2016 Postmortem

rhett o rick

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55. In 2000 the Democratic Party Elites made a big mistake. They ran a DLC Democrat in spite of

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:38 PM

Oct 2015

the fact that the grassroots warned them not to. It turned off a lot of voters. Now the DLC or The Third Way are again going to run a Conservative DEmocrat. Don't blame a loss on the voters. Blame the loss on the choice of candidates.

No one ever said that both parties are the same, the have said over and over that the leadership of both parties are beholden to the same oligarchy. Also said is that we need a progressive president.

The argument that one should choose the bad cop because the other choice is a terrible cop is worn out.

In 2000 the oligarchy didn't care if it was Conservative Gore or Conservative Bush. In 2016 Goldman-Sachs repeated the thought, either the conservative Clinton or the Conservative Bush.

If you want to defeat the Republicons, don't nominate a conservative Democrat.

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SANDERS OR BUST! [View all] whatchamacallit Oct 2015 OP

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Bernie has republicans in his home state happily voting for him, he has crossover appeal to indies peacebird Oct 2015 #3

Yup pinebox Oct 2015 #10

Yes, and we've no polls yet regarding Bernie's crossover supporters, non registered voters, Indies sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #90

Gez with just dems for the primary go figure!! FloridaBlues Oct 2015 #175

I Feel Any Polls Taken At This Point In Time Are Being Done ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #194

So your point is..vote for Bernie workinclasszero Oct 2015 #91

Time for a New Deal tecelote Oct 2015 #107

Doing so just for that reason would be silly. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #108

Here's another point: Who'll get more done with a Republican House? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #116

Because Americans of many political stripes like and trust him more than Hillary peacebird Oct 2015 #114

Nice strawman n/t Gore1FL Oct 2015 #184

Hillary will peel off many Repub and independent women. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #15

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What an asinine thing to say. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #22

Well, to be fair... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #44

I SO agree Plucketeer Oct 2015 #63

I agree with you wholeheartedly about Bill's influence... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #68

Here you go, guys. This one's for you. Hortensis Oct 2015 #84

Thanks! nt Plucketeer Oct 2015 #118

Sure. I know Biden made it a bad day. Tomorrow'll be better. Hortensis Oct 2015 #121

That response was painful. nt cyberswede Oct 2015 #125

Just as good as voting for someone because they have a penis. MyNameGoesHere Oct 2015 #42

Hillary will lose many Independent and progressive women, and lose more R's than she gains. peacebird Oct 2015 #18

Yeah ok. Whatever you say buddy. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #20

Some Republicons are warming to the anti-corporation message of Sen Sanders. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #154

I agree... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #47

Even within the party she is despised. YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #171

Very, very few people are excited about Hillary. dirtydickcheney Oct 2015 #51

I see plenty of excitement for Hillary. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #82

Really? dirtydickcheney Oct 2015 #88

Wasn't Sanders just saying he can draw in Republicans?? riversedge Oct 2015 #166

And no "Democrat" would motivate the Repigs' cave orc base hifiguy Oct 2015 #136

And I believe she knows that. And if by some miracle she wins, the Republicans will treat SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #178

Not the Republicans women I know. nt artislife Oct 2015 #19

Mmm hmm. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #23

My R friends absolutely despise Hillary as well.. peacebird Oct 2015 #25

"As well" as whom? Darb Oct 2015 #56

Me, either. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #111

Hillary will peal off far fewer Repub and independent women SheilaT Oct 2015 #112

Do you have any evidence that Republican and independent women support Hillary? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #148

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I think Bernie will win the nomination, & make a fantastic President! peacebird Oct 2015 #2

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #96

Have fun stevil Oct 2015 #4

That's how I see it whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #6

Thats the spirit! stevil Oct 2015 #16

DU is nothing but divisive hyperbole whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #27

Sorry, didn't notice.... stevil Oct 2015 #37

Well I'm glad you've had a meaningful and productive 270 posts whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #40

Well then thank you artislife Oct 2015 #160

Pretty clear stevil Oct 2015 #162

Whoop dee doo. artislife Oct 2015 #164

Well, good luck with that. Really. MineralMan Oct 2015 #5

I'll be voting for Hillary.... BooScout Oct 2015 #7

Which one? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #8

The one who is going to be president Rose Siding Oct 2015 #73

So you don't care about policy Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #95

