I Challenge ANYONE Who Claims that Hillary's Iraq Vote Disqualifies Her to Prove They Said the Same

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43. I was a Dean supporter, too. What OP is missing...

1. That the anti-war movement didn't pick up steam until some time into Bush's second term. Many of us were drawn to Dean and energized because of his repudiation of the war and his criticism of Kerry.

2. The official hype about the war itself was still dominant... it was still unfolding and people had no actual sense (yet) of it being a disaster. There was a vacuum about casualty info and The Lancet had not yet published its landmark report.

3. Both Kerry and Dean were DLC. Dean was more willing to flout Third Way economics, but his associations were still there.

4. Deaniacs ran into major opposition here from mods and the head honcho. I think mine is one of just a few Deaniac accounts that did not get tombstoned. We migrated our activity to sites like PeopleForChange (a name that used to be verbotten here).

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The contrast with Clinton is that she thinks a mere claim about being misled will suffice, yet she is still arguably a war hawk --- one who now goes to a Bush neocon (Kagan) for advice and she promoted his wife in the State Dept. Kagan recently wrote a takedown of Obama's foreign policy for being too weak... Clinton then voiced the same criticism against Obama.

She was pushing Obama toward regime-change policy as soon as unrest appeared in Libya and then Syria.

There is also all the other water under the bridge. We are more hard-bitten, poorer now, rattled by disasters and Clinton is still pushing interventionism abroad and free trade treaties! Prices are rising and there is simply less headroom and tolerance for the old evasions and backstabbing of working class people.

There is overall too much flip-flopping and opportunism coming from Hillary. She had real power during Bill's term in the 90s -- like a cabinet member who couldn't be fired and who could fire people -- but we are told we must not judge her for Bill's (often nasty) work. You heard Elizabeth Warren, "there were skidmarks in the halls when she got back" to the White House. Even when she defends Bill's failures, like NAFTA, its supposed to go down the memory hole. Her campaign is lying about NAFTA, just as its lying about TPP.