2016 Postmortem

Scootaloo

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45. And the money quote:

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:09 AM

Oct 2015

“Here’s the point: If you’re asking me, do I think, at the end of the day, that Barack Obama is going to be the Democratic candidate for president in 2012? I do. But do I believe that it is a good idea for our democracy and for the Democratic Party—I speak, by the way, as an independent—that people start asking the president some hard questions about why he said one thing during his previous campaign, and is doing another thing today on Social Security, on Medicare. I think it is important that that discussion take place.”

Asking questions. having discussions.

Pure madness, clearly.

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I noticed that Sanders flip-flopped on Obama. [View all] Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 OP

How has he been "distancing himself from Obama?" Scootaloo Oct 2015 #1

Maybe suggesting a 2012 primary challenge to him? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #2

As pointed out below, that's not accurate at all. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #20

this is false, he did suggest that Obama have a primary challenge uponit7771 Oct 2015 #60

He hasn't. It's a lie. Fearless Oct 2015 #3

What about that status quo? Agschmid Oct 2015 #4

What about it? Fearless Oct 2015 #6

Sanders is running against it... Agschmid Oct 2015 #9

Are you saying Obama is a corporate shill? Fearless Oct 2015 #10

He called for a primary of Obama in 2012c bravenak Oct 2015 #11

Actually he didn't, you're lying. Fearless Oct 2015 #15

Well there goes another meme. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #30

. bravenak Oct 2015 #57

Facts at this point don't matter to FUD, that's what this is ... they flip flop often uponit7771 Oct 2015 #63

. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #78

That does not say he did not want him primaried. bravenak Oct 2015 #93

You said he called for a primary. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94

There's a letter saying he did Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #97

! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #98

I did. bravenak Oct 2015 #99

Where is it? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #101

He said more than that. You cherry picked. I noticed how often people who use certain tactics repeat bravenak Oct 2015 #104

Focus bravenak, where in that article does it say that Bernie "called for a primary"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #105

. bravenak Oct 2015 #106

Repeating a story over and over doesn't make it true. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #107

I am glad you finally know that fact. bravenak Oct 2015 #109

Well at least you're reposting a different link over and over. That's progress! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #111

I sent you a message. I like you bmus. I hope it helps. bravenak Oct 2015 #112

Nope, still not seeing where Bernie "called for a primary". Maybe if you tried posting the text? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #115

Look. I find it hard to address people who have done so much. bravenak Oct 2015 #117

Why don't you just address Armstead's post instead? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #139

I can decide which posts to answer on my own, my friend. bravenak Oct 2015 #144

That's what I thought. Oh well, it'll still be there when you wake up. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #154

Did you see upthread where I predicted a response like this? bravenak Oct 2015 #157

Since you have the time why can't you post the text from the article? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #158

It is posted in this thread already. To posts it more would be spamming. I am not interested. bravenak Oct 2015 #159

No it's not, and trust me, no one is more amused by this than I am. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #160

This is the part where we pretend, right? I love this part!!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #161

Asking you to prove your claim is trying to "force" you to do my bidding? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #163

You can't kill a meme, silly! It will be in the Urban Dictionary before long and then, enter the bravenak Oct 2015 #175

here you go: boston bean Oct 2015 #142

That's not "calling for him to be primaried". Try again. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #153

LOL. I don't need to try anything again. nt boston bean Oct 2015 #155

If one had the magic circle d decoder ring "enliven the debate" Autumn Oct 2015 #184

There was a lot at stake when this happened. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #185

And now you're going down the most inane of logical fallacies. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #96

I am not even using twitter right now. Too many classes. bravenak Oct 2015 #100

Well, that's good, I guess. And hey! There ARE worse things than twitter. Like Barrens Chat. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #179

Oh! bravenak Oct 2015 #180

What are you her daddy? For real. Infantalizing bs right there. boston bean Oct 2015 #146

Nope. Are you? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #176

"Getting Primaried" is not the same as having a primary debate Armstead Oct 2015 #118

WOW, thank you for sharing...I didn't know that. nt Stellar Oct 2015 #119

You are welcome. bravenak Oct 2015 #132

This is false, "I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition" uponit7771 Oct 2015 #62

Here ya go Scootaloo Oct 2015 #83

for the NYC interview you need to include the ENTIRE question to understand the answer fully. boston bean Oct 2015 #145

No that's not what I'm saying... Agschmid Oct 2015 #34

I find that to be confusing. Yes wages are stagnant, social issues are boiling over, Autumn Oct 2015 #188

