2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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129. Ordering the Obama Movement to shut down was, though.

Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:58 AM

Oct 2015

So was listening to Rahm and reducing the agenda from transformation and mobilization to transactio and demobilization. Getting t he votes of the young and then treating them like they no longer mattered and were no longer needed was, too.

And it's basically the reason we got hosed in 2010 and 2014.

The lesson is...enthusiasm must always be stoked and midterms are always about firing up the base.

There were achievements, there were gains, good was done...but the moment was lost.

It's only because of Occupy and Bernie's campaign that any of the young are still involved.

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Millenials will put their support behind a candidate they believe in [View all] Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 OP

Pulling them and their friends out of Bush's wars is not "pissing on them." Renew Deal Oct 2015 #1

Pulling out? aidbo Oct 2015 #4

Go check the deployment numbers in 2009 and get back to me. Renew Deal Oct 2015 #5

So.. Just the 'tip'? aidbo Oct 2015 #6

Where are those numbers? Renew Deal Oct 2015 #9

You're right! why don't those millennials appreciate it?! aidbo Oct 2015 #13

You're still missing the 2009 numbers Renew Deal Oct 2015 #42

And he said it wasn't a set number meaning troops can be deployed. JRLeft Oct 2015 #87

Wasn't he legally required to pull them out of Iraq? n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #35

Unless he wanted to invade again. jeff47 Oct 2015 #49

Or get a new agreement Renew Deal Oct 2015 #82

Tried. Iraq said "No fucking way" (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #86

The Obama HATE is alive and well here I see. randys1 Oct 2015 #79

You better not forget it, either. It never really disappeared. It lay dormant as the economy kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #99

There are options besides the binary of "love or hate" you know Scootaloo Oct 2015 #101

Not that it matters, certain white folks didnt get exactly what they wanted randys1 Oct 2015 #102

Lots of people didn't get what they wanted. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #103

Obama has accomplished miracles, given the situation we were in and the obstruction. randys1 Oct 2015 #104

You have complaints. Of course you do, and that IS the point. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #108

not if you dont want to deal with facts reddread Oct 2015 #130

Ordering the Obama Movement to shut down was, though. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #129

There will be a revolution at some point, does the Democratic party want to be on the winning side? LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #2

When they come for me, please aim for the head... brooklynite Oct 2015 #18

When you look at history, we are falling into the traps of a lot of nations. Mainly the income LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #31

So, there'll be a discernment between the "good" 1%ers and the "bad" ones? brooklynite Oct 2015 #36

Depends on how long it takes for the revolution to happen. jeff47 Oct 2015 #54

Something is going to happen You can feel it. I felt it after the 1968 Chicago convention. Back then LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #66

That's why 'overthrowing' our own government (at least the elected functionaries) Volaris Oct 2015 #91

How close did America come to a Socialist Revolution BarackTheVote Oct 2015 #56

Get them off the sofa and away from the beer and NFL first workinclasszero Oct 2015 #71

Get them off your lawn, too. frylock Oct 2015 #120

That too lol workinclasszero Oct 2015 #121

Oh and overthrowing a democratically-elected government workinclasszero Oct 2015 #73

Oh geez, sorry. But I am old enough to remember a pretty progressive nation until a revolution LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #77

The "revolution" is to go back to before Reagan. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Codeine Oct 2015 #118

Yes, I once wrote an OP on that, sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #3

That totally describes the millennials in my family. When jwirr Oct 2015 #76

Obama turned right with his transition team. JRLeft Oct 2015 #7

First out of the gate for his cabinet: Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #8

Worst choice kenfrequed Oct 2015 #21

And would have mobilized those volunteers Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #25

Well kenfrequed Oct 2015 #75

Let's not forget Rick Warren. arcane1 Oct 2015 #40

hmm good point kenfrequed Oct 2015 #85

I was so let down, and then the homophobe delivering the invocation. I went down the tubes for LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #61

Sounds like they ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #10

Yeah, I think you should continue to Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #12

What playbook is threatening and demanding ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #15

Isn't my way or the highway been the party strategy for years? frylock Oct 2015 #62

Start your own ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #65

It's called holding politicians accountable. That is part of voting, and it is part of a democracy. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #112

How's that ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #113

I have voted straight party line for 20 years. It has gotten me nowhere. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #114

Good for you... ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #115

I never said you shouldn't. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #116

And I never ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #117

And that exactly where this will go AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #39

It's already happening, at least on DU. arcane1 Oct 2015 #43

I'm not trying ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #55

"spoiled kids" is a complement? (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #57

I didn't say it ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #60

Your claim was that all the attacks are bad. And all these other horrible people are attacking. jeff47 Oct 2015 #63

I didn't call ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #70

The "attacking" has been in response to being shat upon and outright dismissed.. frylock Oct 2015 #64

And Hillary ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #68

I wasn't referring to you n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #67

You know what's also poor judgement? jeff47 Oct 2015 #14

I don't think ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #23

Apparently, you value "I told you so" higher than winning. jeff47 Oct 2015 #32

How do you know ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #48

Did you notice I never said you were a boomer? jeff47 Oct 2015 #53

Nope, it's ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #58

And how does calling them "spoiled kids" fix that? jeff47 Oct 2015 #69

Hatred? ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #74

"The kids" have been losing for 30+ years. What makes you think we fear 4 more? jeff47 Oct 2015 #80

And what threat would that be? ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #88

"Do what I say, you selfish morons, or bad things will happen" jeff47 Oct 2015 #90

I didn't say bad things would happen... ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #93

Still "me generation" jeff47 Oct 2015 #97

Oh you ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #100

So, when a white guy explains what life is really like to a black woman jeff47 Oct 2015 #107

You don't get it. ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #110

Hey look! Another deflection! jeff47 Oct 2015 #122

That post of yours is ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #125

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #59

We were too small to worry about plus the older Xers seemed to trend conservative anyway TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #111

Quite a broad brush there. I know quite a few boomers who think they know everything too. arcane1 Oct 2015 #46

And that should ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #50

Well, that's because we do. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #51

You actually think that millennials are the only people who jwirr Oct 2015 #83

I'm not ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #84

By the looks of the groups and debate parties I've been to-- eridani Oct 2015 #124

Questions For Freddie Oct 2015 #72

Who are these questions ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #78

Any one ... For Freddie Oct 2015 #105

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #11

. . . Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #16

Yes Hillary is great uponit7771 Oct 2015 #17

Obama won the millennial vote by 67% in 2012.nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #19

Plus youth vote was a greater share of the electorate than 2012. The OP is obviously a lie. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #22

Your numbers are misleading. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #24

You realize Obama won in 2012 right? sufrommich Oct 2015 #28

We're talking about how many millennials Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #52

"Less of them came out to vote in 2012 as compared to 2008" Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #30

How 'bout this: jeff47 Oct 2015 #33

18-24 Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #37

And how does that change the fact that turnout dropped? jeff47 Oct 2015 #44

That's 19 percent of all voters, not all millennials n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #47

Did you think the ones who bothered to show up would vote for Romney? jeff47 Oct 2015 #38

"Obama pissed on them and their efforts the second he took office" Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #20

What need for ohheckyeah Oct 2015 #26

Greater share of the electorate != greater turnout. jeff47 Oct 2015 #34

Turnout was about the same according to this study: Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #41

Because 58% and 51% are generally considered "roughly the same". jeff47 Oct 2015 #45

They love that Bernie stated climate change azmom Oct 2015 #27

So true, younger generations are far less partisan than older generations. They vote for ISSUES sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #81

you're damn right retrowire Oct 2015 #89

Revolutions don't happen overnight Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #92

great quote and very true. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #96

Revolution will seem impossible until it's suddenly inevitable. winter is coming Oct 2015 #109

Young wolves, show us your teeth. John Steinbeck Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #95

If Clinton is the nominee, some millennials will skip voting. MineralMan Oct 2015 #98

The fact that Mellinnials are not party loyalists could turn politics on its head. The reason liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #106

So basically the message is "Vote Sanders or we'll Codeine Oct 2015 #119

Posts like this show why Bernie will never win the black vote ecstatic Oct 2015 #126

Excuse me? If he criticizes Obama he loses the black vote? So if we have a black liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #127

No. Trolls and folks with ODS have used Bernie to bash Obama for years ecstatic Oct 2015 #128