2016 Postmortem

McCamy Taylor

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62. The Democratic Party has never demanded loyalty. You are thinking of the GOP.

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 06:55 PM

Oct 2015

Gotta wonder why you seem to think that the Democrats demand party loyalty. Guessing you are new to politics. Or maybe just new to Democratic politics. I am a life long (as in 50 plus year, union, civil rights, women's rights, gay rights and every other kind of rights) Democrat, and I have never ever seen the party's so called leadership pull any of the strings which the GOP pulls in their party. The Democratic Party expands. It includes. It opens up. It is highly personality driven and highly driven by the base. This kind of top down leadership that you think you see is a characteristic of Republicans.

Plus, fascism will never gain a foot hold in the US as long as 25% of the public can be counted upon to take a loud, contrary view to anything just because they can. And no one even has to pay them to do it. Imagine that!

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Party loyalty is a means of control. I vote for those who will represent me, period. [View all] F4lconF16 Oct 2015 OP

+ 1000 for Courage and Vision !!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #1

Vote however you want. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #2

the more I hear Hillary, the more convinced I am that she will fight Wall Street & the GOP SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #56

HRC, "You guys cut it out!" very firmly aikoaiko Oct 2015 #66

Really. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #71

She will not fight Wall St Rebkeh Oct 2015 #84

A much wiser person than myself wrote the following article: truedelphi Oct 2015 #115

Great rynestonecowboy Oct 2015 #126

Why would they pay and donate all of that money if it did them no good? Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #313

truthout? no more. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #174

Same here. It seems that after Obama's election, they went off the rails. BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #278

I thought it was just me. murielm99 Oct 2015 #353

No, you're in good company, murielm99. :-) BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #356

Please stop Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #120

why on earth would she fight the very people funding her campaign? nt Javaman Oct 2015 #316

I thiink you missed the point of the OP. It IS cavalier to contnue to vote for people sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #216

+ 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #252

Spot ON!!! M_A Oct 2015 #342

I will be voting for the candidate who best represents my interest, that candidate is Hillary Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #3

Hillary is unelectable. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #38

Sanders is not electable, of course Bill Krystal is hoping for Sanders to be the Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #63

Bill Krystal is hoping for HRC to steal the nomination to electrify his base and demoralize ours. Vincardog Oct 2015 #98

Yes I see Krystal's big smile and listen to what he says. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #110

Why is so much credence given to Bill Krystal's opinions? He's a smirking little twit. YOHABLO Oct 2015 #222

yohablo, we agree, "He's a smirking little twit." saidsimplesimon Oct 2015 #297

Bill Krystal is wrong about everything lewebley3 Oct 2015 #328

Sanders looks very ethical compared to Hillary. What moves has he made that have damaged JDPriestly Oct 2015 #154

Sanders has stated he would use military action and use drones. He has voted for bombing and Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #165

Bernie Sanders was a small child in WWII. His father immigrated from Europe and the family JDPriestly Oct 2015 #229

No response to my post? Well, if you must bring up another subject, Bernie did not have good Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #285

I support Bernie on gun control issues. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #319

Let's hope a President would use military action in defense of this country. That's what makes sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #343

Lockheed Martin. nt sheshe2 Oct 2015 #223

Laughing at the thought of taking out Iran: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #226

You never answer a question. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #228

You asked a question? And since when is YouTube is a foreign site? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #230

... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #232

Hello Cthulhu kicks ass and is adorable at the same time, isn't she? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #234

Did you see the kraken in the Sunday lolcats? F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #236

No, I missed it, I'll have to check it out, thanks! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #238

Sanders is VERY electable in a general pinebox Oct 2015 #169

Oh, yea, I am going to bookmark this one for later reference. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #170

Good idea. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #275

Want more? pinebox Oct 2015 #293

Both are electable geek75 Oct 2015 #290

Hadn't heard anything about it, thought it was late breaking news . ... PosterChild Oct 2015 #121

emails enid602 Oct 2015 #144

The scandal about the link between the donations from foreign countries and Hillary's and Bill's JDPriestly Oct 2015 #159

RW talking points, I would not believe the talking points from the RW Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #282

David Sirota in Salon reporting on Hillary's approvals of arms sales is right wing? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #320

I vote with the Supreme Court in mind SCantiGOP Oct 2015 #47

Agreed, the next SC nominees are important for a long time. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #65

The supreme court is the reason we should all support the eventual candidate rynestonecowboy Oct 2015 #134

The thing about the OP is this: it doesn't matter who he votes for. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #156

so you vote for the status quo, dishonest government , big business and the 1%. Good for you.... bowens43 Oct 2015 #246

No, quiet the opposite, voting for a functional government, experienced candidate who knows how to Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #295

You've invested heavily in the MIC? Martin Eden Oct 2015 #261

"Working on both sides of aisle" is kind of hard when you said that one side is the enemy. n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #294

Hum, the RW TP thinks along this line. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #296

What? Did she not say she's proud that the Republicans are 'the enemy'? Dawgs Oct 2015 #302

Think not said. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #304

What do you mean, "think not said"? n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #305

Your post #302 Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #307

I know what I said. What did you mean in your response? n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #311

Agree Completely - Very Well Stated cantbeserious Oct 2015 #4

Isn't that selfish of you? randome Oct 2015 #5

And yourself as well, SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #42

Because when you pass out before you manage to get the kid's mask on jeff47 Oct 2015 #162

Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #175

Please enlightern us how any candidate is better for the country than Bernie? On What POLCICY are Vincardog Oct 2015 #43

:crickets: As usual when asked about policies. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #213

Please excuse me for having a life. randome Oct 2015 #260

"not voting for Clinton once she is the nominee is doing a disservice to the majority" BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #281

You still haven't answered Vincardog's question. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #306

Why should anyone answer that question? ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #323

Well, that's ok if you don't know either. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #324

Another childish response. ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #337

How many times do I need to say I support Sanders over Clinton? randome Oct 2015 #325

So would you vote for a can of Spam if it was leading in the polls? It has no policy. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #327

You need to do the same. It's 840high Oct 2015 #85

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the OP... I haven't given it much thought, yet. 1monster Oct 2015 #90

Which is exactly why I am voting for Bernie. Paka Oct 2015 #227

I'll be voting for Sanders for the primary. randome Oct 2015 #272

Your willingness to live with the risk that the Supreme Court will take away onenote Oct 2015 #6

I will vote for Hillary, if necessary (I hope it isn't) for one reason only. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #22

Totally agree. dpatbrown Oct 2015 #64

+1 onenote Oct 2015 #130

I don't think they would. 840high Oct 2015 #87

Really? You think that if a repub get elected he/she isn't going to appoint scotus justices onenote Oct 2015 #131

Pssst...we don't all live in states Clinton can win. jeff47 Oct 2015 #163

So if Sanders gets the nomination would you be okay with DUers onenote Oct 2015 #166

Yep. If it doesn't change electoral votes, it doesn't matter. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #167

Exactly. We live in the real world here. Most of the time. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #176

I completely disagree. It could lead to party weakening. joshcryer Oct 2015 #237

A Sanders nomination will cause more people to vote Green than a Hillary one? dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #241

I was giving an example. joshcryer Oct 2015 #242

I am quite aware of all that, I simply have no problem with it whatsoever dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #244

Sanders would not go third party. joshcryer Oct 2015 #247

I'm pretty sure he won't, I agree dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #250

Here's a good video about it: joshcryer Oct 2015 #251

And the last 8 years have demonstrated this is false. jeff47 Oct 2015 #273

Republicans weren't eating their own joshcryer Oct 2015 #276

:rofl: jeff47 Oct 2015 #277

That's internal crap. joshcryer Oct 2015 #280

Yes, you do see them bash their party. jeff47 Oct 2015 #283

Theater. joshcryer Oct 2015 #287

So why'd you claim you don't see attacks if there are attacks? jeff47 Oct 2015 #288

OK, I think it's real, but sleazy. joshcryer Oct 2015 #291

They literally drove the speaker out of his job. jeff47 Oct 2015 #292

I called it. Ryan to run for speakership. joshcryer Oct 2015 #344

Except you've got it exactly backwards. jeff47 Oct 2015 #345

Erm, Ryan said "update our House rules." joshcryer Oct 2015 #346

And if you pay attention to which rules he wants to change jeff47 Oct 2015 #347

The rules they want changed are here: joshcryer Oct 2015 #348

So now you've moved from "he blinked" to "he hasn't ruled them out"? jeff47 Oct 2015 #349

We'll see. joshcryer Oct 2015 #350

I, largely, agree with everything you have written ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #7

Yup. Agschmid Oct 2015 #10

And neither does the OP author. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #13

Lossing, and the resulting suffering, is winning long-term? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #17

It is if we can finally convince the Democratic Party to quit lining up behind pro-corporate Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #18

Again ... I don't have that luxury ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #25

There is no 'luxury' except in your own mind. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #28

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #34

To Be Blunt Rilgin Oct 2015 #185

Thank you. Nt F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #190

Holy Cow! Excellent response! leftupnorth Oct 2015 #192

...^ that x100 840high Oct 2015 #214

Please don't lecture that poster about "privilege." joshcryer Oct 2015 #239

That is a falsehood Rilgin Oct 2015 #262

It is objective truth. joshcryer Oct 2015 #265

if you say 1sbm is privileged, that would make Trayvon MArtin as having been privileged also JI7 Oct 2015 #240

Or, What's that girl's name that people are saying? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #257

Don't take the bait. joshcryer Oct 2015 #266

You're probably right ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #267

What does Trayvon Martin have to do with this thread Rilgin Oct 2015 #258

The fact you do not understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #264

No one understands but you? Rilgin Oct 2015 #330

Funny ... I can point to a bunch of DUers that understand EXACTLY what Trayvon Martin ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #331

Actually 1Strong understands humiliation as a black man more than you JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #333

And Yes ... I have had an Officer approach me with gun drawn ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #334

You win. Rilgin Oct 2015 #335

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #338

I am glad you were there Rilgin Oct 2015 #339

Noting that our experiences are NOT similar ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #340

And I will be equally blunt ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #263

I have a favor to ask of you. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #315

Points well taken ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #318

I did not understand, and thank you for the clarification. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #321

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #322

Your response has me in tears. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #23

It is what is it ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #27

I'd rather go big and lose rather than move slowly backwards. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #29

Again, again ... I don't have that luxury. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #32

That might get us to the revolution faster. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #33

A lot of us have been going backwards for a while now. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #36

Oh, I completely agree about corporatists. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #40

translation: if i dont get my way id rather burn it down saturnsring Oct 2015 #310

Well what it is is a false narrative. zeemike Oct 2015 #54

Okay. That is you opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #58

That was then, this is now. I hope. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #74

I know what conventional wisdom says. zeemike Oct 2015 #108

precisely noiretextatique Oct 2015 #59

I don't like her chances in the GE. I think she loses BIG there SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #269

Thank you. rynestonecowboy Oct 2015 #124

Read the OP again. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #75

I am not (currently) on the edge financially, SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #83

I don't think the SCOTUS matters. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #105

IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE MOVEMENT BEHIND IT. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #113

True. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #116

Huh? I'm a Sanders supporter. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #122

Whoops-- F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #123

Okay ... for the primaries ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #99

I simply disagree that there is no question. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #111

There's a lot of valid objections to voting for her in the general? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #180

D means nothing to me. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #189

Yes, sadly. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #196

Me neither. If Hillary is forced on us despite the underwhelming enthusiasm for her Catherina Oct 2015 #8

you're not going to "take one for the team?" noiretextatique Oct 2015 #60

. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #76

What team? My team is issues-based Catherina Oct 2015 #181

"Pretending they didn't spend the last 4 years denigrating us Aerows Oct 2015 #351

There is not underwhelming enthusiasm for her. murielm99 Oct 2015 #91

In the DU fever swamp redstateblues Oct 2015 #112

Not trying to be disrespectful but rynestonecowboy Oct 2015 #145

Saying "I'll vote for her" on a poll is not enthusiasm. jeff47 Oct 2015 #164

If people would just vote in the primary for the person who best represents the PEOPLE cui bono Oct 2015 #9

I agree. Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #67

Very well said. rynestonecowboy Oct 2015 #160

LOL! Over on the Book of Faces, my Democratic state rep Fawke Em Oct 2015 #172

I think a large chunk of the electorate on the left is where you are. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #11

+1000. What you said Catherina Oct 2015 #15

Yup, I'm less than thrilled with Bernie's foreign policy stances. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #19

I'll go further. Even as bad as it is, it's miles better than anyone else's up there. Catherina Oct 2015 #183

Thanks for your comment. truedelphi Oct 2015 #128

^THIS^ SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #179

We have a government elected by a majority of those who vote. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #12

And as they are gerrymandered and their votes are suppressed. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #117

Gerrymandering can be fixed by getting out enmass and voting Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #129

So many things can be fixed that way. Let's hope it happens. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #132

Hope foesn't fix anything. People need to be responsible. nt Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #137

Yes. I meant I hope a sufficient number of people will be responsible. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #139

If people don't vote, Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #142

And to support candidates financially and otherwise, SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #147

Fine, vote how you want. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #14

The choice we face now is Bernie or someone else for our candidate/ the best chance the republicans Vincardog Oct 2015 #51

I think this is a very good point. Go Bernie! nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #92

TU Vincardog Oct 2015 #95

Earn this damn vote or lose it. nt Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #16

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #73

Except we can't afford that. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #97

Thing is, it's not necessarily a 'we'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #103

Lord, that's a sad situation. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #114

Yeah, it really is. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #119

We need to build our local communities because SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #125

Man! I can't wait until the primaries are over. BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #20

Me too .... ronnykmarshall Oct 2015 #70

Please vote your conscience in the primaries, but remember the Terms of Service: TexasTowelie Oct 2015 #21

Thank you. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #26

Heinlein was very right-wing. murielm99 Oct 2015 #94

NOPE. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #106

Google is your friend. murielm99 Oct 2015 #209

Google is your friend as well. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #254

Elizabeth Warren used to be a Republican. murielm99 Oct 2015 #341

I put off looking at this for quite a while. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #352

I had you on ignore, and took you off. murielm99 Oct 2015 #354

I am happy to say I don't care! SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #355

no one can command a vote restorefreedom Oct 2015 #30

I said nothing to that effect and everyone can choose who to vote for in the general election TexasTowelie Oct 2015 #50

you only posted the tos restorefreedom Oct 2015 #61

It's okay. TexasTowelie Oct 2015 #72

its not bad to get a reminder now and then, esp with many new posters. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #78

yeah I once got a post hid for saying as much so go figure nt uhnope Oct 2015 #141

Thank you. 840high Oct 2015 #219

Funny how we're allowed to gripe about them once they are already in office, but not when it is liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #41

Ah, the "friendly" TOS reminder. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #77

Yep. [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2015 #215

That sounds fair and makes but.... where does DU draw the line? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #200

Always vote by what you hold dear . TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #24

The real power lies in the Party collective. FarPoint Oct 2015 #31

Exactly. And I want to change the party. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #37

I suggest... FarPoint Oct 2015 #49

I would actually like to in theory, SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #52

The consequences of Republican rule do not apply evenly to everyone. RandySF Oct 2015 #35

Sad but true. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #44

+ 1000 JoePhilly Oct 2015 #55

What happens to working people when they have to compete with workers in Vietnam? Enthusiast Oct 2015 #79

Thank You.. haikugal Oct 2015 #138

Yes. My plan is to avoid the corporatist at all costs. Enough is enough! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #143

Because .. Fuck this shit! haikugal Oct 2015 #148

Exactly! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #151

FUCK CORPORATIONS! SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #182

+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #286

Did you not read the OP? F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #80

You're more than welcome to f--- yourself. RandySF Oct 2015 #89

Temper tantrum. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #102

It is very good for that purpose. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #136

Consider the source.... nt haikugal Oct 2015 #140

Seriously, rynestonecowboy Oct 2015 #155

Democratic Underground. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #39

Ah, because I learn a lot. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #82

FYI, someone took offense to your post: Tipperary Oct 2015 #225

What a ridiculous alert, I guess they wanted the op locked out of his own thread. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #231

I thought it was ridiculous too. Tipperary Oct 2015 #270

Thank you for posting. Broward Oct 2015 #45

YES! OUT WITH THE CORPORATE DEMS! nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #48

^^^ This ^^^ - The DNC DLC Third Wayers Have To Go - Else The People Will Perish cantbeserious Oct 2015 #57

May I ask if you take your handle from the county? SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #187

Yes, but I no longer live there. Broward Oct 2015 #210

It's a means of control or a means of power to the people. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #46

You should start ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #53

Why shouldn't the American people expect representation? It isn't utopia to expect democracy. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #93

And you sir should start a forum... AOR Oct 2015 #101

Did you call me a "philistine"??? JoePhilly Oct 2015 #259

Nader tried that. joshcryer Oct 2015 #233

The Democratic Party has never demanded loyalty. You are thinking of the GOP. McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #62

Might want to open your eyes. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #88

You're kidding, right? SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #127

The DEM party is just a lesser evil to me, too many right wingers in the party m-lekktor Oct 2015 #68

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #96

All too true.... haikugal Oct 2015 #146

Really. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #188

Perhaps you should have read the terms of service of this site BainsBane Oct 2015 #69

It's nothing personal. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #100

It's the presidency. What is more establishment than the presidency? BainsBane Oct 2015 #202

The republicans created a meme that Clinton is too conservative? Doctor_J Oct 2015 #118

"Emotion and projection, in my opinion, is a poor basis for voting. " Bonobo Oct 2015 #158

