2016 Postmortem

Capn Sunshine

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217. I try not to talk down to anyone

Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:16 PM

Oct 2015

But there are so many examples of Our campaign's more fervent supporters talking over each other it's getting hard to get any real work done.When I bring up the very real campaign issues facing us, I get drowned out with fanboy rhetoric. No one takes the on ground work that is not being done seriously; they all have this idea that winning at social media=electoral victory. I'm here, once again to tell you it won't.

Such enthusiasm at the expense of dereliction of actual on ground work has led to the slippage of Bernie in the polls in New Hampshire. Our own numbers show an alarming trend of declining support.

After New Hampshire, there isn't one primary through March 1 where we have a lead. Not one.
You can bitch all you want in DU and on Facebook about media conspiracies and the definition of socialism, but until the legions of online back slappers get busy at ground level, OFF LINE , and in the streets, I don't see a way clear to the nomination. The numbers just aren't there.

Edited to add that Colorado is a tossup.

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Condescending Hillary fans: Man, did this pro-Bernie blogger get it right. [View all] Fawke Em Oct 2015 OP

Love it! artislife Oct 2015 #1

Thank you! Fawke Em Oct 2015 #9

This is so, so solid. yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #143

As well as mine madokie Oct 2015 #110

We are the little people jfern Oct 2015 #2

They can descend on my con all they want HassleCat Oct 2015 #3

"we are bucking conventional wisdom, which is pretty much all the media know" Aerows Oct 2015 #50

I'm with you. I'm 72, well educated and politically active in the local Democratic Party for years. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #54

^^^^this^^^^^ Blus4u Oct 2015 #134

+1 cui bono Oct 2015 #194

Amen! I'd rather go down supporting my "What/Who I know is best" candidate than to back the person.. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #181

I like the analogy HassleCat Oct 2015 #198

I understand all too well. Lost dreams and all that.. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #233

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #4

Thank you!! The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #5

They are not trying to persuade us. zeemike Oct 2015 #40

I would add. Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #75

I haven't seen any Clinton supporters advocate for any policy positions n/t eridani Oct 2015 #49

Oh, they'll advocate for policy positions Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #87

Well, those positions for sure eridani Oct 2015 #88

I've even read where at least one Clinton supporter admitted Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #92

+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #94

+1 LOL "Magic Internet points" for the win!! n/t Beartracks Oct 2015 #157

Damn right, my dear Fawke Em. CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #6

K&R..... daleanime Oct 2015 #7

With it common knowledge that FOX news is in the bag, I don't see what's so hard to believe Bonobo Oct 2015 #8

I started to make that same point. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #12

If you thought you could secure a position at such an organization Aerows Oct 2015 #31

Well said zeemike Oct 2015 #41

They have an ulterior motive. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #158

I think you mean "does have an ulterior motive." nt tblue37 Oct 2015 #188

Well said! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10

That is pretty much the last issue I complained about before I left. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #11

Glad you are back and posting on my thread! Fawke Em Oct 2015 #14

Bernie is one of the few candidates I have ever felt excited to vote for. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #84

The only one I can remember really being excited about was Howard Dean. n/t Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #231

Well said. aidbo Oct 2015 #13

Blackberry vpn > fortigate is very secure BlueStateLib Oct 2015 #15

It is, but the server in her home Fawke Em Oct 2015 #19

Ran a RIM server, did you? Aerows Oct 2015 #33

Well spoke. The Hillary backers insisting on support sure do their best to alienate... supporters villager Oct 2015 #16

Hillary supporter alienated the hell out of Obama supporters in 2008, also. (nt) w4rma Oct 2015 #29

Bernie supporters praising other Bernie supporters cosmicone Oct 2015 #17

Thanks for dropping by to give us a live example Fawke Em Oct 2015 #20

Great timing! Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #27

I aim to please !! n/t cosmicone Oct 2015 #56

You also entertain. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #70

Very good! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24

It is sometimes kind-hearted to reward whining! n/t cosmicone Oct 2015 #57

The people posting in this thread? In case you're wondering, they're not laughing with you... beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #60

I'm crushed ... devastated I tell you n/t cosmicone Oct 2015 #63

It's understandable. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #71

Thank you so much n/t cosmicone Oct 2015 #72

You're very welcome. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #76

People like you make Poe's law seem insurmountable. MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #32

you're killing me! virtualobserver Oct 2015 #36

Call in Third Way Manny zeemike Oct 2015 #44

You can post with a winkie or sarcasm smilie cosmicone Oct 2015 #55

Insurmountable? Manny, you are Poe's law personified ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #178

Wow!!!! ucrdem Oct 2015 #91

Yes, I find it funny too, but probably not for the same reasons as you do. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #93

It is odd they want to limit the free speech of Hillary supporters treestar Oct 2015 #121

So condescending of you! cosmicone Oct 2015 #122

I don't want to limit their speech. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #146

+1000 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #204

Noam Chomsky talks about this. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2015 #18

No matter how powerful and wealthy a corporation is cosmicone Oct 2015 #62

Or you can lie to your customers, like Volkswagen. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2015 #77

Your one outlier case doesn't disprove the main thrust of my argument n/t cosmicone Oct 2015 #79

Which one? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2015 #98

That corporations are beholden to consumers cosmicone Oct 2015 #99

So then why do taxpayers have to subsidize Wal-Mart? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2015 #108

Taxpayers shouldn't subsidize walmart. I completely agree. n/t cosmicone Oct 2015 #109

Great post Docreed2003 Oct 2015 #131

Remarkably Well Put! Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #175

Great Post Manifester! sorechasm Oct 2015 #196

Thank you, kind fans! Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2015 #227

You also have Brian May as an avatar. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #232

You're welcome! Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2015 #234

When the Big Company moves into town treestar Oct 2015 #129

Thanks in due part Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #177

about vw's software lie questionseverything Oct 2015 #138

The software was successfully tested Tuesday evening. edgineered Oct 2015 #192

manufactured consent questionseverything Oct 2015 #201

So as customers if we don't buy an HRC™ it means that Clinton corp. will crumble? BeanMusical Oct 2015 #80

That's the ticket cosmicone Oct 2015 #83

Thank you for validating the OP's point in such an interesting way dear Condescending Hillary Fan™. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #89

Like you said, I entertain them all cosmicone Oct 2015 #95

And of course you see yourself as not being logic challenged. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #100

It's a place that has tutorials on cosmicone Oct 2015 #103

Lol! You are so funny comicone! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #150

OMG, their new little sandbox offers support groups for those on timeout. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #211

Lol, persecution!1! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #215

It's what's for dinner. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #224

:snort: BeanMusical Oct 2015 #225

When your candidate is not doing as well... YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #166

My candidate is 20-30% ahead of Bernie in most scientific polls. Thanks. cosmicone Oct 2015 #168

I was agreeing with you, BTW YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #170

LOL you should have responded to the post above or below mine. No biggie! cosmicone Oct 2015 #171

Your sarcasm meter needs calibrated. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #212

I keep hearing you say angrychair Oct 2015 #183

You said "75% of the democrats do not want a socialist revolution." Where NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #132

"gut feeling" BeanMusical Oct 2015 #205

Do "75% of democrats" know a "socialist revolution" is an option? Beartracks Oct 2015 #160

The more people hear Bernie, the more they support him. senz Oct 2015 #163

More people got to know about Bernie during the debate cosmicone Oct 2015 #165

People flooded his campaign with donations & he won all the online polls. senz Oct 2015 #172

+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #206

You gave a very excellent example of the corp propaganda. Corporations are beholden to rhett o rick Oct 2015 #195

The Century of the Self chervilant Oct 2015 #208

"The Century of the Self" BeanMusical Oct 2015 #210

K & R! SoapBox Oct 2015 #21

What she said ^^ Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #22

Yep. TDale313 Oct 2015 #23

Actually their smugness and condescending reflect their candidate very well. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #73

Great post. K&R nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #25

The one I like is when they emphasize a "Scientific Poll".... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #26

Science-challenged people come in many flavors cosmicone Oct 2015 #65

I saw it somewhere. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #82

The only people whose turn it is Aerows Oct 2015 #28

A recent post here said they had to be patient with us as we were all new to politics. madfloridian Oct 2015 #30

It's what you do when you are overconfident Aerows Oct 2015 #37

"I have a house, two cars" Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #34

I'd be pretty happy Aerows Oct 2015 #48

I'd imagine Bernie has driven a car in the last 20 years. Aerows Oct 2015 #53

I think it is a legitimate way to prove cosmicone Oct 2015 #66

Yep. One of the cars is a 1987 Fawke Em Oct 2015 #147

Well then.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2015 #35

I have never before seen on DU the level of childishness I've seen on here today, this week. SMH. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #38

Wasn't it Bill Clinton who said to fall in love with your candidate, then fall in line? madfloridian Oct 2015 #39

Jeebus, don't ever fall in love with a candidate. They're not gonna love you back. winter is coming Oct 2015 #43

Found it. From 2003 madfloridian Oct 2015 #45

The enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend. n/t winter is coming Oct 2015 #58

Me too. So far. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #161

^ This JRLeft Oct 2015 #127

It's really all they have Hydra Oct 2015 #42

That's nothing compared to what is being spewed at their site which is nothing compared to BeanMusical Oct 2015 #85

I'm sure it makes Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #179

Lol, pretty much. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #200

Indeed. senz Oct 2015 #189

Yeah, something that Dante could have written about. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #203

k/r 840high Oct 2015 #46

Wow, I didn't know that, that Time Warner is the eight largest donor to Hillary. What a conflice of sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #47

It is against the law for corporations to donate to political campaigns cosmicone Oct 2015 #64

legitimate question here... druidity33 Oct 2015 #116

I think the cutoff is $200 cosmicone Oct 2015 #117

ah, that explains it... druidity33 Oct 2015 #120

You have to go through the FEC financia filings cosmicone Oct 2015 #123

and, report it Accurately! Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #180

Yes, it's the guy operating the boom mic giving $2700 to Clinton. jeff47 Oct 2015 #136

Great post. You are one of my favorites on DU. Thanks so much for being here. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #51

Thanks for this, Fawke Em. It needed to be said and you said it well. senz Oct 2015 #52

Someone in this very thread derided Bernie because he has a house and two cars. Aerows Oct 2015 #59

I think that comment is actually about Fawke Em. The phrase appears in the OP. aidbo Oct 2015 #67

KABOOM! Indepatriot Oct 2015 #61

This definitely needed to be said cosmicone Oct 2015 #68

"heartbreaking week?" restorefreedom Oct 2015 #139

Bravo! Well said. bbgrunt Oct 2015 #69

For future reference, it is "brava" when addressing a female. n/t cosmicone Oct 2015 #74

well it's late, my eyes are blurry and I keep seeing your handle as "comicon", so bbgrunt Oct 2015 #78

I wasn't trying to grammar police you cosmicone Oct 2015 #81

This thread is in English. senz Oct 2015 #154

I would like to invite you, and all of the supporters of this thread to KMOD Oct 2015 #86

Can't you invite us all to take a look at BeanMusical Oct 2015 #96

Go for it, if that's what you prefer. KMOD Oct 2015 #97

Speaking of the Black Lives Matter Movement. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #101

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #102

Just one question . . . Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #106

Probably the same as it is when it happens here? KMOD Oct 2015 #107

From what I've seen, the spitballs from that site are far meaner and more disgusting that BeanMusical Oct 2015 #209

Thank you for the nice PM. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #214

They've got it locked down now. senz Oct 2015 #155

I know, that's why I asked for an invitation for us to go there. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #162

Okay, got it. Thanks! senz Oct 2015 #164

thebernreport.com, home of "Winning in All 50 states," got something right? ucrdem Oct 2015 #90

