2016 Postmortem

TexasBushwhacker

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62. I agree

Sat Oct 17, 2015, 04:40 PM

Oct 2015

At the end of the day, it's about those truly undecided voters, not the ones who say they are independent but always vote for the same party, whether it's Dem or GOP. The problem for HRC is that most people HAVE decided about her, and the hate factor is HUGE. Yet if you ask a Republican or Independent about Bernie, one who doesn't stand in the Socialism = Communism tent, you'll hear things like "He has some good ideas".

The GOP base is made up of the wealthy, the evangelicals, and the poor , deluded individuals who think they might be wealthy some day so they have to vote as if they are a 1%er. That base will not vote for HRC. But I think the truly independent voters are more likely to lean towards Bernie in the general election than Trump, Carson or Jeb!

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The 8000 lb elephant in the room: Hillary's 53% unfavorability rating makes her unelectable. [View all] reformist2 Oct 2015 OP

Poll (scientific one) Most Americans not ready to vote for a socialist uponit7771 Oct 2015 #1

This is from last June. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #24

Try Democratic Socialist. Motown_Johnny Oct 2015 #31

Your pre-debate link is useless. nt onehandle Oct 2015 #2

How about this one from 2 days ago? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #23

HRC bots think she' inevitable. She continues to be unelectable. leveymg Oct 2015 #84

lol moobu2 Oct 2015 #3

THANK you! Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #4

That's the trouble with "known quantities" like Hillary - voters have made up their minds about her. reformist2 Oct 2015 #5

she is not going to get the Republican vote Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #52

We shall see... LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #11

What you say zentrum Oct 2015 #17

Yup. That's what I've been saying. cui bono Oct 2015 #50

It should be setting off alarm bells how apathetic, even lethargic, Hillary supporters are. reformist2 Oct 2015 #61

They did start a website for the sole purpose of hating on Bernie and his Du supporters. cui bono Oct 2015 #64

In their twisted view of reality they probably believe that it will. Who knows? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #85

Your link says Clinton was the most electable, did you give the wrong link? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #6

I'm talking about the general electorate, most of whom aren't that all that fond of her. reformist2 Oct 2015 #9

Bush's unfavorable's hovered between 49 and 52% in the summer of 2004. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #7

He also didn't win that election, or the one before it Hydra Oct 2015 #13

He absolutely did win in 2004 wyldwolf Oct 2015 #44

He absolutely did not Hydra Oct 2015 #45

I'm beginning to wonder if Hillary fans would turn a blind eye to election fraud. Anything to win! reformist2 Oct 2015 #47

I think it's obvious. senz Oct 2015 #65

Show me 'well-established' wyldwolf Oct 2015 #49

Do you trust Robert F. Kennedy Jr.? senz Oct 2015 #66

Mr. Vaccine denier? Nope wyldwolf Oct 2015 #68

He gave a very nuanced opinion on that subject on the Thom Hartmann show. senz Oct 2015 #69

Because he'd caught so much shit about. His dad would be horrified. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #81

He's not a vaccine denier. Listen to him from the Bill Maher show. cui bono Oct 2015 #73

yes he is and his dad would be horrified. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #82

Proof? cui bono Oct 2015 #94

No he didn't win. cui bono Oct 2015 #51

proof? wyldwolf Oct 2015 #56

Here: cui bono Oct 2015 #74

Lots of opinion and conjecture there wyldwolf Oct 2015 #80

Wyldwolf is not interested in proof but I have a couple of links senz Oct 2015 #70

Great, saves me the time. cui bono Oct 2015 #72

Lots of conjecture and conspiracy there wyldwolf Oct 2015 #79

Your slip is showing n/t Scootaloo Oct 2015 #89

his slip has been showing ibegurpard Oct 2015 #97

The candidate winning the primary works with me. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #8

The Republican nominee will have a higher unfavorable rating Martin Eden Oct 2015 #10

... or not vote at all, if not fired up about a candidate. Jackilope Oct 2015 #21

I agree that GOTV will be a key factor ... Martin Eden Oct 2015 #36

"traditional two party race" doesn't take electoral college into account thesquanderer Oct 2015 #12

Her favorables are 10.5 underwater in the Huffington pollster average jfern Oct 2015 #14

Another alarming number is how few are undecided about Hillary. Little room for movement. reformist2 Oct 2015 #15

Social Security fee to Wall Street Privatizers for means testing. If SS trust fund money DhhD Oct 2015 #43

That's terrifying. zentrum Oct 2015 #16

The bigger Elephant - That's the GOP bullshit smear campaign you're buying into. LynneSin Oct 2015 #18

+1 DCBob Oct 2015 #30

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #32

Ah yes. Those who disagree with you are just misled by the right. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #90

"We already know how unenthused Dems are to support Hillary." Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #19

It would not surprise me. Joe Lieberman did it. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #83

Bernie is the only answer... Thespian2 Oct 2015 #20

Dream on. uberblonde Oct 2015 #22

This thread is about the general election not the primary jfern Oct 2015 #28

That depends on who the Repub nominee is eridani Oct 2015 #25

Any person under 30 LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #26

They know perfectly well who the candidates were eridani Oct 2015 #27

And then there's the 8,000,000 lb elephant in the room ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #29

Hillary supporters can't even be bothered to show up at her events! They do nothing. reformist2 Oct 2015 #48

Big election on Monday, eh? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #86

I am an American citizen living in Toronto. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #87

Well, I don't hate Hillary, I just don't take her seriously, and her supporters even less so. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #88

No, I don't know ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #91

Of course you don't. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #92

No, I don't know. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #93

Her negatives are up mostly due to the stupid fake email scandal. DCBob Oct 2015 #33

You are correct sir. (eom) oasis Oct 2015 #37

Dems may not be enthusiastic about Hillary, but Republicans sure are. They'll turn out to vote ... Scuba Oct 2015 #34

A Socialist on the ballot redstateblues Oct 2015 #77

That's a whole HERD of 8000 pound elephants in the room. n/t in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #35

I elaborated on the genesis for these attacks in a previous post... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #38

No need for psychology: Her negatives are rising, because she's a terrible candidate! reformist2 Oct 2015 #40

They are going with her because she DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #42

Cool Story Krytan11c Oct 2015 #59

If you put $1000.00 in my paypal account and split the winnings I will give you the answer to both DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #60

Interesting that not one thing you mentioned about her was her policy stances. cui bono Oct 2015 #95

Unless, of course, 45% of those 53% are Republicans... kentuck Oct 2015 #39

Useless? A candidate's negatives are *the* most important statistic in campaigning. reformist2 Oct 2015 #41

No, they aren't. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #46

Hillary does not sell well to regular folks Joe Turner Oct 2015 #53

And it's not like she's a new product you can rebrand. She's been on the shelves for 25 years! reformist2 Oct 2015 #57

Honestly this is a huge concern and rightfully so pinebox Oct 2015 #54

I agree TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #62

They refuse to see it ibegurpard Oct 2015 #98

Keep shoveling! Keep shoveling! HassleCat Oct 2015 #55

You are cherrypicking a poll Comodorio Oct 2015 #58

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #63

Yet she is essentially even money at the off shore betting sites DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #67

The last thing I'm going to do is look at this like its a casino madokie Oct 2015 #71

What are Trump's negatives? lovemydog Oct 2015 #75

Hillary will be the Democratic Nominee.... FarPoint Oct 2015 #76

I'm not a GOP troll. I don't want to lose the White House b/c we put up someone the country hates. reformist2 Oct 2015 #96

More silliness here on DU. longship Oct 2015 #78

Yeah, sure, whatever you say........... Beacool Oct 2015 #99