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BlueCheese

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Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:06 AM Oct 2015

Can we get rid of caucuses? [View all]

Last edited Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:45 AM - Edit history (1)

Let me just be blunt. I dislike the idea of caucuses. They put up huge barriers to voter participation, are unfair to big segments of the population, are completely undemocratic, and would be blatantly unconstitutional if used for a general election. Every state should hold a primary election.

I've actually never lived in a state at caucus time, so I admit what I'm saying is based on secondhand knowledge. But as I understand it, the usual Iowa caucus process goes something like this:

1. You have to show up at your precinct, in person, at a fixed time, such as 7 pm. Just this fact alone should make anyone reject the whole notion of caucuses. What if you work a shift? Sorry, you don't count. What if you can't find a babysitter? Tough luck. What if you're disabled and can't leave your house? Should have thought of that first. What if you're deployed overseas? Thanks for your service, but no voting for you. What if you're out of town for work? No absentee ballots, sorry!

2. You go to the part of the room for your preferred candidate. Secret ballot? Nope! All your neighbors get to see who you support. Why wouldn't you want them to know, anyway? Do you have something to hide? (Actually, this is one place where the Republicans might be smarter than us. They use a secret ballot at their caucuses.)

3. For roughly 30 minutes, you have to endure other people trying to convince you to vote for their candidate. What if you're pretty well-informed and aren't going to change your mind? Just grin and bear it. Why, do you have something better to do?

4. If one or more candidates don't get enough supporters, then their supporters have about 30 minutes to realign. Sit tight!

5. Finally, about 90 minutes into it, a count is made, delegates are selected for the county caucuses, and you get to go home.

Quickly, let's compare that to the primary process:

1. You show up some time between 7 am and 8 pm, get a ballot, make your choice, and leave. The whole thing takes five minutes. If you can't make it that day, you send in an absentee ballot.

Which one gets more turnout, do you think? In 2008, when both parties had contested nominations, the average participation in the caucus states was... 6.8%. In Iowa, the target of an enormous amount of attention and get-out-the-vote efforts, the participation rate was... 16.3%. Washington had a rate of 0.9%. This compared with an average of 30.3% in primary elections. Data shows that in caucus states, turnout among people aged 30-44, the group most likely to have young children, was significantly lower than for other age groups.

(All numbers from this source.)

If any state made it as hard to vote in a general election as the parties make it to participate in a caucus, the ACLU and Justice Department come down on their heads so fast it would make your head spin. So can we get rid of these archaic, undemocratic, unrepresentative ways of choosing nominees already?

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Can we get rid of caucuses? [View all] BlueCheese Oct 2015 OP
Good luck telling Iowa that. elleng Oct 2015 #1
They can still go first, if they insist. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #3
NH would fight like bloody murder to maintain the FIRST PRIMARY! elleng Oct 2015 #5
Okay, here's a compromise. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #6
I won't disagree with you on the merits, elleng Oct 2015 #8
I know. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #11
North Carolina has the lowest union membership rate in the country and dropping Fumesucker Oct 2015 #23
I and Hillary would agree with you yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #2
Maybe. It's true Obama did a lot better in caucuses, but he won his fair share of primaries too. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #4
I felt very traumatized by my first caucus. I felt bullied. Between the corruption of the two liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #7
Yes, it'd be like the worst of Internet message boards, but in real life, with your neighbors! BlueCheese Oct 2015 #9
You said it. Caucuses do feel like internet message boards only in person. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #12
I imagine that anyone who's shy or an introvert would sufrommich Oct 2015 #27
I love caucuses. SheilaT Oct 2015 #10
That does sound like fun. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #13
Maybe there should be a series of caucuses over a twenty-four hour period. SheilaT Oct 2015 #15
I know another person who watched the kids in 2008 while her husband went to the caucus. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #16
Do the IA caucuses actually have lower turnout rates? HereSince1628 Oct 2015 #32
That's probably a function of when they vote. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #38
And I hope you get to be a delegate someday. :) BlueCheese Oct 2015 #14
I'm glad you have had more positive caucus experiences than I have had. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #18
I'd be willing to bet that the people who work the night shift can't sufrommich Oct 2015 #28
People who work the night shift, SheilaT Oct 2015 #30
I worked afternoons for 10 years. It's a whole different life than sufrommich Oct 2015 #34
Yep. Especially if you always work holidays SheilaT Oct 2015 #35
I hear ya! nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #36
okay what the hell is this shit? I wanted to research whether WA would still have both liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #17
I remember in 2008... BlueCheese Oct 2015 #19
And that's exactly what the party leaders want. Between this and the suppression of liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #20
When we get rid of the electoral college. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #21
Yes. I've been threatening for years not to bother SheilaT Oct 2015 #31
That would be terrific too. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #39
No Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #22
Does this benefit Hillary or Sanders in Iowa? DCBob Oct 2015 #24
It's suppresses the vote. I can't imagine how anyone who supports sufrommich Oct 2015 #25
I would not want to go through the caucuse process. bigwillq Oct 2015 #26
Oregon Primary vote by mail, 2008. 71.8% of eligible voters registered, 58.3% voted in the Primary. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #29
That sounds like a great system. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #37
I'd like to see election day moved to a Saturday and made a national holiday. NurseJackie Oct 2015 #33
Caucuses need to go yesterday. They are highly un-democratic, don't respect the secret ballot tritsofme Oct 2015 #40
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