Still winning all 50 states? leftofcool Oct 2015 #104

You do realize the difference between a slogan Fawke Em Oct 2015 #148

But I thought it was only Bernie supporters who were mean. Vinca Oct 2015 #105

"access" is not the reason reddread Oct 2015 #111

Why is it that Sanders is the consummate victim of the unprovable?!?! uponit7771 Oct 2015 #112

Why is it Clinton is the consummate victim of the M$M until she's not? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #226

Very righteous rant. 99Forever Oct 2015 #113

Perhaps people would stop being condescending towards Sanders supporters mythology Oct 2015 #114

I have read the opinion of a group of Hillary supporters that the ONLY reason lots djean111 Oct 2015 #115

I don't trust Hillary, and Hillary has definitely made me angry many times over the years, BUT stillwaiting Oct 2015 #118

I wish I could yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #144

Good, clear analysis, djean. senz Oct 2015 #182

So did the debates start at 8:30 like The Bern Report breathlessly reported? sufrommich Oct 2015 #119

This blog lost all credibility after the "winning in all 50 states" nonsense. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #124

Ye without sin cast the first stone. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #125

I have talked to some other old farts I know, and we tend to feel like we are at LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #126

That's a keeper. K, R and Bookmarked. n/t Smarmie Doofus Oct 2015 #128

The left wing of the one party system demands its turn Babel_17 Oct 2015 #130

Well said. I've got 22 years on you. mountain grammy Oct 2015 #133

K & R!!! Thespian2 Oct 2015 #135

Hear, Hear! ybbor Oct 2015 #137

The people touting internet polls could use some more condescension. tritsofme Oct 2015 #140

And, again, you ignore the other countable measures of his success that night. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #151

excellent post! restorefreedom Oct 2015 #141

Kick, Rec, JackInGreen Oct 2015 #142

Excellent OP. K&R! n/t bvf Oct 2015 #145

Thanks for the post ejbr Oct 2015 #149

K&R. Perfectly worded Fawke. ion_theory Oct 2015 #152

Thanks so much for shining such a hella bright light on the Clintonista lies & distortions. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #153

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #156

K&R leftcoastmountains Oct 2015 #159

from this condescending poster: what about the stock market? SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #167

Question: who do you think that actually hurts? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #219

We have several union pensions that rely on the stock market. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #221

I know this and I'm sympathetic to it. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #222

I hate Wall Street. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #228

More from the link SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #229

Bernie does appeal to a lot of the crowd you mention in your first paragraph YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #169

AMEN! From Another Responisble Adult McKim Oct 2015 #173

Well said. senz Oct 2015 #191

Oh, thank you! Fawke Em Oct 2015 #220

K&R CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #174

K&R! Segami Oct 2015 #176

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #184

Don't forget those of us in our 60s, or the even older ones, as well. I get my news online, too. nt tblue37 Oct 2015 #185

I have been rec'ing pro-Bernie and pro-Hillary OPs all morning. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #186

K&R. nt tblue37 Oct 2015 #187

Ain't no doubt about it..... bobGandolf Oct 2015 #190

AWESOME!!!!!! GET ‘EM tigress! nt dorkzilla Oct 2015 #193

Damn glad to have you on Team Bernie. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #197

Blogger got all their childish drivebys. But for me, I don't pay much attenion to their threads. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #199

What general preference of the public for Sanders? BainsBane Oct 2015 #202

Chomsky told us about how corporate media manufacture consent! houston_radical Oct 2015 #207

At This Point Clinton Supporters Disgust Me billhicks76 Oct 2015 #213

They're getting a bad reputation, people are blocking them all over Social Media. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #216

It Hurts Me To Be So Mean But... billhicks76 Oct 2015 #218

I try not to talk down to anyone Capn Sunshine Oct 2015 #217

And Another... WillyT Oct 2015 #223

+1000 From this 70 y.o. (adult) Bernie supporter. n/t Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #230