #2

It is impossible to underestimate Hillary FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #7

" She already knows she's unelectable." DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #11

Tomorrow is her last chance to hold on to her lead and she'll fail We Want Bernie Oct 2015 #55

She has a much chance of falling as I have of wresting the Mr. Olympia title from Phil Heath. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #61

she leads in the Democratic Primary polls. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #56

Your outrage seems selective DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #62

Uh-huh. Good luck with that concept. MineralMan Oct 2015 #33

what the heck does this mean? Sheepshank Oct 2015 #43

Maybe it means they teach you win arguments at Yale Law by using... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #57

It's very easy to launder PAC money. jeff47 Oct 2015 #63

So do you think that is what Clinton does? Sheepshank Oct 2015 #74

I was responding to the "you can't pay yourself from the PAC" argument jeff47 Oct 2015 #79

ahhh ok, so Im just need to get that clarification from the person I originally replied to Sheepshank Oct 2015 #88

That I have to disagree with.... daleanime Oct 2015 #59

Oh my... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #66

She'll also have the full force of the media brainwashing apparatus AND the Party behind her. stillwaiting Oct 2015 #9

With everything stacked against Bernie demwing Oct 2015 #14

The media will favor Bernie to promote the horse race treestar Oct 2015 #44

Fair and balanced, that's our media! demwing Oct 2015 #77

that's an understandable sentiment bigtree Oct 2015 #5

I agree. He's been saying these same things over and over for decades. Hortensis Oct 2015 #22

preparing for a debate is only in part performance, learning to wink and smile for the camera. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #41

My thoughts on Tomorrow's Democratic Debate ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #3

I agree with you about O'Malley. If he does well at the debates sufrommich Oct 2015 #12

He will never break 5% AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #78

one caution on O'Malley bigtree Oct 2015 #18

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #26

of course, I agree with your conclusion bigtree Oct 2015 #35

I, too, am a tough judge on these things ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #47

Steve Kornacki pointed out that O'Malley hasn't been getting traction Hortensis Oct 2015 #73

I don't know if I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #90

Bernie has nothing to do wtih O'Malley's problem. Boomer Oct 2015 #91

You guys are both forgetting that without Bernie, the press would Hortensis Oct 2015 #94

Oh come on. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #28

That's probably true. But I will lessen the effect ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #34

I agree with those, mostly 3 treestar Oct 2015 #49

I agree on all but #2 Scootaloo Oct 2015 #51

His positions are well known by those that would need/use opposition research. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #65

Martin has most to gain, least known candidate, very camera friendly. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #54

I would argue that O'Malley does have the right stuff ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #70

I agree with all of your points. zappaman Oct 2015 #67

Agree with it all JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #82

His only dilemma is how the Corporate Owned MSM Talking Head treats him in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #4

I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #29

After watching how the corporate media had assumed the role of King/Queen maker, Snotcicles Oct 2015 #37

Personally, I think if the Corporate Owned Talking Heads in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #46

^^^this!^^^ plus Bernie will come across as honest & authentic peacebird Oct 2015 #89

I am confident all our stellar candidates will acquit themselves admirably. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #6

I like your message. Please keep it up!- nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2015 #16

If given an opportunity to say something nice... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #17

The undeniable truth is that none of the declared Puke candidates are fit to KingCharlemagne Oct 2015 #24

Unlike most people around here Trajan Oct 2015 #8

He's not rehearsing in the traditional way, but he is preparing. magical thyme Oct 2015 #10

He's got a Truth Phaser MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #13

he'll need it. Hillary is a formidable debater. /nt demwing Oct 2015 #23

She's not. We Want Bernie Oct 2015 #60

One shouldn't need rehearsal if they just answers the question candidly, especially Snotcicles Oct 2015 #45

I doubt it hootinholler Oct 2015 #15

when you are an authentic person restorefreedom Oct 2015 #19

Preparing and rehearsing are two vastly different things. TM99 Oct 2015 #20

I hope Bernie does both demwing Oct 2015 #39

Lowering expectations, excellent tactic Fumesucker Oct 2015 #21

Me? im just worried for Bernie. demwing Oct 2015 #25

I recced your thread.. Fumesucker Oct 2015 #27

Bernie doesn't need to remember his positions because they've been the same for 4 decades. onecaliberal Oct 2015 #30

Hillary is free to respond as she sees fit demwing Oct 2015 #32

Of course she isn't, she can change her mind each way the wind blows, as we have seen. onecaliberal Oct 2015 #95

How do you practice honesty? He's been practicing his entire career. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #31

It's a challenge for sure. demwing Oct 2015 #38

My biggest worry is the tricks that CNN will pull that favor Clinton. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #40

Foolish not to take advantage of every opportunity to improve his chance at success. procon Oct 2015 #36

There are many ways to prepare for something like this. MineralMan Oct 2015 #42

All Bernie has are the facts. Hillary has more. demwing Oct 2015 #85

I wonder if Bernie fredamae Oct 2015 #48

CNN will try to fix this for Clinton. CNN should be disqualified, period. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #50

Ok. zappaman Oct 2015 #68

Bernie isn't a performer and I doubt he regards the debate The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #52

Not sure I follow? EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #53

Don't underestimate the challenge he faces demwing Oct 2015 #71

Don't forget JIM WEBB....nobody gives a better speech, and nobody uses words better. MADem Oct 2015 #58

It does not help to analyze the event now, sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #64

People are drawn to his authenticity. Why mess with that? azmom Oct 2015 #69

Bernie will speak the truth, knowledgeably, accurately, and with Zorra Oct 2015 #72

Even the sun can be blocked by a cloud demwing Oct 2015 #75

I'm sure Bernie already knows Zorra Oct 2015 #86

This will be very easy for Bernie AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #76

it's a strong debate tactic for Hillary. demwing Oct 2015 #80

She will be pretending AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #84

Indeed... Ino Oct 2015 #93

I saw an intro on CNN this morning bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #81

They also have a promo featuring Bernie.. frylock Oct 2015 #92

I think this will come off as the "polished elder stateswoman" versus the "gruff elder socialist". DCBob Oct 2015 #83

After contemeplating all the above, I'm convinced that Hillalry will have a strong debate demwing Oct 2015 #87

It's not a difficult challenge when honesty and long held beliefs are driving his answers. Avalux Oct 2015 #96

He knows his stuff and he believes in it. All he has to do is jwirr Oct 2015 #97

Bernie is not a Master debater olddots Oct 2015 #98