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WillyT

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Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:49 PM Oct 2015

The DNC Screwed Hillary — Now Get Ready For A Bernie Sanders Earthquake - Salon [View all]

The DNC screwed Hillary — now get ready for a Bernie Sanders earthquake
Limiting debates did her no favors. Now she's barely leading a 74-year-old socialist. This debate is pivotal.

Bill Curry - Salon
Monday, Oct 12, 2015 09:38 AM PDT


(Credit: AP/Jacquelyn Martin/Reuters/Carlo Allegri/Photo montage by Salon)

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With so many people thinking the system is rigged and that politics has devolved into mere vulgar entertainment, the Democratic Party’s choice of a Las Vegas casino as the venue for its first presidential debate seems counterintuitive. That the casino in question bears the surname of Steve Wynn seems odd as well. In 2012, Wynn, once a Democrat of sorts, dropped $10 million on Karl Rove’s Super PAC. He’s gone on Fox News to lambaste Obama, whom he calls a socialist. His punishment: a ton of free publicity plus whatever it cost to rent the hall.

The Democratic National Committee delayed the debates as long as it could and limited their total number to six. By way of comparison, there were 26 debates in 2008. The first was held in April 2007; by this point in the cycle there had already been 13. To enforce its new limit the party threatens a drastic sanction: anyone caught participating in a rogue debate will be locked out of all party debates.

The phrase ‘Democratic National Committee’ is imprecise. When DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz announced the schedule last August she didn’t say who made the decision or how. Nor did anyone ask. It seems like an awfully closed system for an outfit with the word ‘democratic’ right there in its name. I wondered how the party picked it. Did its national committee hold a meeting? If so, was it public? Was there a notice, agenda, or minutes? Was there even a vote?

On Thursday I spoke to the DNC communications director, a nice man named Luis Miranda. After a few minutes of polite evasions I had my answers: no, no, no, no, no and no. From what I could glean, staff made recommendations to Schultz and she then made the call all on her own. It isn’t clear that party rules authorize her to do so. What is clear is that they shouldn’t. Miranda told me the party consults with all the candidates. I don’t doubt him, but the consultations don’t appear to mean much, in that four of the five candidates wanted more debates.

The fifth is Hillary Clinton, who recently said in a low whisper that she’s ‘open’ to more debates. Clinton is still the nominal frontrunner and the establishment choice. In 2008 Schultz was in the bunker with Clinton till the bitter end. Clinton is the only candidate in the field likely to retain Schultz in her present job or otherwise advance her career. There’s a good chance the only important consultation Schultz had was with Clinton. This should come as no surprise. Every four years party insiders tweak the process in hopes that some establishment favorite can wrap things up early. Due to the law of unintended consequences, and because these people aren’t nearly as smart as they think, this almost always backfires...

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More: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/12/the_dnc_screwed_hillary_now_get_ready_for_a_bernie_sanders_earthquake/



