2016 Postmortem

Persondem

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83. Another way to look at it from Paul Krugman ...

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:40 PM

Oct 2015

"In other words, while there are some differences in financial policy between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders, as a practical matter they’re trivial compared with the yawning gulf with Republicans."

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"I won't vote for Hillary" is the canary in the coal mine [View all] Fumesucker Oct 2015 OP

well.. yes and no EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #1

I'm not trying to changres anyones's mind. Vote for ever you want to vote for... bowens43 Oct 2015 #2

I won't vote for her in the primaries... Lunabell Oct 2015 #3

I could not agree more. SkyDaddy7 Oct 2015 #22

Exactly Andy823 Oct 2015 #35

Why is taking a stand on principle considered pouting? Fuddnik Oct 2015 #45

It's not demwing Oct 2015 #62

I'm not pouting - just 840high Oct 2015 #105

Voting for Bernie in the primary... SkyDaddy7 Oct 2015 #121

I think you are right. malokvale77 Oct 2015 #4

Likewise in Florida. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #47

I'm in a solid BLUE section of LA County and I hear Hillary hatred all the time. Hepburn Oct 2015 #65

I feel this way as well retrowire Oct 2015 #5

If Bernie loses the general, he will not be able to vote for Hillary... Thor_MN Oct 2015 #10

WTF? Where did you get such an idea? Scuba Oct 2015 #17

I think retrowire meant the primary. n/t bvf Oct 2015 #19

What good is it to nominate Hillary when ... DrBulldog Oct 2015 #6

I met 2 of them yesterday. RiverLover Oct 2015 #7

The mind is a tragic thing to waste. To be against a woman for staying with her husband... kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #20

I agree about the issue in your subject line dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #94

Actually, it was a Navy Blue dress. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #109

She didn't seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer. RiverLover Oct 2015 #122

With a name like fumesucker, I would think you could handle the toxic atmossphere. Vattel Oct 2015 #8

I'm hanging out in GD-P Fumesucker Oct 2015 #13

I'm pining for Bernie and the fjords! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #9

Bingo! This is the point the OP is making! Most above have not "discussed" it so much as Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #41

Dems don't have to be in love just with every candidate. After Obama its kinda hard you know... uponit7771 Oct 2015 #11

He's just resting... Fumesucker Oct 2015 #12

Like Hillary? artislife Oct 2015 #76

Define "stay home" Martin Eden Oct 2015 #14

You are ascribing more sophistication on the part of voters than most of them deserve Fumesucker Oct 2015 #15

OK, so "stay home" isn't what you personally plan to do Martin Eden Oct 2015 #21

I sure hope you are right hellraiser69 Oct 2015 #38

I plan to vote in November 2016. Nedsdag Oct 2015 #92

It's a matter of turning alienated voters into strategic voters eridani Oct 2015 #16

Apathy is the enemy of democracy. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #23

Obama will make a great SC Justice Sunlei Oct 2015 #25

No, he wouldn't because the Supreme Court is not just about Roe and CU TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #78

I like your transmission analogy. My problem with Hillary is A Simple Game Oct 2015 #29

Well I agree with half of your strategy. I am so glad Sanders is getting people back into the liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #52

Well, Fume. Take comfort: Rep. Mo Brooks will move to impeach Hillary as soon as she is Hortensis Oct 2015 #18

what will Bernie Sanders say if he doesn't win the primary? Sunlei Oct 2015 #24

...assuming DU is in any way reflective of Democrats in the real world. It's not. brooklynite Oct 2015 #26

Your are so correct with that statement INdemo Oct 2015 #27

Exactly Andy823 Oct 2015 #40

Indeed, DUers are far more likely to hold their nose and vote for a nominee they don't care for Fumesucker Oct 2015 #42

EXACTLY!!! Dawgs Oct 2015 #48

I will vote for Hillary in the general if she gets the nomination, but iwillalwayswonderwhy Oct 2015 #28

SCOTUS SCOTUS SCOTUS !!!! secondwind Oct 2015 #30

Which stage of grief is this? JoePhilly Oct 2015 #31

Being rude to Bernie supporters does Hillary no good. senz Oct 2015 #113

There you go again, Fimesucker, makin' stuff up and... Nitram Oct 2015 #32

Who will you be assigning blame to if Hillary loses the general? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #34

Sounds like you've already accepted the blame. nt Nitram Oct 2015 #36

He's only resting.. Fumesucker Oct 2015 #37

No he's not, he's an ex-Democrat! Nitram Oct 2015 #39

Indeed, you make my point for me Fumesucker Oct 2015 #43

I gujess you didn't notice my reference to the 'ex-parrot', of 'he's just restin' fame. Nitram Oct 2015 #123

Never seen Fumesucker make stuff up or play the drama queen. senz Oct 2015 #114

That's exactly what I've been concerned about. Vinca Oct 2015 #33

Why be concerned if the party wants Hillary then they should be ready for voter apathy already YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #44

As Hillary rises in the polls I expect the attacks on her to grow exponentially./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #46

Still won't make her electable in the GE. Dawgs Oct 2015 #49

Thank you for confirming my observation. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #50

LOL!! Dawgs Oct 2015 #55

Emoticons are inadequate camouflage for paucity of thought DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #60

Great research. Dawgs Oct 2015 #74

In your initial response you dismissed betting/predictions markets as laughable: DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #75

My last response is why it's laughable. Dawgs Oct 2015 #77

I was expecting ... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #79

Right, and I showed the "market" thought Hillary would win in December of 2007. Dawgs Oct 2015 #80

Yes, when two or more people or teams compete... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #82

It would have helped if you said that in the first place. Dawgs Oct 2015 #89

I would insult my interlocutor too if I was incapable of making an elementary inference. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #91

I am a Hillary supporter who has "harangued" no one, nor do I intend to do so. Tipperary Oct 2015 #51

sorry but that right there is harangueing. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #54

It is haranguing to say that if Dems do not go the polls then we are in danger of Tipperary Oct 2015 #56

Why don't we place the blame where it belongs, on the politicians, not the voters. Blaming liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #58

If a Democrat who chooses not to vote cannot see the possible ramifications of that failure Tipperary Oct 2015 #61

Wow. Good luck convincing people to vote with that attitude. I am 39 by the way and have liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #64

Apparently you have misunderstood me because I do not give a fig if you vote or not. Tipperary Oct 2015 #66

Democrats are 30% of the electorate. You don't win with 30%. jeff47 Oct 2015 #67

Quotes around "you're a lousy Democrat" implies that I wrote that, and I did not. That Tipperary Oct 2015 #68

:eyes: jeff47 Oct 2015 #69

I am sorry if you object to my opinion, but that is what it is, an opinion. Tipperary Oct 2015 #70

And your opinion doesn't actually help win elections. jeff47 Oct 2015 #73

No, that is not my goal. Tipperary Oct 2015 #88

Not everyone who votes for Democrats is a "Democrat" Fumesucker Oct 2015 #57

exactly. They don't have to do anything. All they have to do is blame the other party and threaten liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #59

Lately, the email issue is beginning to implode Kelvin Mace Oct 2015 #53

True. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #63

You can call it whatever you want, it won't change the dynamics of the situation Fumesucker Oct 2015 #84

In matters of conscience the law of majority has no place. Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #71

I'll be voting for the dem candidate. cwydro Oct 2015 #72

A vote for Hillary is a vote for the further co-optation of the Democratic Party Maedhros Oct 2015 #81

Another way to look at it from Paul Krugman ... Persondem Oct 2015 #83

A lot of people don't believe Hillary is serious about her proposals Fumesucker Oct 2015 #85

Realistically, without the House of Representatives Persondem Oct 2015 #93

Hold her feet to the fire? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #100

PUMA - Remember those people? firebrand80 Oct 2015 #86

I remember what happened to Hillary the last time Fumesucker Oct 2015 #87

The weaknesses you point out in Hillary are very true firebrand80 Oct 2015 #90

Every person is entitled to their vote. If Bernie wants to vote for Hillary if she wins the liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #97

Anyone not voting for Hillary in the General election is braindead. sellitman Oct 2015 #95

braindead ? olddots Oct 2015 #98

buh bye. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #99

Good riddence sellitman Oct 2015 #120

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger Fumesucker Oct 2015 #101

WTH - what a choice of words. 840high Oct 2015 #104

She simply can not win the general election emsimon33 Oct 2015 #96

Stop telling us you won't vote for Hillary upaloopa Oct 2015 #102

Say, I won't be voting for Hillary either... Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #103

Fine suit yourself upaloopa Oct 2015 #106

I agree and voting for a corporate shill is not mine. Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #108

I appreciate you kicking my thread Fumesucker Oct 2015 #111

I feel your pain. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #107

Wisihing pain on me won't make your own pain less Fumesucker Oct 2015 #110

I was wishing pain on you? NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #115

I apologize and you step up the personal insults? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #116

People are discussing this the wrong way left lowrider Oct 2015 #112

There were similar statements said in 2012. joshcryer Oct 2015 #117

There was a contested primary in 2012? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #118

Oh, no, people were cheering Nader... joshcryer Oct 2015 #119

You make the mistake of equating DU workinclasszero Oct 2015 #124