+1 Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #51

Strawman, we're talking about "status quo" and Sanders near conssumate criticism of Obama uponit7771 Oct 2015 #61

It's a bit early for clinton supporters to start using the Palinisms, isn't it? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #73

I think they forgot which website they're on. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #82

Oh, and also... Gotta pull an Inigo on you. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #89

Specifically? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #22

I responded up thread if you want to read it. Agschmid Oct 2015 #36

Yes, and you were very vague and hand-wavey. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #42

You know I actually don't think Sanders is really "against" Obama... Agschmid Oct 2015 #43

Bernie's whole point is "the status quo should be better." Scootaloo Oct 2015 #46

I didn't make that claim really... Agschmid Oct 2015 #47

What crap. Sanders always says Obama is unfairly demonized by Republicans. mhatrw Oct 2015 #76

How dare you say such Sacrilege! stevenleser Oct 2015 #5

Is that why you're paid the big bucks? To parrot a Northwestern music major? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #39

. stevenleser Oct 2015 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Oct 2015 #121

Petty lie to stir shit and to tarnish a Democratic candidate who may have to face ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #7

Agreed, everyone should ignore the flamebait. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #21

Please read my post here: ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #25

Good post. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #27

This is false," I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition" uponit7771 Oct 2015 #64

Smells like stinkbait in here. 99Forever Oct 2015 #8

Smells like Sanders is running from his palling around with number one Obama hater Cornell West uponit7771 Oct 2015 #68

Yes. From Primary Obama to Obama is Awesome. Smart Move. bravenak Oct 2015 #12

Again you're making this shit up Fearless Oct 2015 #17

Evidence: bravenak Oct 2015 #28

And the money quote: Scootaloo Oct 2015 #45

My key quote: bravenak Oct 2015 #56

Really, 'cause you just accused him of wanting to primary Obama. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #66

He wanted obama primaried. bravenak Oct 2015 #90

You got that from "I'm an independent," didja? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #91

From here: bravenak Oct 2015 #92

Yeah, you shared it already. And I already responded to it. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #95

Ummmm, no... insufficient funds "be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition." uponit7771 Oct 2015 #69

...Is not contained anywhere in what Bravenak linked. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #75

Here you go uponit7771 Oct 2015 #77

Thank you for responding to that attack with grace. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #123

Thank you, you are my Brother!! bravenak Oct 2015 #125

That is an honor for which I shall ever have your back. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #128

Thank you. I have yours too. bravenak Oct 2015 #130

Mr. Scorpio, you, Number 23, lStrongBlackMan, betty ellen, Tar Heel Dem, Gen Xer. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #133

I feel the same way. We are blessed. bravenak Oct 2015 #134

It's as if we all stand on the shoulders of giants. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #135

We do! And will will raise Hillary upon our so she can bash that Glass Ceiling!!! bravenak Oct 2015 #136

We live in wonderful times... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #137

Only in the nightmares of the Oligarchy!!! The privileged denizens gnash their teeth! bravenak Oct 2015 #138

He has also referred to Republicans and Democrats as DURHAM D Oct 2015 #19

To eat the Democrats food.. frylock Oct 2015 #192

it IS a smart move JI7 Oct 2015 #35

Uh oh, the weather vane is on the other foot. betsuni Oct 2015 #13

*snort* Flying Squirrel Oct 2015 #24

Also, it should obviously be "the flip-flops are on other feet." aidbo Oct 2015 #37

I don't think I've really noticed you before tonight... Agschmid Oct 2015 #44

We're all on each others' side. aidbo Oct 2015 #48

That's fair. Agschmid Oct 2015 #49

Yeap, Sanders pals around with num 1 Obama hater west uponit7771 Oct 2015 #70

And because of that, Cornell West is persona non grata in the Black community. BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #156

Lest we forget: ucrdem Oct 2015 #14

+ a whole hell of a lot! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #23

heya sheshe! ucrdem Oct 2015 #26

Hugs you~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #33

backatcha ucrdem Oct 2015 #40

Ha! great links again ucrdem! R B Garr Oct 2015 #29

Run with it! I think you're on to something! Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #52

Ooh, back to the Bernie coddling, PRONTO R B Garr Oct 2015 #67

hey thanks! ucrdem Oct 2015 #173

Hi! DU does that to me, too. R B Garr Oct 2015 #181

Obama enid602 Oct 2015 #41

+1, many upthread have choosen to forget no doubt uponit7771 Oct 2015 #65

Yep. They forget to remember what they posted 10 minutes ago. ucrdem Oct 2015 #174

He always says "obamas a great jkbRN Oct 2015 #16

Palling around with vile Obama hater West does not mean "we have disagreements" uponit7771 Oct 2015 #71

Evidence, quotes, etc.? Nope. snot Oct 2015 #18

Facts? Who needs facts? jfern Oct 2015 #31

These (links inside) uponit7771 Oct 2015 #72

Every time I've seen him speak on tv, he is very complimentary of Obama. pacalo Oct 2015 #32

Bernie is very polite to politicians he has disagreements with dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #38

No, you didn't. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #50

If you really think that then you haven't been paying attention aikoaiko Oct 2015 #53

Wow. you just make stuff up . . . just like a Republican. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #54

Sanders bashed Obama and called for Obama to be primaried in 2012. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #113

Links and video are posted multiple places under this OP and still Berniebros stevenleser Oct 2015 #129

Compliments highprincipleswork Oct 2015 #55

Nonsense. Bernie always praises Obama on most issues and says very clearly that he disagrees with JDPriestly Oct 2015 #58

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #74

Nonsense. Bernie called for Obama to be primaried in 2012. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #116

Bernie's statement was very good. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #162

Bernie's statement was not good. Calling for Obama to be primaried was destructive opposition. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #183

I don't think Obama considers himself to be a progressive. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #195

I think Obama does consider himself a progressive. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #196

NO NO NO!!! Saint Bernard is teh PERFECT!! Makes everyone look like they hate good!! uponit7771 Oct 2015 #59

What are you on about? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #79

The overt flip flop of Sanders anti "status quo" campaign... I'm a dog person, kittens are uponit7771 Oct 2015 #80

Well dogs are better for some people. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #81

What a condescending and unnecessary remark R B Garr Oct 2015 #84

You think that post was excellent? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #85

People are allowed to notice a candidates flip flops R B Garr Oct 2015 #86

Is that what that was? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #87

Glad I could help. R B Garr Oct 2015 #88

As a dispassionate observer I am compelled to award this round to you. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #124

Thank you, kind sir. R B Garr Oct 2015 #168

Quanity does/does not equal quality DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #170

Lol, you nailed it again. So true. R B Garr Oct 2015 #182

Speaking of flip-flops and Obama. 99Forever Oct 2015 #102

So I guess Cornell is no longer a BernieBro. DCBob Oct 2015 #108

Sanders called for Obama to be primaried in 2012. Now he wraps himself around Obama. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #110

Of all the candidates running, he is the one that hasn't changed his message mmonk Oct 2015 #114

Yes he does... BooScout Oct 2015 #120

That time when Bernie pushed for a 2012 primary challenge to President Barack Obama wyldwolf Oct 2015 #122

"Getting primaried" is not the same as a primary debate Armstead Oct 2015 #126

It ain't the same as wonder bread either wyldwolf Oct 2015 #127

I donlt understand your numbering system but... Armstead Oct 2015 #131

1, 2, 3... not hard to understand. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #147

Your snark about my lack of comprehension is unnecessary Armstead Oct 2015 #150

Bernie said Obama needed to be primaried. Period. The disussion was NEVER about 'movements.' wyldwolf Oct 2015 #191

Well Obama is a not a Socialist UglyGreed Oct 2015 #140

Bernie flip flops are OK workinclasszero Oct 2015 #141

And Hillary's UglyGreed Oct 2015 #148

And we can shoot up the town with our assault weapons of death too workinclasszero Oct 2015 #149

Your concern is noted. pinstikfartherin Oct 2015 #143

Hahahaha A Hillary supporter noticing azmom Oct 2015 #151

Contrary to what his supporters tell us, Sanders is just another politician - and, apparently, a BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #152

He knows that he needs the Obama Coalition in order to win.. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #177

Welcome to my Forever Ignored club. nt valerief Oct 2015 #164

I wonder why people are on a democratic board Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #166

Any candidate who doesn't take advantage of Obama's MineralMan Oct 2015 #165

He said what he always says: LoveIsNow Oct 2015 #167

He's a politician. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #169

Exactly. You win the internets. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #171

But not a very good one. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #172

Heresy! Blasphemy! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #178

Trash OP, trash thread, trash poster. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #186

Trash poster? Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #187

You're welcome. Thanks for clarifying how much attention I need to pay to you. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #189

Right back atcha grumpycat Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #190

As a dispassionate observer I am compelled to award this round to you. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #193

They agree some things and disagree on others. That's not a flip-flop. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #194

Yes he does moobu2 Oct 2015 #197