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People are sick of Politics-As-Usual and the games that politicians play. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #1
I hear that a lot from teapartiers. randys1 Oct 2015 #3
Mark Twain wasn't a Tea Bagger. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #4
THREAD WIN, Hillary attacker actually quotes TWAIN LOL randys1 Oct 2015 #5
Are you also going blame Mark? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #7
Your use of TWAIN is laughable. randys1 Oct 2015 #9
Twain was a humorist. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #11
I am a prophet, did you know that? randys1 Oct 2015 #14
And, Twain would be responible for that? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #16
Stop dragging Twain into this nightmare DU libertarians are preparing us for. randys1 Oct 2015 #18
haaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! wendylaroux Oct 2015 #52
+1. Nailed it. (N/T) Old Crow Oct 2015 #111
Jury results pinebox Oct 2015 #53
FWIW, I would have voted to leave it alone. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #75
I did pinebox Oct 2015 #77
Libertarians? From a HRC supporter? LOL pinebox Oct 2015 #54
Juror 6 here and you so nailed it. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #56
Thanks, and the alert is a perfect example how stupid this is now. Disagree with randys1 Oct 2015 #79
No. I agree with Twain and I think his statement is appropriate to the discussion. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #74
You want prophecy? I'll give you prophecy.... daleanime Oct 2015 #118
Dire imprecations! Death and mayhem follow... druidity33 Oct 2015 #127
"Hillary attacker " "libertarians"? AlbertCat Oct 2015 #27
"We have the best Congress money can buy." Mark Twain (nt) Ned Flanders Oct 2015 #89
'aye 840high Oct 2015 #138
Twain is often cited as inspiring the term "New Deal" deutsey Oct 2015 #90
Thanks, I'll add that book to my list. navarth Oct 2015 #123
You appear to be saying that as an insult, but it isn't. The TeaParty grassroots people rhett o rick Oct 2015 #13
I have nothing in common with racists, misogynists, homophobes, etc. randys1 Oct 2015 #15
Your attempts to distort what I say is telling. You are apparently not able to address rhett o rick Oct 2015 #24
THIS is what scares me and should scare all liberals. Are you as willing as you seem to be to randys1 Oct 2015 #33
Our founders decided that they didn't want to fight for small changes, they rhett o rick Oct 2015 #65
So the social issues dont really effect you, got it. randys1 Oct 2015 #76
Social issues are very important to me. I don't think we will get much social justice rhett o rick Oct 2015 #104
Which "founders"? JackRiddler Oct 2015 #129
Are you trying to make a point? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #130
Just bored with everyone's bullshit about the "founders." JackRiddler Oct 2015 #136
You have gotten off the issues of the campaign against the GOP. DhhD Oct 2015 #68
You state this as if it's already decided passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #81
That is a False choice. We ain't choosing between HRC and a GOP stooge it is HRC or SANDERS Vincardog Oct 2015 #87
+1,000,000 cui bono Oct 2015 #105
...^ that 840high Oct 2015 #141
Bernie doesn't bash Hillary, nor do I. mahina Oct 2015 #100
Bash Wasserman Schultz for keeping agenda obscure bjobotts Oct 2015 #139
This is how you rationalize calling Hillary a "liberal". beerandjesus Oct 2015 #57
Exactly. And that's why they fabricated the faux social justice vs. economic justice outrage. cui bono Oct 2015 #106
It's interesting who call themselves liberal. As you put it, they think that if they are for rhett o rick Oct 2015 #108
+1000. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #133
Yeah F*** the tea party workinclasszero Oct 2015 #28
Wow, that's very tough of you. But be aware, while you are doing that, Goldman-Sachs rhett o rick Oct 2015 #109
It's about with whom your candidate has things in common, elehhhhna Oct 2015 #73
You want to know? pinebox Oct 2015 #80
You made someone sad Lurks Often Oct 2015 #116
imagine pinebox Oct 2015 #144
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #146
Yeah, I think we both have a pretty good idea Lurks Often Oct 2015 #154
...+1 840high Oct 2015 #142
I don't think it is that we agree with the tea party. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #94
You have more in common than you think. zeemike Oct 2015 #96
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #132
could not agree more restorefreedom Oct 2015 #37
The 1% Oligarchy wants us to fight among ourselves, but they are the problem. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #67
yup. i have a vision restorefreedom Oct 2015 #69
Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #117
Whoa! one_voice Oct 2015 #147
Those in the Tea Party you are mentioning are not the grass-roots. Those you are describing are rhett o rick Oct 2015 #148
Every Tea Party person.. one_voice Oct 2015 #149
I am not arguing any of that. We've gotten away from what I said, probably because rhett o rick Oct 2015 #150
Right on! olegramps Oct 2015 #155
"no matter who, no matter what," AlbertCat Oct 2015 #23
When someone says my way or the highway, same thing randys1 Oct 2015 #25
"my way or the highway," AlbertCat Oct 2015 #32
Sparky Anderson said that... Indepatriot Oct 2015 #134
I hear that a lot from everybody Armstead Oct 2015 #34
Oh please, partisanship LOL randys1 Oct 2015 #39
Well if that's yoour attitude I'd say you are a circular defeatist Armstead Oct 2015 #42
You lost yourself, now you dont even know what you are talking about. randys1 Oct 2015 #45
....and you say we have to accept that the system has to stay broken Armstead Oct 2015 #47
That is a defeatist attitude, a defensive attitude passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #83
I hear it lot from Democrats. They are not happy with the Third Way takeover of their party. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #92
Nicely stated.... Docreed2003 Oct 2015 #103
You cannot be President and not be a politician: It takes good politician to win! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #8
Opinions differ. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #12
Opinions do differ. I would rather have someone right off the street even with no qualifications if Enthusiast Oct 2015 #84
unwise to feed trolls. nt navarth Oct 2015 #124
Even if you are correct that she is the most "qualified", that doesn't mean she will rhett o rick Oct 2015 #17
Hillary is the most qualified AlbertCat Oct 2015 #35
To do what? JackRiddler Oct 2015 #137
Hillary is -- Hell Hath No Fury Oct 2015 #41
Same here. 840high Oct 2015 #143
Hillary is whatever the polls want her to be. I wouldn't call that a breath of fresh air, I would Autumn Oct 2015 #62
Perhaps true for the candidate. That doesn't mean the people win. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #64
President use to chuckle about people who wanted there Kids be President! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #158
No, the job of the president is to serve the people. Your views sound very much jtuck004 Oct 2015 #159
Politician is a person who brings people together: That is a person serving the people: lewebley3 Oct 2015 #160
Uh... I guess you didn't actually read the article the OP is about. cui bono Oct 2015 #107
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #152
Not sick enough or Bernie would be the front runner right now. nt ladjf Oct 2015 #126
Just wow. This lays it out, loud & clear - BOOM! 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #2
Very Kind Of You To Say, 99th_Monkey WillyT Oct 2015 #22
Well written Boov Oct 2015 #6
Yes, agree...excellent. Nice work! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #44
I was better than most Mnpaul Oct 2015 #122
K & R Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #10
I think that if there were more debates, she'd be polling lower. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #19
Bernie is going to benefit greatly from the debates, delayed as they are. hifiguy Oct 2015 #40
I imagine when the contrast between Bernie and Hillary is seen, Vinca Oct 2015 #20
She has surrounded herself with sycophants and ass kissers who only tell her what she wants to hear tularetom Oct 2015 #21
has the phrase "everyday americans" been scrapped? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #30
Of course there is still a very good chance she can get nominated AlbertCat Oct 2015 #38
+!. And no one can motivate more of the reichwing cave orcs hifiguy Oct 2015 #43
A Socialist on the ballot redstateblues Oct 2015 #46
Give it a rest, in the name of the FSM. hifiguy Oct 2015 #49
While true, to the average, low attention span voter Socialist = Communist. BillZBubb Oct 2015 #82
To the average voter, socialist = Democrat eridani Oct 2015 #153
I disagree. The average voter doesn't view Democrat = socialist. BillZBubb Oct 2015 #156
The RW has indeed convinced the general public that public goods are socialist, that is "bad" eridani Oct 2015 #161
Great read! Thanks for posting! leftupnorth Oct 2015 #26
Intelligent analysis. Bernie will win Tuesday. Hands down. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #29
Very interesting -- and insightful -- read. Hell Hath No Fury Oct 2015 #30
+1 nt jonno99 Oct 2015 #98
That is about the heart of it. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #131
Earthquake, guess this is a new look on the outcome, I will have to bookmark this one. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #36
Ouch! K&R magical thyme Oct 2015 #48
There ya go! Four out of the five candidates wanted MORE DEBATES. The 5th...wait for it in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #50
After the general in 2016, she is gone anyway. DFW Oct 2015 #95
but but but it's not up to her... LiberalLovinLug Oct 2015 #128
This is a great article that really sums up the difference between the two leading candidates. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #51
Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #119
a big issue is that the more Clinton's side uses its levers of party power the more it backfires MisterP Oct 2015 #55
"because these people aren’t nearly as smart as they think, this almost always backfires... " Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #58
"Barely leading". Hahaha! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #59
Now a 15-20 point lead is "barely" leading apparently. Yeah, no agenda there... nt Adrahil Oct 2015 #60
It is when it used to be a 60-point lead. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #61
The hill shills love to ignore that she is trailing in the first two contests and losing ground morningfog Oct 2015 #63
What is he complaining about? Sanders has made no discernible effort to join the party. ucrdem Oct 2015 #66
Doesn't matter. GDP is now a place for flamebait. Only one opinion is allowed. shenmue Oct 2015 #85
PARTY BEFORE POLICY DirtyHippyBastard Oct 2015 #91
Sanders has no party, no constituency, no bench and exactly two endorsements. ucrdem Oct 2015 #93
Well, you convinced me DirtyHippyBastard Oct 2015 #99
whistling in the dark... (nt) Ned Flanders Oct 2015 #101
Go ahead, ignore the fact that Bernie will defeat Clinton soundly enough that everyone notices We Want Bernie Oct 2015 #110
Thank you. 840high Oct 2015 #145
It's high time that the party join Bernie (and the rest of us). BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #120
Kicked and recommended, the author nailed it. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #70
Thank you, Willy Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #71
Yes It Is... WillyT Oct 2015 #88
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #72
So now limited debates are a GOOD thing. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #78
That is to be determined. BillZBubb Oct 2015 #86
Hm, big change in DNC photo in email I got from them today about the debate. Gmak Oct 2015 #97
Should the DNC Chair have the sole power to decide Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #102
That would be a good resolution Mnpaul Oct 2015 #121
Bernie suggested the Democrats debate the Republicans during primary season ALBliberal Oct 2015 #112
DWS picked the wrong horse, and she'll have to ride it out of town tomm2thumbs Oct 2015 #113
This looks like a way to explain a poor performance by Hillary and lower expectations. EEO Oct 2015 #114
i was wondering why the first debate is in a casino hopemountain Oct 2015 #115
Yes I noticed this too navarth Oct 2015 #125
Willy - thank you for 840high Oct 2015 #135
Anytime 840high, Anytime... WillyT Oct 2015 #140
"Clinton Loses First National Democratic Party Debate." Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #151
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