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In reply to the discussion: Party loyalty is a means of control. I vote for those who will represent me, period. [View all]Gothmog
(145,168 posts)177. If you are comfortable giving control of the SCOTUS to the GOP for a generation that is your right
The issue of the control of the SCOTUS will be an issue. Clinton, Sanders and O'Mally have each promised to impose a litimus test with respect to Citizens United for any future appointments. The key issue is making sure that a Democrat wins in 2016
Rick Perry may be an idiot and has since dropped out but he raised this issue a while back and all GOP operatives are aware of this issue and will be pushing it http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/perry-identifies-the-top-issue-the-2016-race
But over at Bloomberg Politics, Sahil Kapur reported over the weekend on a South Carolina event, where former Gov. Rick Perry (R) highlighted a central national issue that doesnt generally get as much attention.
Something I want you all to think about is that the next president of the United States, whoever that individual may be, could choose up to three, maybe even four members of the Supreme Court, he said. Now this isnt about whos going to be the president of the United States for just the next four years. This could be about individuals who have an impact on you, your children, and even our grandchildren. Thats the weight of what this election is really about.
That, I will suggest to you, is the real question we need to be asking ourselves, he continued. What would those justices look like if, lets be theoretical here and say, if it were Hillary Clinton versus Rick Perry? And if that wont make you go work, if I do decide to get into the race, then I dont know what will.
Whatever one might think of Perry or his skills as a potential president, thats actually an excellent summary of an underappreciated issue. ThinkProgress Ian Millhiser, whom I wouldnt describe as a Perry proponent, said the Texas Republican made last weeks single most incisive statement about the 2016 election.
This chart makes clear why control of the SCOTUS is ups for grabs
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The results of the last three decision days at the SCOTUS demonstrates why control of the SCOTUS is critical. If the GOP wins the White House in 2016, the GOP will get to select three to five SCOTUS nominees and these nominees will control the direction of the court for a generation
I live in Texas where we are dealing with the effects of the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. In 2014, the GOP was able to depress the vote by 5.8% to 12.8% and steal the election. If the GOP gets to control the SCOTUS, we can kiss the right to privacy and Roe v. Wade goodbye.
Everyone should vote the way that they see fit but without control of the POTUS, we will see the SCOTUS become an arm of the RNC for a generation. I would hate to see us lose the right to privacy and the right to make a choice under Roe. v Wade
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Party loyalty is a means of control. I vote for those who will represent me, period. [View all]
F4lconF16
Oct 2015
OP
the more I hear Hillary, the more convinced I am that she will fight Wall Street & the GOP
SleeplessinSoCal
Oct 2015
#56
I thiink you missed the point of the OP. It IS cavalier to contnue to vote for people
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#216
+ 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
orpupilofnature57
Oct 2015
#252
I will be voting for the candidate who best represents my interest, that candidate is Hillary
Thinkingabout
Oct 2015
#3
Sanders is not electable, of course Bill Krystal is hoping for Sanders to be the
Thinkingabout
Oct 2015
#63
Bill Krystal is hoping for HRC to steal the nomination to electrify his base and demoralize ours.
Vincardog
Oct 2015
#98
Why is so much credence given to Bill Krystal's opinions? He's a smirking little twit.
YOHABLO
Oct 2015
#222
Sanders looks very ethical compared to Hillary. What moves has he made that have damaged
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#154
Sanders has stated he would use military action and use drones. He has voted for bombing and
Thinkingabout
Oct 2015
#165
Bernie Sanders was a small child in WWII. His father immigrated from Europe and the family
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#229
No response to my post? Well, if you must bring up another subject, Bernie did not have good
Thinkingabout
Oct 2015
#285
Let's hope a President would use military action in defense of this country. That's what makes
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#343
Hello Cthulhu kicks ass and is adorable at the same time, isn't she?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#234
The scandal about the link between the donations from foreign countries and Hillary's and Bill's
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#159
David Sirota in Salon reporting on Hillary's approvals of arms sales is right wing?
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#320
The supreme court is the reason we should all support the eventual candidate
rynestonecowboy
Oct 2015
#134
so you vote for the status quo, dishonest government , big business and the 1%. Good for you....
bowens43
Oct 2015
#246
No, quiet the opposite, voting for a functional government, experienced candidate who knows how to
Thinkingabout
Oct 2015
#295
"Working on both sides of aisle" is kind of hard when you said that one side is the enemy. n/t
Dawgs
Oct 2015
#294
Please enlightern us how any candidate is better for the country than Bernie? On What POLCICY are
Vincardog
Oct 2015
#43
"not voting for Clinton once she is the nominee is doing a disservice to the majority"
BlueCaliDem
Oct 2015
#281
So would you vote for a can of Spam if it was leading in the polls? It has no policy.
