2016 Postmortem

brush

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24. Have you been under a rock?

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:12 PM

Oct 2015

There's no way the repugs can win the way they've alienated Latinos, Blacks, Asians, women, gays, progressive whites (the Obama Coalition) . . . whoever the Dem nominee is will win it.

The demographics of the country are browning as I write. One thousand Latino/as are turning 18 daily and they are not going to vote for a republican. There are literally no longer enough conservative whites for the "nearly all white party" to win the presidency anymore. Their gerrymandering is the only reason they win the mid-terms, but 2016 is the presidential election cycle where we dems turn out heavily.

Are you aware the repugs haven't legitimately won the presidency since 1988? They cheated to get W in in 2000 and 2004, but with Anonymous around (see Rove's freakout on Fox on 2012 election night when his attempted election rigging in Ohio didn't work) and Dems on the look out for their shenanigans, they aren't getting away with that anymore.

With your post count I can see you're not new to this. You have to know this stuff.

Care to explain your post.

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If Hillary gets the nomination, I wonder how many disaffected dems will [View all] whatchamacallit Oct 2015 OP

Aren't you tired of this? Blus4u Oct 2015 #1

If by 'this' you mean whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #6

If you want change...it begins at home. FarPoint Oct 2015 #83

Basically, wait your turn artislife Oct 2015 #132

Well that sounds like a lot of work workinclasszero Oct 2015 #190

You might want to rethink the "spam internet polls" thing kristopher Nov 2015 #236

My guess @0. "Disaffected" don't do loyalty or any other vows. Hortensis Oct 2015 #221

Seems to be the topic of the day Gman Oct 2015 #2

yeah. That lesson is that no matter what happens, Dixiecrats will blame the left. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #77

Ain't that the truth.. whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #80

It's funny how there is always a reason to go rightward, isn't it? JRLeft Oct 2015 #81

Sadly, you're spot on here. TDale313 Oct 2015 #98

If more people would have voted for Nader, he would have won? nt artislife Oct 2015 #136

No. The people that did Gman Oct 2015 #165

Hillary voted for Nader? GummyBearz Oct 2015 #169

No it isn't. artislife Oct 2015 #170

Had Nader not run, 9/11 would have never happened Gman Oct 2015 #171

How about all those Dems artislife Oct 2015 #173

But it wasn't even a fair vote count Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #187

All this, and yet the blame goes to Nader... artislife Oct 2015 #188

So now Nader is responsible not only for the Bush stranger81 Oct 2015 #191

Not just now. I've been saying this Gman Oct 2015 #197

I didn't realize that Nader voted yea on IWR.. frylock Oct 2015 #194

It's becoming increasingly clear that many Sanders supporters have a problem with Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #3

Delgates are the not same as voters. bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #19

delegates are awarded based on caucus and primary vote tallies. nt Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #104

You need delegates to secure the nomination......... Historic NY Oct 2015 #205

I feel the whole delegate thing was intentional bkkyosemite Nov 2015 #225

IKR? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #102

Excellent point.... FarPoint Oct 2015 #128

Advocating against democracy? Fearless Oct 2015 #223

I think people are just tired of voting for people they don't believe in. You know, democracy. IokuA Nov 2015 #227

Really, when the alternative is ten thousand times worse? Maybe you need to look at the math randys1 Oct 2015 #4

I didn't say I wouldn't do it whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #10

Of course you do, but I am simply amazed when I see that kind of remark. randys1 Oct 2015 #15

Yes when the turkey caused salmonella to spread to all other foods. bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #20

I appreciate your point, randys1 whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #22

Why is it perfectly fine for one artislife Oct 2015 #199

is it a monsanto turkey turkey dinner? hopemountain Oct 2015 #144

So throw the victims of the GOP in the trash as well? randys1 Oct 2015 #145

thank you randys1 hopemountain Oct 2015 #149

the turkey is cooked and is trash. hopemountain Oct 2015 #189

Good post trumad Oct 2015 #18

Don't you guys get it? If people are having this difficult of a time forcing themselves to vote liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #125

Oh I get it, they dont. If your goal is to eliminate the lying , thieving rat bastard randys1 Oct 2015 #130

If it makes sense to you go ahead. It does not make sense to me. I will not do it anymore. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #133

What are you accomplishing? What will you say if Ted Cruz is president and he appoints someone randys1 Oct 2015 #135

Oh, so now if I don't vote for the nominee women will die. Nice blackmail, but it won't work. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #140