Yeah, I have my issues with some Sanders supporters. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #191

+100 - that's why I became an independent. 840high Oct 2015 #81

Bernie represents me & I am voting for him - period. nt TBF Oct 2015 #86

It's the only way we can help get the country back on track. continuing to vote Doctor_J Oct 2015 #104

This forum is not for you, then. Tarc Oct 2015 #107

I don't agree. I want to get our party out of the clutches of the corporatists. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #133

Then.... rynestonecowboy Oct 2015 #149

So, who the hell died and made you DU sheriff? Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #150

"...am not a Democrat..." Tarc Oct 2015 #168

Another one what? Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #178

If you're not here to support the party Tarc Oct 2015 #186

Kidding, right? SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #197

Oh, FFS. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #221

The color of a politician's jersey is much less important than their policies. jeff47 Oct 2015 #298

Go to the BOG and hillarysupporters.com for "cult of personality." Maedhros Oct 2015 #303

Hands over ears, pretending there's no disagreeing voices Tarc Oct 2015 #312

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #109

We got you the first of many times you posted this brush Oct 2015 #135

No, it's a site for discussion amongst Democrats. Theoretically. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #184

Better research that. The purpose of this site is to get Dems elected . . . brush Oct 2015 #199

If I thought that I'd be outta here. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #205

Pls research it. This site was founded . . . brush Oct 2015 #206

Gotcha. Needs to expand its purpose. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #208

I'm not sure if I agree with you or not but I can understand your argument A Little Weird Oct 2015 #152

K&R! haikugal Oct 2015 #153

Bernie voter here also. forsaken mortal Oct 2015 #157

Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #161

The primary can't be over soon enough for me BootinUp Oct 2015 #171

As long as you're willing to accept the alternative... brooklynite Oct 2015 #173

I can't take the alternative. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #194

My point is that if your candidate can't win a national election... brooklynite Oct 2015 #195

I love you. In the Heinlein sense. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #203

I understand. Hugs. 840high Oct 2015 #218

If you are comfortable giving control of the SCOTUS to the GOP for a generation that is your right Gothmog Oct 2015 #177

Yes, but. Some nominees have greatly surprised their appointer. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #207

I won't vote for anyone who does not represent me. The slogan "we suck less" does not work GoneFishin Oct 2015 #193

As long as you're willing to accept the possibility of the "we suck more" guy getting elected brooklynite Oct 2015 #198

I am supporting the guy who is least like the "we suck more" guy. I think concerned people should GoneFishin Oct 2015 #201

Loyalty is a two-way street. If it goes only one way, it's a dead end. merrily Oct 2015 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author Tikki Oct 2015 #211

I have never studied an issue and then found a Republican who can represent me...maybe it's...... Tikki Oct 2015 #212

Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #217

And so the PUMA returns. It's bigger this time: Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #220

I admire you for standing up for what you believe in. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #224

You're the kind of voter the Republican party needs. joshcryer Oct 2015 #235

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this thoughtful OP dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #243

Well said. Climate change has radicalized me, too. nt F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #279

I agree, a (D) next to the name is not enough anymore. bowens43 Oct 2015 #245

Party Loyalty is BUNK we saw what happened last time when the 'loyal' third way, neo liberal, YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #248

I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.... stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #249

Fine. Why do you post on Democratic Underground.... Adrahil Oct 2015 #253

K&R nt LiberalElite Oct 2015 #255

Party loyalty is a figment of your own imagination. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #256

I completely disagree, Party Loyalty, is a means of keeping the republicans from overrunning... DrewFlorida Oct 2015 #268

I wish voting were enough. It matters not in the long run. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #271

Most Excellent OP WillyT Oct 2015 #274

Oh Bravo! Faux pas Oct 2015 #284

So sick of the Hillary bashing geek75 Oct 2015 #289

This site is named Democratic Underground, not Third Way Lebertarian Underground. Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #299

Fine your taking yourself out of the race upaloopa Oct 2015 #300

We all got to do what we think will do the most good LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #301

i personally believe... saturnsring Oct 2015 #308

Well said! Paper Roses Oct 2015 #309

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity" Babel_17 Oct 2015 #314

"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Oct 2015 #317

No there is a great deal of difference between Al Gore and Bush: You are uninformed! lewebley3 Oct 2015 #329

How Can She Take On Wall Street? colsohlibgal Oct 2015 #326

Right on, and damn tootin'! hifiguy Oct 2015 #332

Fortunately, people who have this attitude � NurseJackie Oct 2015 #336