2016 Postmortem

OilemFirchen

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109. Discussing "real" vs. "online" is akin to arguing evolution vs. "Intelligent Design".

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 10:55 AM

Oct 2015

Both conversations are, of course, meaningless as they would presume that both "sides" have equal merit.

It begs the question: Why do creationists dominate the Internet, while evolutionists sit on their asses and refuse to participate?

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MYSTERY: Why don't Hillary's supporters vote in internet polls??? [View all] reformist2 Oct 2015 OP

Because they are meaningless so we don't bother. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #1

Is that why her rallies are thin also? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #7

No we don't get easily dazzled like others by huge rallies and we don't need to go to them hrmjustin Oct 2015 #10

So rallies are dazzling mind numbing spectacles? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #15

You dazzling interlect is a shining example to us all. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #18

My interlect? I haz an interlect? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #31

. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #33

I want one too!! redstateblues Oct 2015 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #93

Says you. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #94

And that's the problem. After decades of status quo, establishment candidates getting themselves sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #149

Vote for Sanders then. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #150

So no discussion, no commet. I don't need to be told who to vote for, I know who will work sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #159

You don't want Hillary, I do. You want Sanders, I don't. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #163

Dazzling retort! frylock Oct 2015 #170

It's a talent. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #171

This is not like you. sibelian Oct 2015 #197

Clinton was in the Senate for 8 years, Sanders in Congress/Senate for 25 years. George II Oct 2015 #157

Yes, she was. What did she accomplish? Her record is unimpressive, didn't get much done. Sanders sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #162

Sorry, she accomplished more in her 8 years than Sanders did in his 25 years. George II Oct 2015 #165

"Hillionaires don't do rallies, they do salons." m-lekktor Oct 2015 #37

It was sexist and offensive. George II Oct 2015 #118

Do you even know what a salon is? senz Oct 2015 #121

Do you know what a "Hillionaire" is? George II Oct 2015 #124

Well Staten Island who posts here artislife Oct 2015 #127

What a non sequitur. senz Oct 2015 #133

"Rise above the name-calling level, George II"? George II Oct 2015 #158

Her bankster backers? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #203

Lookin at one Georgie JackInGreen Oct 2015 #227

How is it sexist? progressoid Oct 2015 #219

Oddest. Post. Ever. Adrahil Oct 2015 #82

Do you even bedazzle, bro? frylock Oct 2015 #172

Sigh, The smart thing would be to focus on delegates and not....................................size uponit7771 Oct 2015 #21

Yeah delegates...K, how much do they cost? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #36

Yeah, evil Hillary is buying everyone in DC et al because everyone except Sanders is corrupt uponit7771 Oct 2015 #38

Proximity to power Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #79

"Proximity to power"? Sanders has been in Washington since 1989, Clinton didn't get there... George II Oct 2015 #129

So a first lady/SOS isn't an insider? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #210

Once again, Sanders was elected in 1988 and has been serving in Congress/Senate since 1989... George II Oct 2015 #212

Sanders is a political outsider AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #214

Sanders has partipated in the Democratic Caucus (in each house) for 25 years, Clinton for... George II Oct 2015 #217

So the consumate outsider is an insider, cuz he was in Washington more calendar days? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #220

Yes. The Clintons scare their fellow political types. senz Oct 2015 #141

You should do some reading about Sanders in Vermont if you want to see "vindictiveness". George II Oct 2015 #182

Especially those superdelegates, who don't even have to campaign to go to the convention! reformist2 Oct 2015 #42

I love that Hillary supporters are claiming they don't "do" rallies. LOL! reformist2 Oct 2015 #57

Its rich cprise Oct 2015 #66

It's utterly beneath them.. frylock Oct 2015 #173

They don't do rallies or online polls lol AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #204

Massive Colorado Rally for Romney/Ryan! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #65

How juvenile. JTFrog Oct 2015 #98

Personal attack? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #99

Oh please. JTFrog Oct 2015 #102

Except for her announcement "rally" she hasn't really had a full-blown rally. She's been.... George II Oct 2015 #131

