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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
112. And that last paragraph doesn't apply to phone polls because....?
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:26 AM
Oct 2015
All an online poll does is show how the people who decided to vote in an online poll voted. It is literally impossible to make any conclusions beyond that.

And a telephone poll shows how the people who decided to vote in a telephone poll voted.

Additionally, we recently "crossed the line" where a majority of households no longer have a landline. Which means you can't robo-dial a majority of households. Legally, the pollster has to type in the number by hand, greatly slowing down polling.

So we're now getting things like a recent PPP poll that was 80% landline, 20% online. That landine part is no longer representative of the overall population. And the landline part still has a self-selection bias - caller ID means lots of people no longer bother picking up for numbers they do not recognize.

Long story short, we're going to have to change how we do polling, because the results are going to get less and less accurate as time goes on.

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Because they are meaningless so we don't bother. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #1
Is that why her rallies are thin also? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #7
No we don't get easily dazzled like others by huge rallies and we don't need to go to them hrmjustin Oct 2015 #10
So rallies are dazzling mind numbing spectacles? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #15
You dazzling interlect is a shining example to us all. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #18
My interlect? I haz an interlect? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #31
. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #33
I want one too!! redstateblues Oct 2015 #83
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #93
Says you. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #94
And that's the problem. After decades of status quo, establishment candidates getting themselves sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #149
Vote for Sanders then. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #150
So no discussion, no commet. I don't need to be told who to vote for, I know who will work sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #159
You don't want Hillary, I do. You want Sanders, I don't. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #163
Dazzling retort! frylock Oct 2015 #170
It's a talent. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #171
This is not like you. sibelian Oct 2015 #197
Clinton was in the Senate for 8 years, Sanders in Congress/Senate for 25 years. George II Oct 2015 #157
Yes, she was. What did she accomplish? Her record is unimpressive, didn't get much done. Sanders sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #162
Sorry, she accomplished more in her 8 years than Sanders did in his 25 years. George II Oct 2015 #165
"Hillionaires don't do rallies, they do salons." m-lekktor Oct 2015 #37
It was sexist and offensive. George II Oct 2015 #118
Do you even know what a salon is? senz Oct 2015 #121
Do you know what a "Hillionaire" is? George II Oct 2015 #124
Well Staten Island who posts here artislife Oct 2015 #127
What a non sequitur. senz Oct 2015 #133
"Rise above the name-calling level, George II"? George II Oct 2015 #158
Her bankster backers? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #203
Lookin at one Georgie JackInGreen Oct 2015 #227
How is it sexist? progressoid Oct 2015 #219
Oddest. Post. Ever. Adrahil Oct 2015 #82
Do you even bedazzle, bro? frylock Oct 2015 #172
Sigh, The smart thing would be to focus on delegates and not....................................size uponit7771 Oct 2015 #21
Yeah delegates...K, how much do they cost? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #36
Yeah, evil Hillary is buying everyone in DC et al because everyone except Sanders is corrupt uponit7771 Oct 2015 #38
Proximity to power Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #79
"Proximity to power"? Sanders has been in Washington since 1989, Clinton didn't get there... George II Oct 2015 #129
So a first lady/SOS isn't an insider? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #210
Once again, Sanders was elected in 1988 and has been serving in Congress/Senate since 1989... George II Oct 2015 #212
Sanders is a political outsider AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #214
Sanders has partipated in the Democratic Caucus (in each house) for 25 years, Clinton for... George II Oct 2015 #217
So the consumate outsider is an insider, cuz he was in Washington more calendar days? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #220
Yes. The Clintons scare their fellow political types. senz Oct 2015 #141
You should do some reading about Sanders in Vermont if you want to see "vindictiveness". George II Oct 2015 #182
Especially those superdelegates, who don't even have to campaign to go to the convention! reformist2 Oct 2015 #42
I love that Hillary supporters are claiming they don't "do" rallies. LOL! reformist2 Oct 2015 #57
Its rich cprise Oct 2015 #66
It's utterly beneath them.. frylock Oct 2015 #173
They don't do rallies or online polls lol AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #204
Massive Colorado Rally for Romney/Ryan! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #65
How juvenile. JTFrog Oct 2015 #98
Personal attack? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #99
Oh please. JTFrog Oct 2015 #102
Except for her announcement "rally" she hasn't really had a full-blown rally. She's been.... George II Oct 2015 #131
No rally because no turnout. it's that simple Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #168
How many rallies have been called off because of no turnout? George II Oct 2015 #181
With 200 advisers I'm sure they didn't count chicken before they hatched Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #184
That's because she can't get enough people to attend AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #205
I don't think that's the case at all. She had no problem attracting crowds in 2008, but this still. George II Oct 2015 #207
Her support has been ebbing since May AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #208
Both she and her opponents (except for Biden) have had no momentum, only minimal.... George II Oct 2015 #215
She was at 80% in May AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #218
She doesn't conduct her rallies "online". "Online" is the point of this OP, not rallies. George II Oct 2015 #166
So says the person posting on the internet. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #135
Well if you actually read my post I never said the internet is meaningless. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #140
You can't have it both ways. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #151
Let us try this again. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #153
yes let's try this again... I call Bullshit Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #154
I am a Hillary Hack? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #155
Yes, internet polls do "mean something". They mean the entity conducting them is getting paid... George II Oct 2015 #156
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #160
OH, aspirant Oct 2015 #169
If she was ahead in them you would be gloating AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #216
I guess we'll all find out how meaningless they are on 3/2 oasis Oct 2015 #164
Except when it disagrees with you AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #211
That did not make any sense so... hrmjustin Oct 2015 #238
They feverishly vote as many times as possible AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #209
Non-entities don't vote Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #2
Ask Mittens how all his online "poll" victories helped him. Adrahil Oct 2015 #86
So Bernie is now Mittens? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #90
Nope. But online "polls" are JUST as useless now as they were then Adrahil Oct 2015 #106
Exactly. "...online "polls" are JUST as useless now as they were then." Hortensis Oct 2015 #148
As opposed to opinions from pundits that the vast majority of Clinton supporters despised.. frylock Oct 2015 #177
How many online "poll" victories did Romney have? frylock Oct 2015 #175
Myanmar re(pre)sents that post. nt artislife Oct 2015 #128
Obviously Sanders' organizers weren't concerned about buying votes, but they were concerned about... George II Oct 2015 #242
Maybe they're busy working to get her elected? nt justiceischeap Oct 2015 #3
Busy after watching a debate? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #12
Really? Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #27
All I hear in this part of the country is, madokie Oct 2015 #44
They're sitting on national poll numbers, Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #48
Yes madokie Oct 2015 #55
Note: where are teh 'scientific polls' that we keep hearing about? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #213
Only Bernie supporters are wealthy enough to afford an internet connection Fumesucker Oct 2015 #4
Because they're meaningless and dumb. sufrommich Oct 2015 #5
Can I quote you next time darkangel218 Oct 2015 #9
If it's an online click bait poll,feel free to quote me sufrommich Oct 2015 #11
As opposed to a poll of 500 people... Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #17
Science is hard. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #24
Not as hard as the heads of "true believers" Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #28
How are you any different than the Romney people on unskewthepolls.com? mythology Oct 2015 #59
I don't like science? NO, just don't care for twisted statistics Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #87
Apparently so darkangel218 Oct 2015 #30
+1! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #26
"Click bait" polls darkangel218 Oct 2015 #23
Do you not understand the difference between tammywammy Oct 2015 #70
Oh, I understand it plenty. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #73
Have you ever taken a statistics class? tammywammy Oct 2015 #80
It's fine if you don't care, many others do. darkangel218 Oct 2015 #88
Anyone that puts a lot of stock into online polling tammywammy Oct 2015 #92
Prove your phone polls aspirant Oct 2015 #176
but posting on DU isn't? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #137
Is the 2 million in donations to Sanders since last night also meaningless and dumb? frylock Oct 2015 #178
They don't count because 'teh interwebs'. AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #222
If she was ahead in them, you would be bragging about it AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #221
Bwahahahahahahahahaha! darkangel218 Oct 2015 #6
I absolutely concede that Hillary is a huge underdog Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #8
or the portion of the population that is going to rallies, or making donations. frylock Oct 2015 #225
A very good question. Etraker Oct 2015 #13
Wow, that sucks. OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #100
Tell that to your ever-evolving candidate. frylock Oct 2015 #180
I am on record as utterly disinterested in the individual candidates. OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #186
I was programmed by Communists to love Bernie Sanders. frylock Oct 2015 #188
That's so hip! OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #189
Vast majority of interpoll participants are young white male.. DCBob Oct 2015 #14
Lol no. elehhhhna Oct 2015 #45
Exactly madokie Oct 2015 #61
The excuses become more and more ludacris AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #230
Hillary supporters are not scientists, but they understand statistical science. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #16
Really? Do tell us of this vast knowledge of statistics Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #25
Statistical science and random sampling have a long history of development....google it! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #34
You realize phone surveys are not random samples? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #72
Sure, I actually am a statistical analyst and you're dead wrong Godhumor Oct 2015 #60
Enlighten us, why don't Hillionairs participate online? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #74
You're asking the wrong question Godhumor Oct 2015 #89
The OP askes why Hillionairs don't participate online Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #91
Good for the OP. I'm addressing the lack of statistical understanding in your subthread Godhumor Oct 2015 #95
OK, lay the truth on us professor Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #97
There is a massive difference between an online click to vote poll Godhumor Oct 2015 #104
And that last paragraph doesn't apply to phone polls because....? jeff47 Oct 2015 #112
Because of the way sampling and populations work Godhumor Oct 2015 #122
You are no longer including the majority of the population. jeff47 Oct 2015 #123
Most real polls get up to about 40% cellphone these days Godhumor Oct 2015 #125
The vast majority get well below 40%. jeff47 Oct 2015 #126
Scientific rigor is meaningless in the face of BIAS Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #113
There is a lack of understanding on how polling works Godhumor Oct 2015 #119
Please explain why he wins in EVERY one? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #226
Results of your Jury Service senz Oct 2015 #108
I haz bin alert stalked! Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #114
LOL! senz Oct 2015 #120
Why are you all about the name calling and ridiculous attacks? JTFrog Oct 2015 #105
Discussing "real" vs. "online" is akin to arguing evolution vs. "Intelligent Design". OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #109
Aren't you embarrassed in the slightest leftynyc Oct 2015 #68
Scientific doesn't equal acurate Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #76
Are you claiming leftynyc Oct 2015 #84
Nice straw man you got there Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #96
No strawman at all leftynyc Oct 2015 #195
Every poll says the same thing AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #232
No - maybe internet polls leftynyc Oct 2015 #235
Every internet poll has him slaughtering her AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #228
All INTERNET polls are worthless leftynyc Oct 2015 #234
If she was ahead in these polls, you would be shouting from the rooftops AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #223
Internet polls! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #19
They do, of course. They just aren't as numerous as the media claimed. /nt Marr Oct 2015 #20
Vast left-wing conspiracy against her portlander23 Oct 2015 #22
ha ha. You need to admit those push Internet polls are meaningless. But riversedge Oct 2015 #29
But how come she never wins ANY internet poll? Is the enthusiasm gap THAT bad??? reformist2 Oct 2015 #52
It's still early, darkangel218 Oct 2015 #32
I voted for Kerry on every internet poll I could find redstateblues Oct 2015 #35
Actually Kerry madokie Oct 2015 #50
because we have better things to do that freep polls all night long Florencenj2point0 Oct 2015 #39
lol Zorra Oct 2015 #47
Very Serious People doing Very Serious things. frylock Oct 2015 #187
I think you may be on to something. nt Zorra Oct 2015 #40
Maybe ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #41
I don't vote in them because they are stupid OKNancy Oct 2015 #43
So Hillary supporters just naturally resist the urge to click?? Whereas Bernie supporters can't help reformist2 Oct 2015 #46
That isn't the meaning of my post at all OKNancy Oct 2015 #51
I can just see them po-faced near their screens, Resisting... Urge... cprise Oct 2015 #62
What a ridiculous bunch of crap leftynyc Oct 2015 #75
Who is "we"? What makes you so different? cprise Oct 2015 #107
The "we" would be those leftynyc Oct 2015 #194
Sorry, neither the self-selecting nor the freeping arguments cprise Oct 2015 #198
What circumstances leftynyc Oct 2015 #200
You're entitled to obsess over Internet polls and ignore the other indicators. eom cprise Oct 2015 #201
And those indicators would be leftynyc Oct 2015 #202
So every poll is being gamed for Sanders? AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #233
How many times are leftynyc Oct 2015 #236
And every focus group too AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #237
LOL leftynyc Oct 2015 #239
The keyboard warriors were out in full force Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #56
Keyboard warriors, lol Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #115
Descended on BLM in coordinated attacks?! haikugal Oct 2015 #241
She can't win an internet poll AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #224
We already know that Hillary won..... riversedge Oct 2015 #49
Because they've been chased off and banned from the internet Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #53
I think a lot of people don't have time to hunt down every internet poll out there. Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2015 #54
Ron Paul always won every internet poll too Reter Oct 2015 #58
'Long Shot' Kucinich Buries Democratic Rivals in Nationwide Poll Among Independent Voters Freddie Stubbs Oct 2015 #63
Dennis who? redstateblues Oct 2015 #81
Those internet polls worked out good for workinclasszero Oct 2015 #192
Because they are fucking useless. A waste of time, IMO. Adrahil Oct 2015 #64
You don't suppose the freepers vote for Bernie redstateblues Oct 2015 #69
Maybe, but that wasn't my point. Adrahil Oct 2015 #78
OR leftynyc Oct 2015 #67
Its sooo easy to surf the internet and click a button workinclasszero Oct 2015 #71
So Hillary's supporters are busy working, whereas Bernie's surf the internet all day? LOL reformist2 Oct 2015 #103
Unless you support Hillary AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #231
Online polls are meaningless tammywammy Oct 2015 #77
I can't answer for everyone dsc Oct 2015 #85
I love internet BS polls for the opposition workinclasszero Oct 2015 #101
I don't think Hillary supporters identify with "the masses." senz Oct 2015 #110
but the "people" are revolting! demwing Oct 2015 #138
lol, thanks, I love it! senz Oct 2015 #142
Because it is a waste of time. lunamagica Oct 2015 #111
As much a waste of time as typing "it's a waste of time"??? Cosmic Kitten Oct 2015 #117
See reply 145 lunamagica Oct 2015 #146
As opposed to arguing politics in an online forum? demwing Oct 2015 #132
I'm glad my reply was so funny to you. Arguing in an online forum is not a waste of time to me, lunamagica Oct 2015 #145
I'm a Hillary supporter; I know the internet exists; I don't vote in online "polls" brooklynite Oct 2015 #116
It is strange artislife Oct 2015 #130
As a Bernie supporter NobodyHere Oct 2015 #134
As a Bernie supporter demwing Oct 2015 #139
I'm referring to the people who think online polls are on par with scientific polls NobodyHere Oct 2015 #143
Then as a Bernie supporter demwing Oct 2015 #144
Many of us minorities just don't do that. Most of us like Hillary, though. nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #136
Because we don't particularly give a hoot about internet polls. Beacool Oct 2015 #147
We vote when it really counts. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #152
Like in 2014 mid terms? aspirant Oct 2015 #185
They Believe That The Internet Is A Series Of Tubes ??? WillyT Oct 2015 #161
No Willy - you lost Blus4u Oct 2015 #240
I honestly haven't voted in one online poll since the debate last night and I am an enthusiastic and Metric System Oct 2015 #167
Maybe they are afraid the NSA is watching their online responses. n/t Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #174
To confuse you. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #179
I'd tell you but... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #183
Perhaps because they are out registering voters BainsBane Oct 2015 #190
Ah. A panic thread. onehandle Oct 2015 #191
Bernie fans are in a panic all over this board workinclasszero Oct 2015 #206
Broad support, but how solid? Babel_17 Oct 2015 #193
They do AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #196
Because internet polls are easy to GAME Sunlei Oct 2015 #199
I never take part in polls Tarc Oct 2015 #229
Hillary supporters usually flood online polls Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #243
I never see any. Perhaps I'm just not paying attention. Or … NurseJackie Oct 2015 #244
Jitterbug doesn't have a smart phone? n/t winter is coming Oct 2015 #245
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