BeanMusical
Oct 2015
#327
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the OP... I haven't given it much thought, yet.
1monster
Oct 2015
#90
I will vote for Hillary, if necessary (I hope it isn't) for one reason only.
SusanCalvin
Oct 2015
#22
Really? You think that if a repub get elected he/she isn't going to appoint scotus justices
onenote
Oct 2015
#131
A Sanders nomination will cause more people to vote Green than a Hillary one?
dreamnightwind
Oct 2015
#241
I am quite aware of all that, I simply have no problem with it whatsoever
dreamnightwind
Oct 2015
#244
It is if we can finally convince the Democratic Party to quit lining up behind pro-corporate
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2015
#18
if you say 1sbm is privileged, that would make Trayvon MArtin as having been privileged also
JI7
Oct 2015
#240
Funny ... I can point to a bunch of DUers that understand EXACTLY what Trayvon Martin ...
1StrongBlackMan
Oct 2015
#331
There's a lot of valid objections to voting for her in the general? ...
1StrongBlackMan
Oct 2015
#180
Me neither. If Hillary is forced on us despite the underwhelming enthusiasm for her
Catherina
Oct 2015
#8
If people would just vote in the primary for the person who best represents the PEOPLE
cui bono
Oct 2015
#9
I think a large chunk of the electorate on the left is where you are.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2015
#11
I'll go further. Even as bad as it is, it's miles better than anyone else's up there.
Catherina
Oct 2015
#183
The choice we face now is Bernie or someone else for our candidate/ the best chance the republicans
Vincardog
Oct 2015
#51
Please vote your conscience in the primaries, but remember the Terms of Service:
TexasTowelie
Oct 2015
#21
I said nothing to that effect and everyone can choose who to vote for in the general election
TexasTowelie
Oct 2015
#50
its not bad to get a reminder now and then, esp with many new posters. nt
restorefreedom
Oct 2015
#78
Funny how we're allowed to gripe about them once they are already in office, but not when it is
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2015
#41
What happens to working people when they have to compete with workers in Vietnam?
Enthusiast
Oct 2015
#79
What a ridiculous alert, I guess they wanted the op locked out of his own thread.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#231
^^^ This ^^^ - The DNC DLC Third Wayers Have To Go - Else The People Will Perish
cantbeserious
Oct 2015
#57
Why shouldn't the American people expect representation? It isn't utopia to expect democracy.
Enthusiast
Oct 2015
#93
The Democratic Party has never demanded loyalty. You are thinking of the GOP.
McCamy Taylor
Oct 2015
#62
The DEM party is just a lesser evil to me, too many right wingers in the party
m-lekktor
Oct 2015
#68
It's the only way we can help get the country back on track. continuing to vote
Doctor_J
Oct 2015
#104
I don't agree. I want to get our party out of the clutches of the corporatists. nt
SusanCalvin
Oct 2015
#133
I'm not sure if I agree with you or not but I can understand your argument
A Little Weird
Oct 2015
#152
Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2015
#161
If you are comfortable giving control of the SCOTUS to the GOP for a generation that is your right
Gothmog
Oct 2015
#177
I won't vote for anyone who does not represent me. The slogan "we suck less" does not work
GoneFishin
Oct 2015
#193
As long as you're willing to accept the possibility of the "we suck more" guy getting elected
brooklynite
Oct 2015
#198
I am supporting the guy who is least like the "we suck more" guy. I think concerned people should
GoneFishin
Oct 2015
#201
I have never studied an issue and then found a Republican who can represent me...maybe it's......
Tikki
Oct 2015
#212
Party Loyalty is BUNK we saw what happened last time when the 'loyal' third way, neo liberal,
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
Oct 2015
#248
I completely disagree, Party Loyalty, is a means of keeping the republicans from overrunning...
DrewFlorida
Oct 2015
#268
This site is named Democratic Underground, not Third Way Lebertarian Underground.
Todays_Illusion
Oct 2015
#299
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity"
Babel_17
Oct 2015
#314
"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush"
greenman3610
Oct 2015
#317
No there is a great deal of difference between Al Gore and Bush: You are uninformed!
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#329