No rally because no turnout. it's that simple Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #168

How many rallies have been called off because of no turnout? George II Oct 2015 #181

With 200 advisers I'm sure they didn't count chicken before they hatched Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #184

That's because she can't get enough people to attend AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #205

I don't think that's the case at all. She had no problem attracting crowds in 2008, but this still. George II Oct 2015 #207

Her support has been ebbing since May AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #208

Both she and her opponents (except for Biden) have had no momentum, only minimal.... George II Oct 2015 #215

She was at 80% in May AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #218

She doesn't conduct her rallies "online". "Online" is the point of this OP, not rallies. George II Oct 2015 #166

So says the person posting on the internet. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #135

Well if you actually read my post I never said the internet is meaningless. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #140

You can't have it both ways. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #151

Let us try this again. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #153

yes let's try this again... I call Bullshit Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #154

I am a Hillary Hack? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #155

Yes, internet polls do "mean something". They mean the entity conducting them is getting paid... George II Oct 2015 #156

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #160

OH, aspirant Oct 2015 #169

If she was ahead in them you would be gloating AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #216

I guess we'll all find out how meaningless they are on 3/2 oasis Oct 2015 #164

Except when it disagrees with you AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #211

That did not make any sense so... hrmjustin Oct 2015 #238

They feverishly vote as many times as possible AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #209

Non-entities don't vote Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #2

Ask Mittens how all his online "poll" victories helped him. Adrahil Oct 2015 #86

So Bernie is now Mittens? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #90

Nope. But online "polls" are JUST as useless now as they were then Adrahil Oct 2015 #106

Exactly. "...online "polls" are JUST as useless now as they were then." Hortensis Oct 2015 #148

As opposed to opinions from pundits that the vast majority of Clinton supporters despised.. frylock Oct 2015 #177

How many online "poll" victories did Romney have? frylock Oct 2015 #175

Myanmar re(pre)sents that post. nt artislife Oct 2015 #128

Obviously Sanders' organizers weren't concerned about buying votes, but they were concerned about... George II Oct 2015 #242

Maybe they're busy working to get her elected? nt justiceischeap Oct 2015 #3

Busy after watching a debate? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #12

Really? Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #27

All I hear in this part of the country is, madokie Oct 2015 #44

They're sitting on national poll numbers, Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #48

Yes madokie Oct 2015 #55

Note: where are teh 'scientific polls' that we keep hearing about? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #213

Only Bernie supporters are wealthy enough to afford an internet connection Fumesucker Oct 2015 #4

Because they're meaningless and dumb. sufrommich Oct 2015 #5

Can I quote you next time darkangel218 Oct 2015 #9

If it's an online click bait poll,feel free to quote me sufrommich Oct 2015 #11

As opposed to a poll of 500 people... Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #17

Science is hard. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #24

Not as hard as the heads of "true believers" Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #28

How are you any different than the Romney people on unskewthepolls.com? mythology Oct 2015 #59

I don't like science? NO, just don't care for twisted statistics Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #87

Apparently so darkangel218 Oct 2015 #30

+1! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #26

"Click bait" polls darkangel218 Oct 2015 #23

Do you not understand the difference between tammywammy Oct 2015 #70

Oh, I understand it plenty. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #73

Have you ever taken a statistics class? tammywammy Oct 2015 #80

It's fine if you don't care, many others do. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #88

Anyone that puts a lot of stock into online polling tammywammy Oct 2015 #92

Prove your phone polls aspirant Oct 2015 #176

but posting on DU isn't? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #137

Is the 2 million in donations to Sanders since last night also meaningless and dumb? frylock Oct 2015 #178

They don't count because 'teh interwebs'. AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #222

If she was ahead in them, you would be bragging about it AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #221

Bwahahahahahahahahaha! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #6

I absolutely concede that Hillary is a huge underdog Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #8

or the portion of the population that is going to rallies, or making donations. frylock Oct 2015 #225

A very good question. Etraker Oct 2015 #13

Wow, that sucks. OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #100

Tell that to your ever-evolving candidate. frylock Oct 2015 #180

I am on record as utterly disinterested in the individual candidates. OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #186