Your insulting assumptions aside... Rose Siding Oct 2015 #106

Jury result 0-7 LEAVE IT hifiguy Oct 2015 #138

Hah, owned. :-) [nt] Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author BeanMusical Oct 2015 #104

Oh snap portlander23 Oct 2015 #126

Laugh Track Hillary cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #159

Oh, will she catch the Joementum and run as a third ticket? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #127

Hillary will have to answer to the donor class. JRLeft Oct 2015 #9

#BernieOrBust - it's my sig line TBF Oct 2015 #11

:) whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #14

Same here MissDeeds Oct 2015 #43

Um, 4 SCOTUS justices may be up for grabs. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #12

I will. If it's not Bernie, I'm going Indie. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #26

A vote for an independent is a vote for Trump JaneyVee Oct 2015 #31

Are you using fear to hold us in line, Ms Vee? Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #46

Black Lives Matter. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #80

Black Lives Matter Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #92

So it goes. Jackilope Oct 2015 #77

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #98

a vote for hillary restorefreedom Oct 2015 #78

Yeah ok. Whatever you say buddy. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #81

i never said they didn't restorefreedom Oct 2015 #115

I also believe that Black Lives matter and that's why I support Sen Sanders. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #191

+1000 ccinamon Oct 2015 #150

A vote for an independent is a vote for Trump workinclasszero Oct 2015 #93

Nope. It's that people like you think you can hold me hostage by screaming SCOTUS!!!! Fawke Em Oct 2015 #133

The koch bros will appreciate workinclasszero Oct 2015 #145

Talk about someone who thinks that Hillary is not "holy enough" Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #158

Opps......well that was then and this is now.......or something like that. SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #180

I'm in Tennessee...don't think it matter much if I don't vote for the war hawk, corporate candidate SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #179

Tennessee here, too. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #192

Backwards. okasha Oct 2015 #153

Then I guess you better put someone we want to vote for on the ticket. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #128

Not in my state, but you keep telling yourself that. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #130

If that happens and you can write Bernie in. bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #117

Easy for you to say because you side with the Corp Democratic establishment. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #48

If only Citizen's United had made an anti-Bernie film instead... LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #72

Ironic that Citizens United was aimed at keeping HRC out of the WH, but now it looks rhett o rick Oct 2015 #109

Great term artislife Oct 2015 #161

Then do what it takes to earn our votes. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #97

You forgot the lessons of 2000 Renew Deal Oct 2015 #13

Beside her disastrous IRW vote, the Clintons and Bushes are practically family whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #21

Do you think we would have invaded Iraq if Gore won in 2000? Renew Deal Oct 2015 #32

Didn't say that whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #36

They are as friendly as any ex-president's family is with each other. Darb Oct 2015 #49

Haha bullshit whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #85

Chimpy says he thinks of HRH as hifiguy Oct 2015 #139

Who said it? Mnpaul Oct 2015 #143

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SHE voted for a lot of that crap, though. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #28

She voted for 9/11, the Katrina Response, and the Lehman Collapse? Renew Deal Oct 2015 #30

She certainly voted for the IWR... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #76

Thanks. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #110

In 2000 the Democratic Party Elites made a big mistake. They ran a DLC Democrat in spite of rhett o rick Oct 2015 #55

I almost agree. They learned well enough to run someone who talked the talk in 2008 and 2012. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #70

In 2008, I hate to say it, but the Oligarchs tricked us good. The nation was clamoring for a rhett o rick Oct 2015 #113

I was pissed and baffled when he voted for retroactive immunity for the telecoms. I voted for him GoneFishin Oct 2015 #140

Actually, Gore was fine - his campaign sucked. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #134

Actually PMRC AL was not fine and yes his campaign sucked but so did the candidate. YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #172

Whatever you may say about his campaign, freedom fighter jh Oct 2015 #173

The Democratic candidate actually won. And the Dem party folded their tent. raindaddy Oct 2015 #100

Then it is Bust for you. riversedge Oct 2015 #29

Counting chickens before they hatch, eh? [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2015 #35

for those of us who have backed down over the years olddots Oct 2015 #33

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #101

You seem to Like Sanders very much Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #34

Judging by your post count whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #38

Do you see me screaming about wanting a candidate elected? Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #41

Right whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #45

Your sensitivity is showing Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #57

Great advice. One of the 99 Oct 2015 #102

First you disparaged the low-poster, then...... Darb Oct 2015 #52

For some, DU is just all about disparaging others. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #83

PSSSST stevil Oct 2015 #170

I think the Democratic Party is all Berned out at this point. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #39

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #50

I'm with you. It's time to take a stand. Bernie or Bust! liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #53

Getting oh so tiresome hearing the "my way or the highway" rhetoric SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #54

Might be Old Codger Oct 2015 #103

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How are their college plans not different from each others? liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #165

Nope, not feeling it. I am voting for Hillary Clinton. leftofcool Oct 2015 #58

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #59

Bernie all the way! azmom Oct 2015 #60

In the corporate corner wearing silky blue (very expensive) shorts is.... davemac Oct 2015 #61

The Hillary Camp ... V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #62

I have not seen one riversedge Oct 2015 #64

Well of course V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #67

well of course you are wrong. riversedge Oct 2015 #167

just another arrogant hillary supporter for IGNORE V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #195

That's just ridiculous. onenote Oct 2015 #65

k&r smiley Oct 2015 #66

A vote for HRC Rafale Oct 2015 #69

I couldn't agree more... smiley Oct 2015 #86

Yeah, my old eyes. Sorry mate. Rafale Oct 2015 #123

Love your passion but that isn't likely. Rose Siding Oct 2015 #71

she has not been crowned just yet... DianeK Oct 2015 #75

Good luck Rose Siding Oct 2015 #79

HAHAHA JI7 Oct 2015 #74

that means Huffington Post too :( PatrynXX Oct 2015 #87

he'll yeah! TheFarseer Oct 2015 #89

K&R CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #94

I'm voting for Sanders in the primary One of the 99 Oct 2015 #99

And Hillary would be the worst. nt artislife Oct 2015 #163

Still better than any Republican nt One of the 99 Oct 2015 #169

Until they aren't. Better than any repub. Obama is pulling some just as bad as republican crap SammyWinstonJack Oct 2015 #182

That must be why Republicans love him so much. nt One of the 99 Oct 2015 #185

Absolutely, this is the time: Sanders or Bust! senz Oct 2015 #119

No surprise there. ucrdem Oct 2015 #120

Uh huh, you can't even process that Sanders is the only one generating enough hope that the TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #131

Dems don't need redemption. We just need to win. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #137

That absurd, arrogant, and visionless attitude is why we fail. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #141

Who's failing? ucrdem Oct 2015 #144

Can't tell if this is satire or not. StrongBad Oct 2015 #122

Well, you really hit a nerve. winter is coming Oct 2015 #124

listened to Joe Biden today. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #129

Pretty Much... WillyT Oct 2015 #132

No Lesser of Two Evils Indepatriot Oct 2015 #135

Damn Skippy!!! LovingA2andMI Oct 2015 #146

In that case, why don't you write in Bernie's name on the ballot? Autumn Colors Oct 2015 #149

Because Write Ins... LovingA2andMI Oct 2015 #177

K&R. I will never vote for Hillary. Never. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #147

Applause --- Well Said! ccinamon Oct 2015 #151

Lol. Lottsa luck with that Beausoir Oct 2015 #152

Baloney grandpamike1 Oct 2015 #155

K&R marym625 Oct 2015 #156

Bust, baby, bust! okasha Oct 2015 #157

Go Bernie! PatrickforO Oct 2015 #168

I'M WITH YOU nt LiberalElite Oct 2015 #174

BUST!!! Gamecock Lefty Oct 2015 #176

funny how your unofficial slogan retrowire Oct 2015 #196

Ks & Rs! KPN Oct 2015 #181

K & R!!!!!!! SoapBox Oct 2015 #183

Enough of the apocalyptic hyperbole already! Nitram Oct 2015 #186

This is my first post in a long time donnasgirl Oct 2015 #187

Even if Sanders were to be elected POTUS... SkyDaddy7 Oct 2015 #188

It is on fire, that's why they are so worried! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #189

Nothing But Bernie.....PERIOD!! LovingA2andMI Oct 2015 #190

About the MSM and we not needing them LiberalLovinLug Oct 2015 #197