2016 Postmortem

Jackilope

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141. I am trying to understand and hope you can help me here.

Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:18 PM

Oct 2015

How is it that you have arrived at the opinion that my wish or Bernie's wish or a whole block of Bernie supporters have a priority of economic over racial justice? It is confusing to me how you could shortchange Sanders, as he seems to walk the walk regarding justice his whole life. When he was introduced to Sandra Bland's mother, the first words he spoke to her was of injustice and the broken system. That whole exchange and meeting was not orchestrated, nor was it then broadcasted for any political gain by his camp. It was a quiet and honorable meeting. While in public, when he marched with MLK, he wasn't running for President, but doing what he felt was right to do.

How or what is it you see in Clinton that makes her your preferred primary candidate and what is it that proves she gets the racial vs economic justice issue that you are driving at?

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Questioning if a majority of AA voters are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.... [View all] NCTraveler Oct 2015 OP

And yet the post was not hidden or self deleted leftofcool Oct 2015 #1

I must have missed this post brush Oct 2015 #34

I believe this is the link in question... stevenleser Oct 2015 #57

Thanks! brush Oct 2015 #68

I had a feeling it was that one Dem2 Oct 2015 #118

On a jury, I'd probably "leave," though. The reason is that discourse Hortensis Oct 2015 #173

Pathetic is the best word to describe it (and other posts). nt betsuni Oct 2015 #35

What do you expect? Florencenj2point0 Oct 2015 #40

"Democratic Party Haters"??? Wouldn't that be Third Wayers? Jackilope Oct 2015 #47

What you call "third-way' is the majority of the party ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #59

Third Way? 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #76

No, "third way" on the DU means any Democrat to the right of Nader ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #223

LOL AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #236

Laugh right up to the elections ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #250

Name one right wing policy that is good for the country AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #256

The ACA is good for the country ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #259

The 'Third way' are corporate/Oligarchic Dems AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #260

Ah, "corporate"... in other words, pro-economic opportunity ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #262

Nobody here hates the Democratic Party. OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #66

I've never met a 3rd way Democrat Dem2 Oct 2015 #120

Not helpful Dem2 Oct 2015 #119

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #196

yeah, welcome to DU grasswire Oct 2015 #212

Pathetic is right workinclasszero Oct 2015 #125

It's an embarrassment to DU Renew Deal Oct 2015 #128

I agree. It was offensive in the extreme. MADem Oct 2015 #2

They get it, they just don't care. leftofcool Oct 2015 #4

It's a crying shame. MADem Oct 2015 #151

It's really stupid too. Could cause Sanders votes. brush Oct 2015 #72

Well stuff that you suggest it might as well come right and said ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #75

1StrongBlackMan, why do you keep insinuating PoC supporting Sanders aren't really PoC? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #88

Because the internet is anonymous and ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #101

So you feel you are entitled to accuse them of blackface, whether you know or not Scootaloo Oct 2015 #107

NO ... I feel entitled to QUESTION whether they are what they purport to be ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #116

I see. So people of color must comport to your expectations to "count" Scootaloo Oct 2015 #117

Okay ... If that is what you wish to take from this exchange ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #123

It's what you're delivering. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #130

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #140

Inappropriate Dem2 Oct 2015 #124

I agree. He needs to stop doing it. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #131

Nobody brought up "blackface" but you. Stick with the facts. brush Oct 2015 #153

When you accuse people of color of being white people pretending to be people of color... Scootaloo Oct 2015 #155

Not going to argue with you. Been there, done that. brush Oct 2015 #157

Skepticism LanternWaste Oct 2015 #263

The Internet is anonymous, isn't it? Have we met? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #232

That is exactly my point! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #243

Based on your response, I believe you missed my point. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #244

Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #245

Absolutely. Anyone who is different from the herd must be culled. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #246

I edited my response to include ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #247

I was trying to be kind. MADem Oct 2015 #134

Guess my skin is pretty leatherized nc4bo Oct 2015 #3

I somewhat agree. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #5

I was telling someone on here yesterday nc4bo Oct 2015 #12

Accusing a majority of AA voters of suffering from a mental issue.... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #18

It is a "psychological phenomenon", not a "mental issue". Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #69

"It is a "psychological phenomenon", not a "mental issue"." NCTraveler Oct 2015 #79

I agree to that. Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #137

Exactly. nt MADem Oct 2015 #143

"Issue" is not a synonym for "defect." I think it is an issue of the mind, therefore, the use of MADem Oct 2015 #136

Unintentional racism, the bastard stepchild of instutional racism. Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #139

It's a close cousin to that "privilege" thing happening. MADem Oct 2015 #147

It's like when Republicans refer to the Democratic Party as a "plantation" Prism Oct 2015 #21

I don't stay around in here long enough. mmonk Oct 2015 #6

Does it matter? Do you need to know the person to form an opinion? NCTraveler Oct 2015 #7

Your explanation helps. A poster. mmonk Oct 2015 #11

BTW, if you had started your post with the word someone, I would not have mmonk Oct 2015 #30

I had the same confusion. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #46

Thanks. Good to know I wasn't the only one. mmonk Oct 2015 #50

Yes, this OP is meta. nt artislife Oct 2015 #58

It is a discussion about racism being used in an attempt to make points for a candidate. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #67

I don't think it is Meta at all JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #95

Meta, what a fucking god damn insult that is...FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!! randys1 Oct 2015 #104

Hmm - I really like Art Is Life's mind JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #105

Read above reply artislife Oct 2015 #145

I admit, racism is more important to some than others randys1 Oct 2015 #158

I am Latina artislife Oct 2015 #144

I feel arguments can be well made... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #230

I don't agree JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #92

Okay then. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt . . . brush Oct 2015 #154

Hillary supporters now claim that reminding people of Hillary's racist gaffes is itself racist. Romulox Oct 2015 #8

No. That isn't what I said at all. Not sure how you even arrived at that thought. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #9

Explain it to me like I'm five. nt Romulox Oct 2015 #14

No one should have to. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #15

I am not defending arguments I haven't made. I am asking for support for your accusation. Romulox Oct 2015 #16

Wish I could help you more. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #20

I think the "it's so obvious I can't explain it" argument speaks for itself. nt Romulox Oct 2015 #22

I did explain it. You don't get it. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #29

Quotes need to have the *actual words a person said/typed*. Why type something different? Romulox Oct 2015 #31

I don't think you're getting through despite your best efforts. George II Oct 2015 #37

Their deflection and contortions show just how much it got through to them. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #39

Hah! Better Alex than Stephen Harper or Rob Ford (or Justin Bieber for that matter!) George II Oct 2015 #41

You did quite well here. You risked your existence here, to talk about truth. randys1 Oct 2015 #106

"Risked your existence." NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #112

No - its apt considering JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #252

He doesn't think that questioning JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #251

Also, did the OP bristle at the "white supremacist liberal" smears? I seemed to have missed it! nt Romulox Oct 2015 #17

Minor difference between those. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #55

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #81

It's easy to miss a thing if it doesn't implicitly validate a bias... LanternWaste Oct 2015 #266

Respectfully if that is your position then I will only talk to hard working white people Fumesucker Oct 2015 #10

Loathsome! You remembered Hillary's racism. And that makes *you* loathsome! Romulox Oct 2015 #13

I don't think they are "loathsome." NCTraveler Oct 2015 #25

Even if Hillary's campaign had tinges of "racism" (which is wasn't) that..... George II Oct 2015 #43

Actually Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #102

But first he referenced Queen Latifah! JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #253

Actually, he said "Queen Latifa"... zappaman Oct 2015 #257

I agree in part and dissent in part from my dear friend, NCTraveler. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #19

I'm not sure I can agree with you here. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #23

Let me try it this way and be blunt... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Oct 2015 #38

Let's not forget that the OP was also homophobic and treated LGBT to the same short shrift Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #27

He holds out anybody who doesn't support the candidate he supports for censure. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #32

Except that I support Bernie, my complaints about that poster are not about primary choices at all. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #44

Agreed. There's also residual goodwill from Bill Clinton's admin brush Oct 2015 #78

I think people forget how incredibly good the economy in the 90s was, for everybody... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #82

And this is someting the "Clintons are evil" crowd refuse to see Number23 Oct 2015 #192

This chart is amazing DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #198

Thanks for sharing that. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #231

No no no. Intentional. Bad! Bad poster. Will never change. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #74

Zealous advocacy can cloud your thinking. Go watch a civil case where big $$$ are involved. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #77