I was programmed by Communists to love Bernie Sanders. frylock Oct 2015 #188

That's so hip! OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #189

Vast majority of interpoll participants are young white male.. DCBob Oct 2015 #14

Lol no. elehhhhna Oct 2015 #45

Exactly madokie Oct 2015 #61

The excuses become more and more ludacris AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #230

Hillary supporters are not scientists, but they understand statistical science. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #16

Really? Do tell us of this vast knowledge of statistics Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #25

Statistical science and random sampling have a long history of development....google it! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #34

You realize phone surveys are not random samples? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #72

Sure, I actually am a statistical analyst and you're dead wrong Godhumor Oct 2015 #60

Enlighten us, why don't Hillionairs participate online? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #74

You're asking the wrong question Godhumor Oct 2015 #89

The OP askes why Hillionairs don't participate online Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #91

Good for the OP. I'm addressing the lack of statistical understanding in your subthread Godhumor Oct 2015 #95

OK, lay the truth on us professor Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #97

There is a massive difference between an online click to vote poll Godhumor Oct 2015 #104

And that last paragraph doesn't apply to phone polls because....? jeff47 Oct 2015 #112

Because of the way sampling and populations work Godhumor Oct 2015 #122

You are no longer including the majority of the population. jeff47 Oct 2015 #123

Most real polls get up to about 40% cellphone these days Godhumor Oct 2015 #125

The vast majority get well below 40%. jeff47 Oct 2015 #126

Scientific rigor is meaningless in the face of BIAS Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #113

There is a lack of understanding on how polling works Godhumor Oct 2015 #119

Please explain why he wins in EVERY one? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #226

Results of your Jury Service senz Oct 2015 #108

I haz bin alert stalked! Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #114

LOL! senz Oct 2015 #120

Why are you all about the name calling and ridiculous attacks? JTFrog Oct 2015 #105

Discussing "real" vs. "online" is akin to arguing evolution vs. "Intelligent Design". OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #109

Aren't you embarrassed in the slightest leftynyc Oct 2015 #68

Scientific doesn't equal acurate Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #76

Are you claiming leftynyc Oct 2015 #84

Nice straw man you got there Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #96

No strawman at all leftynyc Oct 2015 #195

Every poll says the same thing AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #232

No - maybe internet polls leftynyc Oct 2015 #235

Every internet poll has him slaughtering her AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #228

All INTERNET polls are worthless leftynyc Oct 2015 #234

If she was ahead in these polls, you would be shouting from the rooftops AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #223

Internet polls! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #19

They do, of course. They just aren't as numerous as the media claimed. /nt Marr Oct 2015 #20

Vast left-wing conspiracy against her portlander23 Oct 2015 #22

ha ha. You need to admit those push Internet polls are meaningless. But riversedge Oct 2015 #29

But how come she never wins ANY internet poll? Is the enthusiasm gap THAT bad??? reformist2 Oct 2015 #52

It's still early, darkangel218 Oct 2015 #32

I voted for Kerry on every internet poll I could find redstateblues Oct 2015 #35

Actually Kerry madokie Oct 2015 #50

because we have better things to do that freep polls all night long Florencenj2point0 Oct 2015 #39

lol Zorra Oct 2015 #47

Very Serious People doing Very Serious things. frylock Oct 2015 #187

I think you may be on to something. nt Zorra Oct 2015 #40

Maybe ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #41

I don't vote in them because they are stupid OKNancy Oct 2015 #43

So Hillary supporters just naturally resist the urge to click?? Whereas Bernie supporters can't help reformist2 Oct 2015 #46

That isn't the meaning of my post at all OKNancy Oct 2015 #51

I can just see them po-faced near their screens, Resisting... Urge... cprise Oct 2015 #62

What a ridiculous bunch of crap leftynyc Oct 2015 #75

Who is "we"? What makes you so different? cprise Oct 2015 #107

The "we" would be those leftynyc Oct 2015 #194

Sorry, neither the self-selecting nor the freeping arguments cprise Oct 2015 #198

What circumstances leftynyc Oct 2015 #200

You're entitled to obsess over Internet polls and ignore the other indicators. eom cprise Oct 2015 #201

And those indicators would be leftynyc Oct 2015 #202

So every poll is being gamed for Sanders? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #233

How many times are leftynyc Oct 2015 #236

And every focus group too AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #237

LOL leftynyc Oct 2015 #239

The keyboard warriors were out in full force Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #56

Keyboard warriors, lol Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #115

Descended on BLM in coordinated attacks?! haikugal Oct 2015 #241

She can't win an internet poll AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #224

We already know that Hillary won..... riversedge Oct 2015 #49

Because they've been chased off and banned from the internet Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #53

I think a lot of people don't have time to hunt down every internet poll out there. Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2015 #54

Ron Paul always won every internet poll too Reter Oct 2015 #58

'Long Shot' Kucinich Buries Democratic Rivals in Nationwide Poll Among Independent Voters Freddie Stubbs Oct 2015 #63

Dennis who? redstateblues Oct 2015 #81

Those internet polls worked out good for workinclasszero Oct 2015 #192

Because they are fucking useless. A waste of time, IMO. Adrahil Oct 2015 #64

You don't suppose the freepers vote for Bernie redstateblues Oct 2015 #69

Maybe, but that wasn't my point. Adrahil Oct 2015 #78

OR leftynyc Oct 2015 #67

Its sooo easy to surf the internet and click a button workinclasszero Oct 2015 #71

So Hillary's supporters are busy working, whereas Bernie's surf the internet all day? LOL reformist2 Oct 2015 #103

Unless you support Hillary AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #231

Online polls are meaningless tammywammy Oct 2015 #77

I can't answer for everyone dsc Oct 2015 #85

I love internet BS polls for the opposition workinclasszero Oct 2015 #101

I don't think Hillary supporters identify with "the masses." senz Oct 2015 #110

but the "people" are revolting! demwing Oct 2015 #138

lol, thanks, I love it! senz Oct 2015 #142

Because it is a waste of time. lunamagica Oct 2015 #111

As much a waste of time as typing "it's a waste of time"??? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #117

See reply 145 lunamagica Oct 2015 #146

As opposed to arguing politics in an online forum? demwing Oct 2015 #132

I'm glad my reply was so funny to you. Arguing in an online forum is not a waste of time to me, lunamagica Oct 2015 #145

I'm a Hillary supporter; I know the internet exists; I don't vote in online "polls" brooklynite Oct 2015 #116

It is strange artislife Oct 2015 #130

As a Bernie supporter NobodyHere Oct 2015 #134

As a Bernie supporter demwing Oct 2015 #139

I'm referring to the people who think online polls are on par with scientific polls NobodyHere Oct 2015 #143

Then as a Bernie supporter demwing Oct 2015 #144

Many of us minorities just don't do that. Most of us like Hillary, though. nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #136

Because we don't particularly give a hoot about internet polls. Beacool Oct 2015 #147

We vote when it really counts. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #152

Like in 2014 mid terms? aspirant Oct 2015 #185

They Believe That The Internet Is A Series Of Tubes ??? WillyT Oct 2015 #161

No Willy - you lost Blus4u Oct 2015 #240

I honestly haven't voted in one online poll since the debate last night and I am an enthusiastic and Metric System Oct 2015 #167

Maybe they are afraid the NSA is watching their online responses. n/t Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #174

To confuse you. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #179

I'd tell you but... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #183

Perhaps because they are out registering voters BainsBane Oct 2015 #190

Ah. A panic thread. onehandle Oct 2015 #191

Bernie fans are in a panic all over this board workinclasszero Oct 2015 #206

Broad support, but how solid? Babel_17 Oct 2015 #193

They do AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #196

Because internet polls are easy to GAME Sunlei Oct 2015 #199

I never take part in polls Tarc Oct 2015 #229

Hillary supporters usually flood online polls Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #243

I never see any. Perhaps I'm just not paying attention. Or � NurseJackie Oct 2015 #244

Jitterbug doesn't have a smart phone? n/t winter is coming Oct 2015 #245