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Bernblu

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52. We know that Clinton won the debate with the Corporate Media. There was some evidence that Sanders
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 02:38 PM
Oct 2015

won with voters (focus groups and large margins in internet polls, Twitter responses, and Google searches).

Because of media influence, we may never actually know who actually won the debate.

Any scientific poll will now be tainted because many voters who didn't watch the debate and voters who did watch the debate but didn't have a strong favorite will now be influenced by the media to believe Clinton won.

It is my opinion what the corporate media did was reprehensible. Declaring a winner after a debate is in a way worse than declaring an election before all of the votes have been cast. At least an election call may be backed by scientific data. The media should analyze a debate, discussing what the candidates said and what they thought the candidates were trying to accomplish and the like. But they should never declare winners explicitly or implicitly.

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LOL! I always enjoy Senator Sanders slapping down foolishness from his 'supporters.' onehandle Oct 2015 #1
??? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #4
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #6
LOL - accusatory non sequiturs are very much in vogue now w/ Hillary shills. -nt- 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #22
+1000 n/t MissDeeds Oct 2015 #47
The newest meme is to present lies as facts using non sequitur examples. Fearless Oct 2015 #43
It works, too, until you hit the social media hub. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #91
Diagnostic: Hallucination. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #86
Calling supporters of any candidate names isn't going to win them over. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #2
I agree it's not a conspiracy. Just shallow pack-behavior from the elites. Armstead Oct 2015 #3
Liberal bloggers aren't "elites". JaneyVee Oct 2015 #5
Chris Matthews, Chuck Todd, NYT, WaPo, etc. etc., etc. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #9
Yeah, NYT is totally in the tank for HRC. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #13
Of course it isn't. Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #33
Apparently you missed this from the pages of the NYT tularetom Oct 2015 #53
The first line of that op-ed? "Hillary Clinton crushed it! There is no other way for me to put it." That Guy 888 Oct 2015 #69
DU enid602 Oct 2015 #10
"paid too much given the quality" - maybe they're in bed with those losers erronis Oct 2015 #42
Liberal boggers are all over the map on it Armstead Oct 2015 #12
And that's fine. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #92
+1,000 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #7
This!! Fawke Em Oct 2015 #11
You think the NYTimes, a paper who has plastered their front page JaneyVee Oct 2015 #15
Boggles the mind, doesn't it? mcar Oct 2015 #24
Oh, you understand journalism? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #39
I've been a PR professional for 35 mcar Oct 2015 #49
I've been an F1 driver for 10 years then got bored and am now an astronaut. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #72
Isn't that lovely mcar Oct 2015 #73
It is indeed! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #76
OK... but were you ever a reporter? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #93
Yes because of access. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #38
Yeah, that's totally what the NYT is doing. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #50
Another opinion about opinions that proves nothing. Dawgs Oct 2015 #8
What we see in the media is shock RobertEarl Oct 2015 #14
M$M's habit of ignoring Bernie has clearly not worked, and you're right, they are shocked 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #28
I love the inter-webs RobertEarl Oct 2015 #95
You are correct. HRC won in the eyes of the Billionaires but not the People. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #16
Where are you getting 80-15? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #25
CNN's Facebook poll, I think. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #31
LOL. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #34
Something something Goldman Sachs something something the People. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #30
I'll simply refer you to another OP 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #17
If you believe online polls I have nothing to say to you. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #20
We won, we won, we won artislife Oct 2015 #27
"5 more" Android3.14 Oct 2015 #56
. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #41
Unless they favor Clinton, which they do not AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #64
Oh look at all the unscientific BS internet push polls that a few hundred workinclasszero Oct 2015 #23
Push Polls 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #37
Those numbers are so unbalanced you'd have to live under a dictatorship to think they're normal. Metric System Oct 2015 #35
. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #44
Let's put it this way...even people who didn't watch the debate could vote, including multiple times Metric System Oct 2015 #48
LOL!!! Oh sure, Hillary was the victim of another conspiracy! Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #65
"could vote, including multiple times if they felt inclined." BeanMusical Oct 2015 #75
They can't help it passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #67
Why are Hillary supporters so obsessed with "disproving" the validity of these online polls? virtualobserver Oct 2015 #18
"Who cares" is precisely my opinion. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #26
Because people are using unscientific bullshit to attempt to shape public opinion. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #32
Indeed, pundit blathering is extremely unscientific Fumesucker Oct 2015 #36
They do not see it. They can't artislife Oct 2015 #71
Blindsight Fumesucker Oct 2015 #97
Gee, Fume, that sounds kind of....scientific! nt artislife Oct 2015 #99
people are also promoting blathering pundits in an attemot to shaoe public opinion virtualobserver Oct 2015 #60
I'm not a Clinton supporter (I don't care who wins) mythology Oct 2015 #57
it isn't incorrect.....it measures something.....it measures intensity virtualobserver Oct 2015 #62
Word on the street is...its a vast DLC conspiracy workinclasszero Oct 2015 #19
The MSM couldn't wait to declare Hillary the loser. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #21
Roflmao!!! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #80
No, it's the Establishment being the establisment.... paleotn Oct 2015 #63
Yep. "They paid good money... ". LOL. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #94
More foaming flamebait whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #29
Bernie didn't even show up Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #40
Why is the bird in your avatar shitting on Obama? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #83
Amanda Marcotte at Salon is not even close to being an objective voice on this issue. Maedhros Oct 2015 #45
Corporations would never do that! AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #46
Wow, Salon gets off the anti-Hillary shtick for once shenmue Oct 2015 #51
We know that Clinton won the debate with the Corporate Media. There was some evidence that Sanders Bernblu Oct 2015 #52
And there goes Amanda Marcotte under the bus for not drinking the Kool-Aid... stevenleser Oct 2015 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #55
( ._.) Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #58
a little more for good measure MisterP Oct 2015 #66
because i believe in transparency....... restorefreedom Oct 2015 #59
Yeah! Wots up wit dat? Accusing the pundits of conspiracy? Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #61
LOL. I love this stuff! Keep digging your own grave, corporate media! n/t mhatrw Oct 2015 #68
Agreed Aerows Oct 2015 #70
I'll use lots and lots of "scare quotes", Marcotte sniffs Matariki Oct 2015 #74
It was hilarious watching them try to sell online polls. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #77
"It was hilarious watching them try to sell onoine polls." BeanMusical Oct 2015 #81
Absolutely nothing. I particularly like red onion polls. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #82
OK, but there's also nothing hilarious about it. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #84
Mea culpa! hrmjustin Oct 2015 #85
I forgive you my son. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #87
This is too funny. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #88
Lol, yes it is. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #89
Do you feel better for floriduck Oct 2015 #78
Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #79
Of course there is. Media bias and propaganda. WDIM Oct 2015 #90
Marcotte: sinister scheming Papists behind claims of dislike of Clinton MisterP Oct 2015 #96
If we believe the media, Bush won all the debates in 2000 jfern Oct 2015 #98
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