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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Sanders is a SOCIALIST. Pointing that out isn't "red-baiting". [View all]KansDem
(28,498 posts)43. Unfortunately, FOX News and right-wing blowhards have been successful...
...in equating "socialism" and "communism," making the two synonymous.
Here's what Sarah Palin said to Seah Hannity about Barack Obama--
"He believes in socialism, in redistributing, in confiscating hard-earned dollars of our small businessmen and women so that they cannot re-invest their dollars and hire more people and grow and expand," Palin continued. "Instead he believes in these failed socialist policies. And I say that not to personally condemn our president, but I say it because I face reality, and I see what's going on, and I see the path that we are on and the fact that Barack Obama has not had a budget in the four years that he's been in office and not been worried about it and continues to spend recklessly other people's money. And that is a sign of that idea of loving socialism."
Pressed by Hannity on her recent warning to Republican "wusses" who might agree to a fiscal cliff deal without massive spending cuts and sweeping entitlement reforms, Palin apologized for name-calling, but encouraged conservative lawmakers to combat a supposed tide of socialism, or perhaps worse, which she appeared to suggest would be brought forth by a fiscal cliff.
So I say, Republicans, go back to what the planks in your platform represent, Palin said. It represents reining in government, putting back the power and the responsibility in the individual, not in the state, not in government. Again, that gets us towards socialism. What goes beyond socialism, Sean, is communism. I know Im going to get slammed for speaking so bluntly about whats going on here, but that is exactly what is going on.
Huffington Post
Pressed by Hannity on her recent warning to Republican "wusses" who might agree to a fiscal cliff deal without massive spending cuts and sweeping entitlement reforms, Palin apologized for name-calling, but encouraged conservative lawmakers to combat a supposed tide of socialism, or perhaps worse, which she appeared to suggest would be brought forth by a fiscal cliff.
So I say, Republicans, go back to what the planks in your platform represent, Palin said. It represents reining in government, putting back the power and the responsibility in the individual, not in the state, not in government. Again, that gets us towards socialism. What goes beyond socialism, Sean, is communism. I know Im going to get slammed for speaking so bluntly about whats going on here, but that is exactly what is going on.
Huffington Post
I've heard right-wing commentators use "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably and it is very misleading.
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Public ownership of the means of production is the one defining element of all socialist models.
NuclearDem
Oct 2015
#38
re: "a socialist who believes that socialism should be arrived at through the democratic proces"
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#40
Did I say anything about "Pure" socialism? Here, in the USA, we don't have pure capitalism.
Walk away
Oct 2015
#71
A major aspect being overlooked here is that Bernie's message is POPULIST and that
appalachiablue
Oct 2015
#97
What you described--capitalists who believe in a regulated economy and a strong welfare state
NuclearDem
Oct 2015
#34
You are correct. He calls himself a socialist without using the "Democratic Socialist" modifier.
FSogol
Oct 2015
#51
It's a convenience. Bernie's not shy about the term Socialist, but I've also seen him
99th_Monkey
Oct 2015
#79
I don't (and don't think others should) attack him for that, but there is a huge segment of the
FSogol
Oct 2015
#82
It is when it's constantly pointed out to diminish, scare, negatively influence...
whatchamacallit
Oct 2015
#52
Welcome to the primaries - YOU seem to equate "socialist" with communism by saying "red bait"
karynnj
Oct 2015
#57
This is the quality of debate you get from Sanders supporters. You can't even talk about how
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#66
Saying he's a socialist is not red baiting, putting it in ALL CAPS kind of is.
Bread and Circus
Oct 2015
#74
Red-baiting requires harrasement, persecution, or deouncement due to perceived communist or
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2015
#76
Many of the responses to you are hilarious, and those are just the ones I can read.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#88
So I'll assume that you also approve of saying that LGBT people have a 'homosexual agenda' because
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2015
#110
Hussein is Obama's real middle name but you know what it means when people use it...
lame54
Oct 2015
#96
I'm gay and I have an agenda and yet to talk about the homosexual agenda is in fact gay baiting
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2015
#106