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http://steveleser.blogspot.com/2015/10/will-bernie-sanders-demagogue-hillary.htmlWill Bernie Sanders engage in Demagoguery against Hillary Clinton on the Iraq War Resolution during 1st Democratic debate?
Before I even start, since Sanders supporters tend to accuse people who support Hillary Clinton of duplicity to distract from whatever points they are making, note the two links to previous articles of mine at the bottom of this page where I make the same points back in 2006 and 2009.
In the lead up to todays first Presidential debate of the 2016 Democratic primary, indications have come from the Sanders camp that Bernie intends to bring up Hillary Clintons 2002 vote on the Iraq War Resolution to try to hurt her during the debate.
There is so much revisionist history pushed regarding that vote that I bet most folks dont even know they are engaging in revisionism.
The Iraq War Resolution vote, like UN Security CouncilResolution 1441 that occurred within a few weeks of each other were efforts to pressure Iraq to allow UN Weapons Inspectors back into the country. Allowing UN Weapons Inspectors into the country for a continuous inspection regime was part of a deal that Iraq struck in order for a cease fire to be put into effect at the end of the first Gulf War in 1991. This deal was enshrined in several UN Security Council Resolutions and were imposed on Iraq because Iraq had engaged in an unprovoked war of aggression against Kuwait and attempted to annex that small country.
In case anyone is unaware, engaging in an unprovoked war of aggression is a war crime.
So the Iraq War Resolution and UN Security Council 1441 were part of enforcing international law against a dictator and country that had engaged in a serious war crime.
There are literally hundreds of media articles backing up what I am saying here. Practically all you heard from June 2002 until December of 2003 in the media were articles and TV segments about efforts to force Iraq and Saddam Hussein to readmit the UN Weapons Inspectors.
Shortly after the Iraq War Resolution and UN Security Council 1441 were passed, Iraq did just that under the pressure of both of those measures. Iraq agreed to start obeying international law. Being that this is the case, I am alternatively amused and galled by the efforts of some to demagogue the vote on the Iraq War Resolution. It accomplished what it was designed to do.
That President George W. Bush misused the Iraq War Resolution several months later and invaded Iraq without justification for doing so doesnt make the IWR vote bad, it makes George W. Bush a criminal. Congress cannot be afraid to act to support the effort to have countries obey international law because of concerns the President might do something bad one day. The President alone is responsible for Presidential bad acts.
Id love to hear Hillary Clinton respond to any question about her vote by asking Bernie Sanders, why didnt you vote to put pressure on Iraq to start obeying international law as it had agreed to do at the end of the first gulf war. What would Sanders have been willing to do to uphold international law in this situation?
Let's turn this around a bit to make this even more clear. If the Iraq War Resolution vote was never held, or had it failed, Iraq would not have allowed weapons inspectors back into the country. That alone would have been justification for war per existing UN Resolutions. The ceasefire terms of the various 1991 UN Resolutions would have been violated by Iraq and thus the ceasefire would no longer exist.
My previous articles on the subject that I mentioned earlier are linked below and provide additional background. Its time for folks to stop engaging in revisionist history on this subject, and that includes Bernie Sanders and his surrogates.
12-19-2006: Iraq War - When the Wrong Path Was Taken and What to Do Now http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_061219_iraq_war__96_when_the_.htm
3-4-2009: Iraq War - Six Year Anniversary of what Should have Prevented it http://www.opednews.com/articles/Iraq-War--Six-Year-Annive-by-Steven-Leser-090304-145.html
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stevenleser
Oct 2015
OP
Men are allowed to mansplain when they are given appropriate pre-authorization, huh?
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2015
#141
No. Hillary can say she was wrong. It's only wrong for OTHER PEOPLE to point it out!
reformist2
Oct 2015
#137
Why don't you ask the 5000 dead American soldiers who fought and died in that war?
Major Hogwash
Oct 2015
#2
Who would have died anyway if the IWR hadnt passed because Iraq would have been in breach of
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#3
Yep. This is the kind of discourse you get from a lot of these folks. But they are quick
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#122
I can't believe the "you didn't serve" card was just pulled out on you on a progressive site. nt.
NCTraveler
Oct 2015
#19
You're really pointing the finger at Hillary supporters regarding teaming up?
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#87
Wow. I didn't think even Republicans believed that load anymore! Give it up already.
reformist2
Oct 2015
#139
How many americans died from unrestricted gun insanity right here at home
workinclasszero
Oct 2015
#9
While Hillary was quietly raking in profits from gun sales sitting on the BOD and as a shareholder
Snotcicles
Oct 2015
#100
I think you should quit pointing your finger at other candidates until you look at
Snotcicles
Oct 2015
#113
+ 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
orpupilofnature57
Oct 2015
#151
And that exactly what you are doing is engaging in demagoguery and revisionism.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#12
Oh for God's sake Steve. Everyone knew Bush wanted to invade Iraq. The inspectors was the excuse
neverforget
Oct 2015
#14
Assuming for a moment that's true. Not voting for IWR would have given him justification.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#15
And once the inspectors were readmitted they reported to the UN and the world that there were no WMD
George II
Oct 2015
#27
Exactly. That made the Iraq war an unprovoked war of aggression because there was no basis
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#31
How did everyone "know bush wanted to invade Iraq"? I keep hearing that but no one..
George II
Oct 2015
#25
That's why I didn't address it other than to say "assuming that's true" because it requires us to
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#32
Yep. This is a common aspect of the revisionism on this. People take things that happened on certain
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#58
No matter how many times you or others repeat that, it was a secret until a year or two AFTER...
George II
Oct 2015
#164
And on what date did the bush administration inform Congress and the rest of the country...
George II
Oct 2015
#99
It wasn't difficult to figure out that Bush and Cheney specifically had surrounded themselves
neverforget
Oct 2015
#81
You understand that Iraq was still in breach of international law at this time, right?
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#86
There were arguments in congress for how much teeth to put in the trigger. Ultimately
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#62
You are characterizing voting to support international law as being idiots? An interesting
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#66
Obviously you never read the document. "It was The Authorization for the use of Military Force"....
George II
Oct 2015
#37
the entire situation was manipulated, and the media were willing participants. Bernie voted against
still_one
Oct 2015
#105
That would be fantastic. I think you should call him up and tell him to do that. nt
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#23
All my points are supported. Your beliefs on responsibility for the Iraq war are simply wrong
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#34
Nope, all my points are supported. The arguments on the other side are all emotional. nt
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#59
Was Hillary fooled by Bush and Cheney or was it political cowardice that drove her decision?
virtualobserver
Oct 2015
#50
oops- fortunately we only experienced "modest and acceptable" casualties
virtualobserver
Oct 2015
#90
Like Vietnam, it was a war fought for PR. And, like Vietnam, we lost the war.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2015
#28
Why could I see what a mistake it was from my couch, when Hillary couldn't see it from Washington?
virtualobserver
Oct 2015
#46
Nope, they were voting to support international law that Iraq was violating at the time. nt
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#64
Yes, your response is birdcage lining. It doesnt address any points in the OP.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#36
Wait, it's now demagoguery to challenge people on their voting record? WTF!?
Bread and Circus
Oct 2015
#44
Hillary knew exactly what she was doing, she knew what Bush was gling to do. She supported him.
morningfog
Oct 2015
#51
We'll ask you again in 8 years, when you will have the opposite conclusion. (nt)
jeff47
Oct 2015
#52
Nope, I believed this 9 years ago. There is no other conclusion. This is supported by fact.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#60
Nope, not wooosh. Giving you the opportunity to take the high road, and you chose the low one.
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#69
Yes, I know, no one is entitled to change their mind but Saint Bernard. Keep pushing that meme!
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#72
I explained the change. You are just desperate to hang onto the meme. That's how bad the arguments
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#78
I didn't know you were a blogger and pundit. You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. p.s...
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#63
I read these replies and have to remind myself that they're coming from a grown man and "journalist"
frylock
Oct 2015
#104
So Clinton is wrong when she says her Iraq War Resolution vote was a mistake? n/t
PoliticAverse
Oct 2015
#98
Who would of thought in 2015 there would be people defending the invasion of Iraq
Truprogressive85
Oct 2015
#108
I wrote it so yeah, I know what I wrote. If you want to talk about it try reading it. Nt
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#159
You mean her voting record as an elected official is supposed to be off limits?
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2015
#138
Sorry Steven, gotta disagree with the notion that it would fit the definition of "demagoguery"...
phleshdef
Oct 2015
#147
Sure hope so. Truth is demagoguery to the promoters of the fictions that led to war.
mmonk
Oct 2015
#148
Iraq and Clinton Foundation donations. And TPP and probably NAFTA, artfully or otherwise.
ucrdem
Oct 2015
#163
Sounds like the interventionist wing is cooking up a rationale to start a war if they are stupidly
TheKentuckian
Oct 2015
#168