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133. Still relevant. n/t

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To hell with it! [View all] retrowire Jul 2015 OP

'just takes a backseat to the chest pounding competition of politics of the red vs blue' HFRN Jul 2015 #1

We can't win the House without addressing gerrymandering in some way. mmonk Jul 2015 #2

This has to be done state by state. We took care of it in California and other Cleita Jul 2015 #5

Bernie will do more for this kenfrequed Jul 2015 #34

I like Bernie but he can't win so I'm for Hillary or I like Hillary because Cleita Jul 2015 #3

I like Hillary, but realistically she cannot win. She's tried before. She's lost to the populist Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #26

yep retrowire Jul 2015 #41

I think to many, Bernie is a breath of fresh air than the same old sickening political RKP5637 Jul 2015 #57

Shades of "Obama cannot win". nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #46

The line I hear is, "Hillary is the only one who can raise the money." JDPriestly Jul 2015 #63

That too! Cleita Jul 2015 #64

Don't even get me started on THAT! arcane1 Jul 2015 #82

I agree. This is our last chance. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #106

The best for me udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #4

Red vs Blue?- ruffburr Jul 2015 #6

+100% thanks! /nt demwing Jul 2015 #77

Also Conservative vs. Liberal The Rs and the Ds seem to be groups of people libdem4life Jul 2015 #122

A vote for Hillary is also a vote to make sure that the SCOTUS is not controlled by the GOP Gothmog Jul 2015 #7

what part of retrowire Jul 2015 #12

So you are comfortable letting the GOP control the SCOTUS? Gothmog Jul 2015 #20

please explain to me retrowire Jul 2015 #24

Knife to Gun Fight Gothmog Jul 2015 #49

ok retrowire Jul 2015 #53

I live in the real world where money is important Gothmog Jul 2015 #78

sounds to me retrowire Jul 2015 #81

I am spending a great deal of my time pro bono working on voter protection issues Gothmog Jul 2015 #89

"but right now I am supporting a candidate who I think can win in November." Right now Bernie is Cal33 Jul 2015 #94

I completely agree; but, what's more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #18

FANTASTIC!! RobertEarl Jul 2015 #104

Sanders vows to only appoint anti-CU justices. Will Clinton make that vow? arcane1 Jul 2015 #83

Hillary Clinton made this vow a while back Gothmog Jul 2015 #85

Consider me pleasantly surprised for that! arcane1 Jul 2015 #88

President Obama also used a super pac in 2012 Gothmog Jul 2015 #90

Yeah, Dems are always "forced" into pro-corporate stances in order to win. arcane1 Jul 2015 #91

Clinton beating Bernie would be disappointing to many. Nitram Jul 2015 #8

A Republican never would beat Bernie or Hillary. For almost 25 years, Bernie has won, first Cleita Jul 2015 #10

this. retrowire Jul 2015 #13

Vermont is a solid blue state... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #17

I thought Bernie ran as an Independent because of Vermont's leaning to the right? Cleita Jul 2015 #19

Where did you hear this? Gothmog Jul 2015 #21

Some talk radio show. I don't remember which one. It was a couple of years ago. n/t Cleita Jul 2015 #25

I remember now. Cleita Jul 2015 #31

Election results show that Vermont is a solid blue state Gothmog Jul 2015 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #27

Okay. I stand corrected. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #28

Bernie has won some tough races against long odds AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #66

Nope. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #42

Then why did the Vermonters back George Bush like Thom Hartmann has stated. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #44

HW (in 1988), not W. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #56

Maybe it was HW. He never said the exact dates he was living there. I assumed it was the Shrub. Cleita Jul 2015 #62

TH often mentions a northern part of VT that's quite rural, conservative appalachiablue Jul 2015 #87

I think Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #118

Democrats won't be staying home. Those who will be staying home eridani Jul 2015 #127

To hell with strawman, ad hominem and false equivalency logical fallacies! To hell for them all!! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #9

Oh jeez. Stop with that nonsense. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11

Bernie would ensure that as well retrowire Jul 2015 #14

And around and around and around we go.... Nitram Jul 2015 #15

Of course, but you're the one arguing "to hell with it!". No one else is. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #30

I'm simply stating retrowire Jul 2015 #36

It is a question that we can't seem to get an answer to AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #32

I suspect her point is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #70

no disrespect retrowire Jul 2015 #74

Give her time. charin Jul 2015 #16

i only fear retrowire Jul 2015 #22

What's taking her so long? Is it because she has to sound populist without pissing off her Cleita Jul 2015 #23

I think Bernie puts her between a rock and a hard place AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #40

I say good for him. Cleita Jul 2015 #43

this! retrowire Jul 2015 #52

This has nothing to do with winning for the sake of winning... brooklynite Jul 2015 #29

so "safe bet" retrowire Jul 2015 #33

Your rights? brooklynite Jul 2015 #59

pessimism never changes the world retrowire Jul 2015 #65

I've supported and believed in plenty of candidates who lost... brooklynite Jul 2015 #67

i understand. retrowire Jul 2015 #72

McGovern inspired that in me...my first vote at age 21. It's been a long slog since then. libdem4life Jul 2015 #123

Can anyone point to a reputable poll comparing Bernie to the Repub candidates? bigbrother05 Jul 2015 #39

I don't think there is such a thing anymore. It seems the trend from landlines to cell phones have Cleita Jul 2015 #47

So, if HRC does become the general election candidate for the Democrats, lark Jul 2015 #35

yep retrowire Jul 2015 #37

I would vote for her if I have to. And yes she will put people on the SCOTUS who protect women jwirr Jul 2015 #79

Going for the safe bet is rarely a good strategy, in my opinion. SheilaT Jul 2015 #38

Bernie doesn't rip Hillary and neither should you lame54 Jul 2015 #45

Thank you. calimary Jul 2015 #51

if any of my facts retrowire Jul 2015 #54

Hillary doesn't need to rip Sanders when her surrogates are perfectly happy to do it. frylock Jul 2015 #61

good point as well. retrowire Jul 2015 #68

And so does he. calimary Jul 2015 #111

hillary has claire mccaskill retrowire Jul 2015 #112

if any of my facts retrowire Jul 2015 #55

Nothing good comes from giving into fear. Maedhros Jul 2015 #48

thank you retrowire Jul 2015 #58

the scary wild card that may affect this election virtualobserver Jul 2015 #60

I'm voting Bernie. I think Hillary would be a better president. Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #69

excellent post retrowire Jul 2015 #71

I am voting ideology Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #76

thanks for clarifying! :) retrowire Jul 2015 #80

YEP! Cosmocat Jul 2015 #86

Have you tried yoga? Sancho Jul 2015 #73

yes but retrowire Jul 2015 #75

Just how the fuck does this help bernie? Cosmocat Jul 2015 #84

wow retrowire Jul 2015 #92

1) yours is not an accurate description of why people support Clinton BainsBane Jul 2015 #95

my opinion retrowire Jul 2015 #97

And if I say a vote for Bernie BainsBane Jul 2015 #99

im sorry you feel that way. retrowire Jul 2015 #101

Good post, the reasoning is great. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #113

Usury? raouldukelives Jul 2015 #130

Wall Street makes money from money BainsBane Jul 2015 #131

No, you didnt "simply state most hillary voters are choosing her for the wron reasons." Cosmocat Jul 2015 #109

regarding your last sentence retrowire Jul 2015 #110

People have been supporting hillary for a quarter century Cosmocat Jul 2015 #114

even if what I'm saying has truth in it? retrowire Jul 2015 #117

There is no "reasoning" involved with you Cosmocat Jul 2015 #124

i want Bernie to win. retrowire Jul 2015 #125

Jury results BainsBane Jul 2015 #96

democracy works retrowire Jul 2015 #98

If that were true BainsBane Jul 2015 #100

my apologies if you feel insulted by my OP retrowire Jul 2015 #102

Meanwhile, the media is looking forward to the smash mouth politics of the House vs the Clintons. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #93

Well after reading that I am still voting for Hillary. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #103

as long as you read it. retrowire Jul 2015 #105

Despite my little bit of snark i think you are just saying what you feel. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #107

of course i am. retrowire Jul 2015 #108

Yes, she is the "safe bet" and Bernie is an extremely risky bet. DCBob Jul 2015 #115

hes really not that big of a risk retrowire Jul 2015 #116

Do you have any links to show that republicans Lisa D Jul 2015 #120

You got me. retrowire Jul 2015 #121

K&R! LiberalElite Jul 2015 #119

I don't see any candidate as a safe bet. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #126

Here's the thing. If we think of this primary season and the general election as being akin to PatrickforO Jul 2015 #128

good analogy retrowire Jul 2015 #129

this is still relevant today. sigh n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #132

Still relevant. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #133