2016 Postmortem

gcomeau

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22. Given online click polls are extremely unreliable.

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 06:36 PM

Oct 2015

That being the case of course the "credible news outlets" with the "actual journalists" shouldn't fucking well be conducting them in the first place if they know that and are going to ignore the results.

However, having disregarded the overwhelming results of their own informal polls... they then proceeded to declare the opposite result based on... what actual credible scientific polling or research? Their focus group? Oops, Bernie won that too.

Was it... a show of hands of the editors? What? If they're going to make a case that essentially *every* informal unscientific poll that showed one result... including the poll they themselves conducted... was wrong then what superior data are they basing their own announcement of the exact opposite result upon?

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Voters Overwhelmingly Say: 'Bernie Winner of Debate!' Corporate Controlled Editors Ignore Them! [View all] sabrina 1 Oct 2015 OP

Credible news outlets with ACTUAL journalists ignore online click polls Godhumor Oct 2015 #1

If you call those news outlets CREDIBLE I can't help you. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #4

And if you think those polls are indicative of anything worthwhile Godhumor Oct 2015 #7

That article is 15 years old Egnever Oct 2015 #50

LMAO, nice retort. retrowire Oct 2015 #63

Those polls are indicative of the huge and growing support Sanders is generating, simply by sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #144

And the People. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #21

Given online click polls are extremely unreliable. gcomeau Oct 2015 #22

Guess Camp Weathervane is still waiting for Internet access, eh? 99Forever Oct 2015 #41

I hear that Hillary is getting a new email server ...and her own internet too. L0oniX Oct 2015 #103

And now they're deleting those polls. retrowire Oct 2015 #65

Maybe it's the fact that they're not conducting them to gather news? brooklynite Oct 2015 #102

And the answer to my question was where in that? gcomeau Oct 2015 #104

Maybe it's because they are attempting to 'control the message', as Hillary herself said 'we sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #119

In other words, Bernie2016TV transmitted something CNN produced that they didn't have rights to... brooklynite Oct 2015 #121

So you think the American People do not have rights to the airwaves, especially on sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #122

Did Bernie Sanders insist that the feed be made available to any entity that wanted to transmit it? brooklynite Oct 2015 #123

bravo Sabrina yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #126

+1 AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #145

If what you say is true, it should be easy to prove. Show us some "credible news outlets" and "ACTU rhett o rick Oct 2015 #25

OK so the click polls do not prove anything DaveT Oct 2015 #59

Actually the point zentrum Oct 2015 #79

Please explain Rilgin Oct 2015 #93

Because click bait polls are income generators. sufrommich Oct 2015 #95

True for many polls but maybe not for specific debate polls Rilgin Oct 2015 #96

If the CNN poll had shown Hillary as the "winner", bvar22 Oct 2015 #128

I agree the MSM is full of shit, but where is your proof that EVERYBODY says Bernie won? randys1 Oct 2015 #2

Umm, who said 'everyone'??? 'Overwhelming numbers who voted in THEIR OWN POLLS. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #6

If you believe 80% think Bernie won... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #11

Polls where people can vote multiple times, even from outside the US? Metric System Oct 2015 #13

CNN you could only vote once Bernie won! bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #31

Yea.. Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #60

It should be easy to prove her data wrong, but I haven't seen any proof yet. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #26

Next time they'll be more careful. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #3

A sign that will not be seen on Election Day: Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #5

Yes, I remember Obama winning those online polls also. And I remember the same snide, remarks. Which sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #15

Grownups don't vote in Internet click polls frazzled Oct 2015 #8

And Republicans vote in online polls too! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #9

All your attempts to denigrate people make me laugh, and REMEMBER the exact same garbage re Obama. A sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #12

Oh yeah, us Hillary supporters just love the "corporate talking heads". JaneyVee Oct 2015 #17

You are right, they vote in their own polls. So far, Trump is winning sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #18

Yeah, they would never vote in open online polls. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #20

But Hillary supporters DID vote in the Poll! Bernie had MORE. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #44

She has data and so far you have nothing. If true, it should be easy to prove her data wrong. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #27

You are correct, and I have a lot more data I will be posting as soon as I get sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #80

Internet polls are horse pucky workinclasszero Oct 2015 #14

But the worked for Obama!! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #19

I get the impression that the Clinton wing doesn't really care about People. They are more rhett o rick Oct 2015 #28

Oh bullshit Rick. zappaman Oct 2015 #70

This is why Bernie has hit 23% and loses the base workinclasszero Oct 2015 #78

Well explain to me how supporting billionaires will help people. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #82

Like I said zappaman Oct 2015 #89

I am guessing that you don't recognize that when it comes down to that, I just rhett o rick Oct 2015 #99

How do things look from your perch on that high horse? zappaman Oct 2015 #105

Oh I am here to stay. Our fight to reduce poverty has just begun. Wish you were on our side. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #111

Awesome! zappaman Oct 2015 #120

Why would YOU be looking forward to what Rhett does? Do you KNOW him, have some kind of sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #131

Lol! zappaman Oct 2015 #132

.... sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #133

I find it a challenge to try to trick him into actually discussing an issue or committing himself rhett o rick Oct 2015 #139

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #143

Don't see you railing against pundit opinions being posted. Are those any more scientific? RichVRichV Oct 2015 #76

After watching Bernie Wellstone ruled Oct 2015 #16

He's a leader, she is a follower. That was more than obvious last night as she changed her sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #24

Did anyone capture what she said about issues? For example, while Sen Sanders gave specifics rhett o rick Oct 2015 #30

She also said she wantedto "enhance" benefits demwing Oct 2015 #34

Hilary is one smart person,and noticed she was testing Wellstone ruled Oct 2015 #43

Actually, more like she was 'well instructed' by handlers to go for the sound bites which sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #110

Clinton won't commit to supporting the 99%. EVER. 99Forever Oct 2015 #48

I noticed that. It could mean anything. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #52

When we heard that statement,bam, Wellstone ruled Oct 2015 #42

She was talking about helping SSA recipients who are still jwirr Oct 2015 #56

It was pure rhetoric. "I want to help the most vulnerable", means nothing. How many is she rhett o rick Oct 2015 #112

Yes, still not giving real facts. As to helping those on SSA jwirr Oct 2015 #114

"She said she wanted to help the most vulnerable SS recipients. " Plucketeer Oct 2015 #75

I bet a lot of us in the lower or mid range middle class marlakay Oct 2015 #106

The other (than the most vulnerable) SS recipients may lose out, because rhett o rick Oct 2015 #116

Yes people did notice that. Especially since people are deeply concerned about SS. I kept sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #109

I wish Anderson would have followed up on her expanation of her vote on the Patriot Act. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #113

What is the word I am looking for? L0oniX Oct 2015 #101

Well put dpatbrown Oct 2015 #45

Not just the debate, but all 50 states. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #23

The graphic says "viewers," not voters, and it's on a PBS server. ucrdem Oct 2015 #29

Yes, Hillary got some support there, but Sanders overwhelmingly was the choice of the sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #32

Well it appears that everyone but the oligarchy and their followers are rhett o rick Oct 2015 #57

yes, cnn deleted their poll from the site showing bernie had won restorefreedom Oct 2015 #33

Don't they change their poll everyday? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #36

i don't follow their website restorefreedom Oct 2015 #40

Stop making sense! It's a corporate conspiracy, dammit. Metric System Oct 2015 #53

I have sinned and I repent. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #55

I am glad you finally recognized it. Many are in denial. They can turn their backs on rhett o rick Oct 2015 #62

"Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism" zappaman Oct 2015 #71

Your stalking me is sad but flattering. A vote for HRC is not a vote to fix the rhett o rick Oct 2015 #77

"Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism" zappaman Oct 2015 #90

I know you side with the Wealthy but if HRC wins it will be because they have more money. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #98

"You side with the wealthy" zappaman Oct 2015 #107

I voted for Obama because he came across as a progressive as a candidate. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #115

Yes, Rick. We know you are the arbitrator of who is progressive and who isn't. zappaman Oct 2015 #118

You seem to be fixated on me. Why don't you try discussing issues? nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #129

Please don't order me around. zappaman Oct 2015 #134

What? But of course you do. Are you willing to stand up to the powerful billionaires rhett o rick Oct 2015 #135

What part of "I don't take orders from you" are you having trouble understanding? zappaman Oct 2015 #138

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #142

You allare trying to hard to convince us but are you really trying to convince yourself? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #35

Another glass of Koolaid, sir? 99Forever Oct 2015 #51

I don't know, are you going to have another? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #54

I wouldn't even give Koolaid to my grandkids... 99Forever Oct 2015 #58

Then why are you drinking it? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #61

You confuse me with a Camp Weathervane resident. 99Forever Oct 2015 #67

Are you trying to convince me or yourself? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #68

That's just silly. 99Forever Oct 2015 #72

Funny I was going to say the same thing. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #74

Got any original material? 99Forever Oct 2015 #87

If i am boring you then place me on ignore. Why torture yourself? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #88

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #37

Great screenshots for the memory hole. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #38

But it's her TURN dammit! 99Forever Oct 2015 #39

Yeah well, Mrs. Wall Street Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #46

I trust regular people not 840high Oct 2015 #47

It is the People vs the Establishment. The establishment controls the message NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #49

The woo is strong with this one workinclasszero Oct 2015 #64

Bwhahahhaaha! zappaman Oct 2015 #66

lol, Ask President Ron Paul what the prize is for winning internet polls! tritsofme Oct 2015 #69

I really wish people would stop touting unscientific nonsense mythology Oct 2015 #73

How is it truth aspirant Oct 2015 #81

Well, tell it to the 'Scientfic' Corporate Media who put up their polls, asking VIEWERS to vote. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #84

Yes, I just heard Scott Pelley say Hillary was the clear winner. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #83

Well, she seemed to be following Bernie's lead on almost every issue. She may as well just have sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #85

I noticed that, too. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #86

I read most used phrase by all candidates was marlakay Oct 2015 #108

The whole thing is turning into a fiasco AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #91

Corporate entities clearly made a decision to push a STRONGLY pro-Clinton narrative post debate. stillwaiting Oct 2015 #92

people are just clicking. youceyec Oct 2015 #94

Sorry, but it's now known that not just polls, but every focus group,, statistic taken, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #97

Corporate Controlled voters Ignore Them too. L0oniX Oct 2015 #100

Truly the last person I thought I would see promoting the corporate media agenda. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #117

What are you suggesting? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2015 #124

Markers were laid down, and positions stated Babel_17 Oct 2015 #125

NYTimes columnists' forced enthusiasm for Hill's debate performance senz Oct 2015 #127

Thanks, I've come to the conclusion now that Corporate owned politicians are 'allowed' to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #137

Bonus season is coming for the corporate press corps? moondust Oct 2015 #130

They are so desperate now to prevent a non corporate candidate from winning this election, they are sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #141

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #136

That other f-word comes to mind. polichick Oct 2015 #140