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2016 Postmortem

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zazen

(2,978 posts)
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:40 AM Oct 2015

Do any other Bernie supporters feel better about voting for HRC in general election? [View all]

My frustration with HRC was really high going into this debate.

But I realized that I'd be happy with EVERY PERSON ON THAT STAGE in, yes, a Clinton-led cabinet (Webb, tightly reined, back in Defense, Chaffee at Interior, O'Malley as VP), with Sanders mobilizing monthly marches to hold their feet to the fire and help transform politics at state levels as well.

What struck me, a long-time radical feminist who opposes HRC on her neoliberal policies, is that as long as HRC can actually be REAL--can actually explain to us that she isn't just cynically manipulating people but has reasons for her reserve, her calculation, her position changes, and that she actually is human enough to get pissed off at the Republicans and has the passion to call them on their shit--I can tolerate her candidacy without flinching. In fact, I can be proud of her strength.

When she says she doesn't have a position yet on something, I can handle that if she consistently says she wants all of the information before she commits. If part of how she sincerely forms positions is that she waits to decide what reflects what the people want and what can actually get done, well, I can handle that. That's a strategy. One doesn't have to agree with it, but if there's a moral compass there, somewhere, I can handle it. I sensed last night for the first time in 15 years that she does have a moral compass.

And honestly, as much as I'm so grateful for Sanders' leadership of the nascent 21st century American economic equality movement (whatever it's going to end up being called, because it's not going away), I don't know how well that would translate into presidential leadership without a cadre of democratic socialists up and down the ticket. And I don't know how well he could manage that position. I think his role, and on some level he knows this, is as the John the Baptist/Jewish prophet-type agitator and mobilizer, and in this he's already won--we've already won--because WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE JOB. Whether we win a primary or a general election, we've got lots of work to do. The mass mobilization of Americans against the oligarchs is happening and isn't going away. A serious candidate for President is a self-avowed socialist and is mobilizing 15-20% of the electorate, many of whom are young and will become more committed to these positions as they grow older. This is awesome.

A passionate, pissed off Hillary, when held to economic populist standards by a nascent, vocal democratic socialist movement fueled through social media and community activism, will begin to get 'er done in a reasoned way. She IS highly competent across a range of fronts. She really is an impressive leader.

I do not like admitting this.

The idiot mainstream media's terror of "socialism" and their disregard of their own focus groups and polling results notwithstanding, I do see her as the next President of the United States, with Martin O'Malley as her VP (that might be the bone she has to throw to the economic populists, that and Debbie's head). He is one serious attack dog, when properly harnessed. Bernie can keep mobilizing the monthly marches to take back our country. No President alone is going to be able to do it anyway. And a President doesn't have time to mobilize--that's the job of the agitator. Bernie's better at whipping up the base than she is. We need both simultaneously.

I'll vote for Bernie in the NC primary and keep campaigning for him, because as he knows best, his candidacy is the way to begin educating other Americans that our system is broken and there are alternatives.

But this morning, I am a bit relieved, and hopeful, and reminded that we've all got our work to do. In the likely event that Sanders "loses," he and we are still "winning," because we need a lot more than the Presidency to make the changes that need to occur in this country. In that sense, let her be the negotiator, while we keep agitating. The long game is too important.





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I wish the narrative of bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #1
I want the Movement to "win" regardless of whether he wins nomination zazen Oct 2015 #4
All very true... haikugal Oct 2015 #5
"he's running to advance a movement" No he bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #28
Doesn't matter Robbins Oct 2015 #2
Regardless of who the nominee is the other and their supporters will have to join in Snotcicles Oct 2015 #19
Absolutely Agree! bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #29
Hell no. Dawgs Oct 2015 #3
Nope. And, I won't vote for her. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #23
No. I don't feel better about Clinton at all. nt haikugal Oct 2015 #7
No. Her performance was just that a azmom Oct 2015 #8
"with Sanders mobilizing monthly marches" lol. Nice try, no cigar n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #9
+1 Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #15
Why vote for her when ... CountAllVotes Oct 2015 #10
I said I'm still voting for Bernie in the primary, but I won't sit out GE if she's nominee zazen Oct 2015 #13
Nobody on this board is "sitting out this election." Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #34
referring to my comment as "shit" is weirdly harsh--I feel like I'm in some alternate universe here zazen Oct 2015 #36
This is GD-P. Wear a cup. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #37
nope Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #11
I don't trust a word she says. Broward Oct 2015 #12
No. HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #14
One thing that I'm more sure of is she won't be helping my own Middle Class economies highprincipleswork Oct 2015 #16
Option of HRC not changed nor will it change. My vote will not change nor go to her either. YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #17
No. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #18
Nope not a chance I'll vote for her pinebox Oct 2015 #20
Yes nt KT2000 Oct 2015 #21
No. I'm done with neoliberals forever. Zorra Oct 2015 #22
Sorry, but no. 99Forever Oct 2015 #24
nope. in fact i am even more concerned restorefreedom Oct 2015 #25
No. SamKnause Oct 2015 #26
I feel the same way about bernie gwheezie Oct 2015 #27
I feel more confident that Bernie can and will win the primary as long as we magical thyme Oct 2015 #30
No. I will credit Hillary with presenting herself well LondonReign2 Oct 2015 #31
no elana i am Oct 2015 #32
Being a Decline to State in California Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Oct 2015 #35
No. n/t winter is coming Oct 2015 #38
No Pastiche423 Oct 2015 #39
No. She did very well last night. I still don't trust her. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #40
No she's more corporate than ever. JRLeft Oct 2015 #41
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