" If your goal is to eliminate the lying , thieving rat bastard politicians in both.." DJ13 Oct 2015 #152

about as many "PUMA" votes as Obama lost last time firebrand80 Oct 2015 #5

Im not sure I'm a Hillary supporter today. CincyDem Oct 2015 #7

Hillary and the DNC is counting on everyone falling in line artislife Oct 2015 #138

Perfect is the enemy of good CincyDem Oct 2015 #153

One can choose to vote for the DNC nominee or support the Republicans by not voting. I am not sure Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #8

This is the BS that needs to stop..... Sivart Oct 2015 #61

It is bs not to realize votes not cast for Democrats is not a positive for our Democtatic candidates Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #75

But it is BS.... Sivart Oct 2015 #122

Can you supply a link to that? artislife Oct 2015 #141

I missed on the percentage of 66%, it was 63%: Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #147

Thank you!! nt artislife Oct 2015 #150

The answer to this dilemma is to select better candidates. stranger81 Oct 2015 #192

It just makes me dig my heels in further. nt artislife Oct 2015 #139

there are other options restorefreedom Oct 2015 #79

Yes, Nader provided a lesson in voting for a third, did not work out very well. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #95

nader is not the reason 2000 went R restorefreedom Oct 2015 #112

If Nader had not been in there would have been more votes for Gore than Bush in Florida, the state Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #118

i care about those things too restorefreedom Oct 2015 #120

Gore and H seem to have the same problem with the Left artislife Oct 2015 #142

Nader denialism lives on. redstateblues Oct 2015 #158

200,000 registered Democrats in FL voted for W. jeff47 Nov 2015 #228

As far as I'm concerned voting for Hillary will be pointless. Dawgs Oct 2015 #9

Have you been under a rock? brush Oct 2015 #24

My explanation is Hillary. Dawgs Oct 2015 #40

Okay. See you in Nov. 2016 brush Oct 2015 #52

The problem is Hillary, not the republicans. n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #55

So what are you saying? brush Oct 2015 #60

Absolutely she does have a much bigger upside. Dawgs Oct 2015 #64

We'll see then won't we. brush Oct 2015 #70

You keep repeating what the GOP have done in prior elections like that should mean something to me. Dawgs Oct 2015 #71

They haven't won since '88 without cheating . . . brush Oct 2015 #117

I think you're both wrong. The 2016 election is not in the bag for anyone. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #108

Correction since you seem to have misunderstood. The dem nominee will win. brush Oct 2015 #116

I didn't misunderstand you. I just disagree that it's a sure thing. (n/t) Jim Lane Oct 2015 #131

So, if Bernie gets the nomination, but I live in a state where he has no chance of winning onenote Oct 2015 #35

No. Didn't say that. n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #42

I thought you said it's pointless to vote for someone who can't win. onenote Oct 2015 #49

I said... Dawgs Oct 2015 #51

So you were just talking about her inability to win your state and your decision to vote? onenote Oct 2015 #62

No. That's not what I'm saying. Dawgs Oct 2015 #67

LOL every vote adds to the total treestar Oct 2015 #184

If you don't support Clinton Robbins Oct 2015 #11

Most Dems will vote for Hillary Jan Bunson Oct 2015 #12

Rejoice whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #13

Rejoice why? Jan Bunson Oct 2015 #14

You said we could at least take pride in nominating a woman whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #17

She's the right candidate if you're a corporatist... Yurovsky Oct 2015 #168

Still think Jeb is going to become president after that pathetic debate performance? brush Oct 2015 #196

See post #24, you of the very low post count brush Oct 2015 #26

My guess is that there response is similar to mine. n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #43

Whoever that is it's most likely a repug trying to get dems not to bother voting brush Oct 2015 #54

Sorry, I don't buy into the "low count" BS that some use to discredit others. n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #57

So you don't think there are people paid to do that very thing? brush Oct 2015 #58

I think it against TOS rules to point out low posts and to call anyone a troll. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #208

I didn't call anyone a troll. brush Oct 2015 #219

Oh sorry, 'tr lls'. i wonder what you meant by that? nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #220

Sorry, explaining to someone "We have a lot of paid tr_lls who visit here . . . brush Oct 2015 #222

Wow. Jan Bunson Oct 2015 #66

We have a lot of paid tr_lls who visit here to discourage people from voting brush Oct 2015 #72

I assure that is not my goal at all Jan Bunson Oct 2015 #76

No need to blame her low post count for people no voting Hillary. Hillary supporters have done in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #195

I've got 4 times your post count. Am I allowed to speak? jeff47 Nov 2015 #229

You do realize the poster proclaimed Jeb Bush would win the presidency, right? brush Nov 2015 #239

You realize the post has more content than that, right? jeff47 Nov 2015 #240

I think I'll go with Nate Silver . . . brush Nov 2015 #242

ever heard of cathartic hypothisis ? olddots Oct 2015 #84

It will be easy, because I will see who else is on the ballot and choose the best of the available Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #16

Aren't you tired of this fear game you are playing? NCTraveler Oct 2015 #21

Isn't "follow your principles and help a republican win" a fear game? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #23

You are taking part in "you are either with us, or against us." NCTraveler Oct 2015 #32

Sorry, don't know what to tell you whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #38

"Despite your assurances that Jeb and Hillary are miles apart, I disagree." NCTraveler Oct 2015 #46

Deal with it whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #48

I agree that you are not alone. Neither is Trump. Look at his poll numbers. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #53

Lots of bogus assumptions there whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #59

Truly not one assumption. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #63

Are you insinuating something about my identity and purpose for participating on this site? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #65

"Are you insinuating" "How old are you?" NCTraveler Oct 2015 #69

Sorry you're displeased whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #73

I don't sign loyalty oaths or vote for labels. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #25

What a horrible, selfish person you are whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #29

you must a privileged, selfish person restorefreedom Oct 2015 #86

Thanks. I'll ask my chauffeur what he thinks. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #90

and gassing up the limo! :) restorefreedom Oct 2015 #94

One of the limos. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #100

ho ho! an entire fleet! heh. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #113

Very good. 840high Oct 2015 #161

It's The Young Ones I Worry About The Most... WillyT Oct 2015 #27

oh, please. you and I and a bunch of us have lived through decades of disappointment onenote Oct 2015 #47

This is so true. Codeine Oct 2015 #175

Well then they're fuckin' idiots. Codeine Oct 2015 #177

You Know That... I Know That... But Many New Kids Full Of Hope Have Not Been Made... WillyT Oct 2015 #179

Plus... "YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT" Has A Really Low Electoral Approval Rating... WillyT Oct 2015 #185

I've never pledged loyalty to any party. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #28

Only once before have I felt so terrible about voting for a jwirr Oct 2015 #30

I feel ya whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #33

You guys and gals are really doubling down. MoonRiver Oct 2015 #31

The American people are losing whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #34

I guess calling people losers will get them to support your candidate in the future. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #209

Enough to be certain that the next POTUS.... 99Forever Oct 2015 #36

You don't seem to understand national presidential politics very well. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #37

Enlighten me whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #39

Primaries and the genreal election are two different things. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #41

Right whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #45

For you, you mean. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #210

People need to know this.............. thelordofhell Oct 2015 #44

Don't be so sure Robbins Oct 2015 #50

boy are you on a roll today Sheepshank Oct 2015 #68

You and fellow centrists are getting what you want Robbins Oct 2015 #74

Just like they did to Obama? mythology Oct 2015 #97

Obama and Hillary are much, much, much closer in political ideology Maedhros Oct 2015 #127

Sanders isn't a Democrat, though. Codeine Oct 2015 #182

Democrats will vote for the nominee BainsBane Oct 2015 #56

Interesting theory. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #212

Another StayHomeUnderground thread. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #78

No, I'll vote whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #87

I'm not really referring to you ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #89

I'll do it whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #99

I have little doubt that if HRC gets the nomination dirtydickcheney Oct 2015 #82

She'll also lose the Ge - BIG TIME. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #126

Agreed - she'll lose the GE dirtydickcheney Oct 2015 #134

Exactly. They must protect their gravy train and they know Bernie isn't going to play along with in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #143

If Hillary getst the nom, I wonder how many disaffected "dems"... SidDithers Oct 2015 #85

no alterations required restorefreedom Oct 2015 #88

Wondering if it goes back to "you cannot criticize"... dirtydickcheney Oct 2015 #93

i think commenting on policies is ok restorefreedom Oct 2015 #111

I will most likely leave of my own accord whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #91

Promise?... SidDithers Oct 2015 #101

I won't promise, but it's a high probability whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #105

Or you could do what I have promised to do. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #215

Well then we won't be hearing much from you after she is nominated.... Walk away Oct 2015 #92

Likely true <cue thunderous applause> whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #96

And I'm sure we'll get the blame when Hillary loses the GE. God I can really see why liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #137

I don't think she will lose but only cause the GOP is a mess this time around. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #217

Give it a rest and go knock doors for Bernie. emulatorloo Oct 2015 #103

Thanks whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #106

Me too! emulatorloo Oct 2015 #107

You've reminded me whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #110

If you'll blame Clinton for winning, will you blame Sanders for losing? randome Oct 2015 #109

Well, seeing as he was always a long shot whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #114

I never took that pledge. rateyes Oct 2015 #115

What is your agenda posting this? You want the republican candidate to win? B Calm Oct 2015 #119

Sure, the sore losers can stay home and give the Republicans the WH. Beacool Oct 2015 #121

We have lost the House, the Senate, and the majority of Governorships, Zorra Oct 2015 #123

Most of the 83.1 million millennials will stay home and THIS Progressive will vote Green Party in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #124

I agree about the Millennials and I too will be writing Bernie's name in and voting Green down liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #129

Another Naderite. Thanks for giving us Bush redstateblues Oct 2015 #160

They will? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2015 #148

The time-honored political tradition Codeine Oct 2015 #181

Another woe-is-me Bernie fan post. Give it a rest. nt Adrahil Oct 2015 #146

Why wouldn't dems want Hillary nominated Timber4598 Oct 2015 #151

Vote for whomever you want. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #154

Thank you. I think you are probably the first poster I have seen that has not tried to blame the liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #156

The Democratic Party will lose many votes. azmom Oct 2015 #155

Isn't it funny Sheepshank Oct 2015 #157

It's easy to be magnanimous when your candidate is the frontrunner and you're certain she will win whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #201

It will be get easier as the time nears to cast your vote. DCBob Oct 2015 #159

we're not talking about the political geeks ibegurpard Oct 2015 #172

AFAIK the party loyalty pledge is an internet thing. IRL, Clinton supporters obtained Hillary merrily Oct 2015 #162

yes, the internet is a very convenient medium for anonymously bullying people. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #163

I will do my best not to even seem as though I am trying to bully you. merrily Oct 2015 #164

Ah, thanks merrily. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #166

I'm not convinced Hillary's SC picks would be anything to write home about. winter is coming Oct 2015 #174

I have been posting at DU too long. I know how the recorded message responds to that. merrily Oct 2015 #176

It's a wild card but we will see. mmonk Oct 2015 #167

Man, if you guys spent half as much energy Codeine Oct 2015 #178

Same as in 2012. joshcryer Oct 2015 #180

why feel that strongly anti-Democratic? treestar Oct 2015 #183

Wake up, nobody is buying this simplistic white hat/black hat bullshit anymore whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #204

You've got the WRONG clues -- lots of them, What. Hortensis Nov 2015 #226

How about educating yourself? jeff47 Nov 2015 #230

You think you have it tough NOW, Jeff47? Hortensis Nov 2015 #234

She's the flip side of the same old establishment coin whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #235

Oh, we were just fucked over in the transition. That makes it all better! jeff47 Nov 2015 #237

Actually an outspoken HRC supporter has convinced me that it won't matter if it's HRC or a Repub. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #241

If we throw a vote away out of principal olddots Oct 2015 #186

The real peril is younger voters staying home. Vinca Oct 2015 #193

Of course. We kids have been sacrificed many times to protect Medicare and Social Security jeff47 Nov 2015 #232

Oh no. Not this again. NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #198

No idea. MineralMan Oct 2015 #200

+1 from a Sanders supporter onenote Oct 2015 #202

What Party Loyalty Pledge cantbeserious Oct 2015 #203

The unstated, but none the less expected one n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #214

One Must Belong To A Sect That Does this One cantbeserious Oct 2015 #216

Thank gawd I don't do pledges. nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #206

I've never made a party loyalty pledge so I don't have one to honor. Autumn Oct 2015 #207

:) whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #218

I have not, nor will I ever made a "party loyalty pledge." 99Forever Oct 2015 #211

Clinton Inc has got this ibegurpard Oct 2015 #213

Hmmm decisions decisions ...vote for the good or vote for who can win. L0oniX Oct 2015 #224

Don't think of it Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #231

When the policy differences come down to jeff47 Nov 2015 #233

If Hillary gets the nomination silenttigersong Nov 2015 #238