Awful. It's what happens when you live in a bubble. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #24

I'm a gay woman, and the OP in that thread referenced gay people as well. cwydro Oct 2015 #28

That op did reference others as well and I did question them about that in a reply to their op. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #33

I will say that I certainly can see how it can be taken as racist. cwydro Oct 2015 #36

I do not belive the intention is support of Sanders at all. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #45

That's a good point. cwydro Oct 2015 #48

This should be brought to the attention of the owners of the board workinclasszero Oct 2015 #42

Racist and disgusting. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #49

Can someone tell me what AA is supposed to stand for here? Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2015 #51

African American. nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #52

Thank You Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2015 #54

no problem!! m-lekktor Oct 2015 #56

The USA is full of people voting against their own self interests. Wake Up! Jackilope Oct 2015 #53

Says another 63-post wonder shenmue Oct 2015 #61

The USA is full of people voting against their own self interest. SoapBox Oct 2015 #64

You do realize that YOU do not get to define MY interests, right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #83

Throw the mic! JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #93

See my expanded response in Post 108 ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #110

With all due respect, KS is not doing so hot and maybe not best example. Jackilope Oct 2015 #100

You are missing they point ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #108

Good points n/t JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #133

I am trying to understand and hope you can help me here. Jackilope Oct 2015 #141

All of this has been discussed at length, here ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #146

Let's cut through this bullshit right here. Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #149

Harassing? How so? If you follow the conversation.... Jackilope Oct 2015 #162

Your question to 1SBM Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #167

Actually, I am a Martin O'Malley supporter ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #169

She. Jackilope Oct 2015 #170

Sincere my black ass... Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #181

WTH, Chitown. Not sure what your issue is .... Jackilope Oct 2015 #183

Have you read through the African-American Group posts, yet? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #188

Not in entirety, but getting your message in some key posts and articles. Jackilope Oct 2015 #208

Because, of course, EVERY Black person is a HRC supporters ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #184

Boom! Skidmore Oct 2015 #165

Gotta start somewhere.... Jackilope Oct 2015 #71

See Post #83. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #84

you embarrass yourself. m-lekktor Oct 2015 #97

Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #166

I hate snobbery against new posters. cwydro Oct 2015 #177

You make some very valid points. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #63

I can understand that and realize that targeting or singling out AA is harsh. Jackilope Oct 2015 #109

Harsh? It's gawd damn racist! leftofcool Oct 2015 #129

Honestly, When looking at term "Stockholm Syndrome" Jackilope Oct 2015 #138

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #86

I like your last line. Glad you were able to say it, so far at least. randys1 Oct 2015 #115

Me too Person 2713 Oct 2015 #255

Who is the Democrat that made the comment, and what was said? Martin Eden Oct 2015 #60

Maybe I'm not understanding your question; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #94

I didn't see that in the OP Martin Eden Oct 2015 #103

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #113

Thank you for posting. I did not see this earlier. It is not appropriate post. Jackilope Oct 2015 #142

The thread is Meta,but the OP posted 4 links to other sites in order to pretend that it is not Meta kath Oct 2015 #229

I found the thread this one is referencing..... BooScout Oct 2015 #62

Not to mention Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #65

This is a blatantly racist post and reflects poorly on DU cosmicone Oct 2015 #70

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #189

I notice you lack offense when a Clinton supporter declares that clinton owns LGBT and black people Scootaloo Oct 2015 #73

My outrage isn't even close to selective. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #85

Here you go Scootaloo Oct 2015 #87

You clearly didn't read my post. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #89

You said you're not selective. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #90

Not one single person supported the op you linked to. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #91

You said you would condemn it. You are refusing to do so. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #96

Perhaps, you will share where ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #98

This is ridiculous. Alleged liberals are now lecturing Black pepole what is best for them and many randys1 Oct 2015 #114

In my view ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #121

Yeah, I skipped over that, you are right, this is WAY racist, WAY over the top BUT, BUT --- randys1 Oct 2015 #122

What kind of privilege is involved in stripping people's identities... Scootaloo Oct 2015 #160

A.why dont you ask him...B. prove it randys1 Oct 2015 #161

I have. And you can go read it, starting at post #75 Scootaloo Oct 2015 #163

Why are you arguing with me? there are BLACK people telling you something is randys1 Oct 2015 #164

I said no such thing, did I? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #168

It's definitely selective outrage, or this they'd be mad at this thread jfern Oct 2015 #176

Did I read this correctly? JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #254

Do you doubt that there are posers on this site? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #191

I KNOW you don't have the entitlement to tell anyone that they're not. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #220

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #224

Clinton supporter declares that Clinton owns LGBT and black people here jfern Oct 2015 #175

Social justice issues are poisoned on DU Prism Oct 2015 #135

Yes. This ^^^^^^^^^ Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #148

interesting read!! nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #179

Posting for response later. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #190

Please don't waste your time. Number23 Oct 2015 #200

I think you are correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #205

Some people have made chasing after black posters here a full time gig Number23 Oct 2015 #206

Results from Number2 Major Nikon Oct 2015 #214

Thanks, Major. Number23 Oct 2015 #216

alert results/EDIT/ forgot alerters comment irisblue Oct 2015 #207

Oh my God!! Number23 Oct 2015 #209

Doubled down Major Nikon Oct 2015 #215

The problem here Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #199

I'll just be blunt Prism Oct 2015 #210

Oh, honey, now waitaminute Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #217

alert results Bryce Butler Oct 2015 #226

I think most liberals want both jfern Oct 2015 #211

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Oct 2015 #233

Red Herring deflection and the OP isn't the racism police nor do they have to live on DU to point uponit7771 Oct 2015 #187

This message was self-deleted by its author randome Oct 2015 #80

kick for truth Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #99

You find racist comments truthful? leftofcool Oct 2015 #132

Yeah, it's pretty bad HassleCat Oct 2015 #111

And for most of the AfAm people I know it isnt even about loyalty to anybody, especially Hillary randys1 Oct 2015 #126

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #195

Excellent post Dem2 Oct 2015 #127

Thank you. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #172

My understanding is they're supprised everyone else doesn't hate Hillary or love Sanders as much uponit7771 Oct 2015 #186

k&r Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #150

Did you alert on it? n/t moondust Oct 2015 #152

You can only fool people into voting against their own self interest for so long AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #156

And you can only harass and insult people into voting Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #159

Which is what has been happening with Hillary AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #171

What does that even mean? Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #174

It means you are projecting AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #194

LOL Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #197

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #239

Self delete Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #178

How about asking PoC and LGBT why they support Hillary and not degrade their intelligence first? uponit7771 Oct 2015 #185

The corporate interest is in no ones best interest AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #235

Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #202

There's plenty of hyperbole to go around here Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #180

That post fucking sucked, as does the poster. Codeine Oct 2015 #182

This is correct. nt betsuni Oct 2015 #213

29 people rec'd that racist ass'd thread too... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #193

I see you questioning whether the post was racist or not because a few white posters said that it Number23 Oct 2015 #201

Who would do such a thing?!!? zappaman Oct 2015 #203

I am confused as to the issue here: guillaumeb Oct 2015 #204

Not at all... MellowDem Oct 2015 #218

Link and quote AA's being conservative also. It's TECHNICALLY racist to deride a whole group of uponit7771 Oct 2015 #219

There are polls showing African Americans... MellowDem Oct 2015 #221

Could you source them? I've not seen one of those polls ever... not saying they don't exist just uponit7771 Oct 2015 #222

Here jfern Oct 2015 #225

Which candidate are you saying is "outright racist"? Ken Burch Oct 2015 #227

Great post. Truly laughed. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #234

I mean it. I couldn't figure out who you were attacking there. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #237

Ohh. Ok. Thanks. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #238

I hadn't seen the "Stockholm Syndrome" post at the time I responded earlier. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #240

How many people have said this one DU? davidpdx Oct 2015 #228

I think you misunderstood the post. Vattel Oct 2015 #241

You are more charitable beause you and WillyT are white straight men, and you are both very Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #242

You assume way too much Vattel Oct 2015 #248

this is something the OP has been doing for over a year now JI7 Oct 2015 #258

Agree. Here and in real life, I've seen the phrase "gays for republicans are.... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2015 #249

Umm, we always say white people vote against their interests. LittleBlue Oct 2015 #261

So far as I recall, the argument is "why do people vote against their best interests?" randome Oct 2015 #265

We do? Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #267

That was POSUCS post #2. randome Oct 2015 #264

Oh my GOD.. now this.. that loyalty group demand again Peacetrain Oct 2015 #268