2016 Postmortem

sabrina 1

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9. Yes, obviously Warren would have been great. But we already see the attacks

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:38 PM

Oct 2015

that would have only intensified had she run. I won't repeat them, but even now that she is not running, I see a preview of how bad it would have been.

Bernie had the least assailable record of anyone who might be able to take on this enormous task of running against the entire, super powerful establishment.

Third Way founders eg, crawed out of their hiding holes to attack Warren in the WSJ eg, last year which told me they were gearing up for a possible run by Warran.

'She was a Repub up to recently' eg. She's only good on Wall St, another charge.

I have a feeling this run by Bernie was well thought out. The Progressives in our party are few and far between now, but I have a feeling there was a lot of thought put into this.

And as we can see,, the ruthlessness, which we expect now, is in evidence in the attacks on Bernie.

Warren is very smart. I think the way for a run by her, needed to be paved by someone else. She knows what she would have faced.'

I had a lot of questions re O'Malley also, but it was a far better choice than Hillary for me.

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I Changed My Mind! [View all] sabrina 1 Oct 2015 OP

"beating Clinton in the polls and in the first Debate. " NCTraveler Oct 2015 #1

I'm sure you've heard that people who have consciences are spoiled, selfish, rotten democracy sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #3

I'm sure I have. lol. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #4

I bet you drive a volvo too! Bubzer Oct 2015 #72

I only learned recently that I was supposed to own a volvo. I wish people would sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #76

99% of the Democrats will vote for whoever the eventual nominee is. I think the same would apply to still_one Oct 2015 #2

Having signed up new dems who have not voted for years, so they can vote for BErnie sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #5

I disagree, and so do the polls, which is far less anecdotal. However, we are all entitled to our still_one Oct 2015 #7

Bernie won the debate, by every measure used to determine who wins sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #10

ok, whatever you say, have a nice day still_one Oct 2015 #11

It isn't what I say. It's what tens of thousands of people who actually watched the dabate sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #14

Exactly. Phlem Oct 2015 #17

Yes and it kind of goes with the inconsistency of the presumed nominee. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #40

I've always been a self thinker. Phlem Oct 2015 #73

Unless the polls state that HRC is in the lead d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #58

I wasn't talking about debate polls, I was talking about election polls. As far as DU is concerned, still_one Oct 2015 #66

Election polls don't matter. Obama proved this in 2008. d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #90

At this stage I agree, but they are an indicator. still_one Oct 2015 #96

Exactly. Phlem Oct 2015 #70

I will follow Bernie's example ... if he's not the nominee he will support and ALBliberal Oct 2015 #31

I don't follow anyone's example. Too bad you and many others are basing their sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #37

So you agree on keeping troops in Afghanistan? still_one Oct 2015 #55

Did she say every decision? artislife Oct 2015 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author ALBliberal Oct 2015 #103

Great answer. tecelote Oct 2015 #35

Who won or lost debates as far as DU is concerned depends on which candidate someone supports still_one Oct 2015 #65

Bernie didn't just win the debate...he crushed it! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #78

Really good point, sabrina. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #111

She was the "darling" last time Plucketeer Oct 2015 #36

October polls do not preduct June results. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #52

Correct. They only are an indication at that particular moment in time, and yes, things can and do still_one Oct 2015 #67

+1000 - IMO sabrina, you are 110% correct. It's time the people who really care to stand up 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #12

I love that bumper sticker! Lol! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #16

Me too. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #23

I had to re register as a Dem to vote for Bernie in the primaries litlbilly Oct 2015 #46

Hey! I was at the Portland rally too! 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #50

They can't artislife Oct 2015 #108

+1 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #20

I agree artislife Oct 2015 #106

This was pretty much the path I took too except rosesaylavee Oct 2015 #6

Yes, obviously Warren would have been great. But we already see the attacks sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #9

Has an exchange with a well-respected friend of mine on FaceBook today rosesaylavee Oct 2015 #25

I still am hoping for a Sanders/Warren 2016 Democratic ticket. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #26

Barbara Lee! marym625 Oct 2015 #33

Another good VP choice, for sure. nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #34

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #8

Thank you. Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #13

K&R!!!! Phlem Oct 2015 #15

Pffft. I saw through your act from the very beginning. merrily Oct 2015 #18

Lol, some people are just too clever for their own good! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #95

I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton.... stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #19

Is this a bot? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #38

You know i can't speak my mind on DU. stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #113

Yeah, we know. nt artislife Oct 2015 #110

I'm not so sure some of the Hillary people will vote this time if Bernie is the nominee. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #21

Sure they will. On DU it is a few of the Bernie supporters who are saying they will not vote for still_one Oct 2015 #24

Hillary as the nominee will stimulate republican turnout.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #27

Right, and a "socialist, who believes we should follow Denmark as an example" will not motivate any still_one Oct 2015 #29

I Believe I Heard That He Intends To Give A Big Speech On THIS ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #48

You are not arguing against me. My post was directed specifically at the comment that Hillary still_one Oct 2015 #53

There weren't enough anti-socialist right wingers like that to stop Obama.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #85

Hopefully you are right still_one Oct 2015 #89

I Agree With You AND It Has Started Already, TRUMP Is Shouting ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #97

Of course I agree, which is why the sooner Bernie comes out with his major speech explaining what still_one Oct 2015 #98

To Which I Also Agree, BUT Bernie Has A BIGGER Hurdle ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #101

I am not good at reading tea leaves. I am still considering the choices, which currently still_one Oct 2015 #102

Getting money out of politics and expanding Social Security resonates even with republican voters. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #49

Clinton, if nominee, will NOT win. SoapBox Oct 2015 #82

"...and several of these people (women) hate her." Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #88

What's funny is Hillary supporters acting all smug and superior.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #112

They say they will artislife Oct 2015 #109

Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #22

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #28

I read Biden is gonna run...no really...this time.... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #30

I haven't changed my mind marym625 Oct 2015 #32

I am voting for Hillary Clinton the next POTUS leftofcool Oct 2015 #39

That's great, that's your choice, and I certainly won't be badgering, cajoling, nagging, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #44

Without DU, a certain sitting POTUS would not have been. raven mad Oct 2015 #41

And according to many on DU back then that sitting POTUS didn't have a chance either sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #45

Didn't............... raven mad Oct 2015 #61

Wait, you think DU Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #93

No, what we are watching on DU is the same 'he can't win' claims we saw in 2008. That's all. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #100

That's not what the poster said, Sabrina. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #104

NEVER Had To Change My Mind, I Was A Bernie ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #42

I definitely knew he would be the best candidate we could get IF he decided to run. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #47

And OUR Job Is To Do All The Heavy Lifting We Can! ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #51

Absolutely I couldn't agree more. The Corporatists in both parties will be out to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #54

+ a googolplex. hifiguy Oct 2015 #56

Hah! I love googolplex. Stardust Oct 2015 #86

Bernie: to know him (and his politics) is to love him. Headed toward the Stratosphere! AzDar Oct 2015 #43

Next time, please put a warning that Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #57

Did anyone SAY you were allowed to not support Hillary in the primaries?!?!?!? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #59

Did someone get you upset or something? Btw, we still live in a DEMOCRACY. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #62

Man, either I am losing my touch or you need to adjust your snark detector. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #64

Lol, snark meter is now adjusted! And it wasn't you actually that was pretty good. I sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #68

Thanks! N.Y. to Paris Oct 2015 #60

No problem, N.Y. to Paris. I just get tired of the nonsense here and try to avoid the sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #69

sabrina 1 has a wonderful mind and a way with words. Stardust Oct 2015 #87

The real question should be aimed back at the Hillary people jimlup Oct 2015 #63

It's good that you decided for Bernie Sheepshank Oct 2015 #71

Lol, well it's okay to change one's mind. I'm hoping you will and come on over sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #75

Thanks for the invite Sheepshank Oct 2015 #80

I only have one complaint hootinholler Oct 2015 #74

I didn't really change my mind... sort of did... Kalidurga Oct 2015 #77

Another people barometer for Bernie aspirant Oct 2015 #79

NY had it's cut off date for non dem registrations on Oct 9th. One non voter I know registered sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #84

Thanks Sabrina, you're doing good work here. Yea I'm voting for the nominee!! MasonDreams Oct 2015 #81

K & R, Sabrina! SoapBox Oct 2015 #83

K and effing R Scuba Oct 2015 #91

love ya Sabrina!! yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #92

Love you back yuiyoshida! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #94

I am officially curious Doc Holliday Oct 2015 #99

I never changed my mind. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #105