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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I noticed that Sanders flip-flopped on Obama. [View all]Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)83. Here ya go
Asked in March 2011 by WNYC host Brian Lehrer, Are you considering or do you think any progressive Democrat should consider a primary challenge to (Obama) for 2012? Sanders immediately responded: Well, Im not a Democrat. I am the longest serving independent."
I think, you know, if a progressive Democrat wants to run, it would enliven the debate, raise some issues. And people have the right to do that, he added.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/sanders-obama-supporters-214636#ixzz3pZ7hbKA9
I think, you know, if a progressive Democrat wants to run, it would enliven the debate, raise some issues. And people have the right to do that, he added.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/sanders-obama-supporters-214636#ixzz3pZ7hbKA9
When directly asked about a democratic primary against obama, sanders basically says "if htey want to do it, they can, it would liven the debate, not my department though."
Your quote that you're flogging around comes from Thom Hartman's show (Jul 22, 2011), when Sanders is responding to a caller (also named Brian, how many of these guys are there?) who asks:
"Hi guys, uhm, thank you for taking my call, and just got to say thank you, I'm a much better Americna because of both of you (Sanders and Hartman), and I'm very grateful for that. Bernie, if you won't run for president, and I really wish you would consider it, how - how can we get this country back on track? How can we get a government that (something, I can't make it out) and quits running this country like a for-profit machine? How do we do it?"
Actually, it only sort of comes from Hartman's show. because this part:
So I would say to Ryan discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.
Is never spoken by Sanders. What comes after your bolded line is the following:
But I know people are demoralized. But we don't have, as Thom and I often say, is this, despair is not an option. 'Cause it's not just for us, it's for our kids and our grandchildren.
Your quote is wrong and misleading due to that. It's selective, ignoring context of questions posed to the Senator. And also? it was 2011, not 2012. Seriously if we can keep the year of Clinton's "Bedrock Principle" being that marriage is between a man and a woman straight (2013, and no pun intended) then c'mon, you guys can at least get the year of a hartman episode right.
Granted, your candidate did her speech in front of the United States Congress, and did so in an effort to deny civil rights to millions of Americans and so is a little more memorable than our guy rolling some go-nowhere ideas around on an internet radio show two years before. But you know... still, if you're gonna make an issue, get the date right.
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Facts at this point don't matter to FUD, that's what this is ... they flip flop often
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#63
He said more than that. You cherry picked. I noticed how often people who use certain tactics repeat
bravenak
Oct 2015
#104
Focus bravenak, where in that article does it say that Bernie "called for a primary"?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#105
Well at least you're reposting a different link over and over. That's progress!
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#111
Nope, still not seeing where Bernie "called for a primary". Maybe if you tried posting the text?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#115
That's what I thought. Oh well, it'll still be there when you wake up.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#154
Since you have the time why can't you post the text from the article?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#158
It is posted in this thread already. To posts it more would be spamming. I am not interested.
bravenak
Oct 2015
#159
No it's not, and trust me, no one is more amused by this than I am.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#160
Asking you to prove your claim is trying to "force" you to do my bidding?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#163
You can't kill a meme, silly! It will be in the Urban Dictionary before long and then, enter the
bravenak
Oct 2015
#175
Well, that's good, I guess. And hey! There ARE worse things than twitter. Like Barrens Chat.
Scootaloo
Oct 2015
#179
This is false, "I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition"
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#62
for the NYC interview you need to include the ENTIRE question to understand the answer fully.
boston bean
Oct 2015
#145
I find that to be confusing. Yes wages are stagnant, social issues are boiling over,
Autumn
Oct 2015
#188
Strawman, we're talking about "status quo" and Sanders near conssumate criticism of Obama
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#61
It's a bit early for clinton supporters to start using the Palinisms, isn't it?
Scootaloo
Oct 2015
#73
Is that why you're paid the big bucks? To parrot a Northwestern music major?
WorseBeforeBetter
Oct 2015
#39
Petty lie to stir shit and to tarnish a Democratic candidate who may have to face
ChisolmTrailDem
Oct 2015
#7
This is false," I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition"
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#64
Smells like Sanders is running from his palling around with number one Obama hater Cornell West
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#68
Ummmm, no... insufficient funds "be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition."
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#69
Mr. Scorpio, you, Number 23, lStrongBlackMan, betty ellen, Tar Heel Dem, Gen Xer.
DemocratSinceBirth
Oct 2015
#133
We do! And will will raise Hillary upon our so she can bash that Glass Ceiling!!!
bravenak
Oct 2015
#136
Only in the nightmares of the Oligarchy!!! The privileged denizens gnash their teeth!
bravenak
Oct 2015
#138
And because of that, Cornell West is persona non grata in the Black community.
BlueCaliDem
Oct 2015
#156
Palling around with vile Obama hater West does not mean "we have disagreements"
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#71
Links and video are posted multiple places under this OP and still Berniebros
stevenleser
Oct 2015
#129
Nonsense. Bernie always praises Obama on most issues and says very clearly that he disagrees with
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#58
Bernie's statement was not good. Calling for Obama to be primaried was destructive opposition.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#183
NO NO NO!!! Saint Bernard is teh PERFECT!! Makes everyone look like they hate good!!
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#59
The overt flip flop of Sanders anti "status quo" campaign... I'm a dog person, kittens are
uponit7771
Oct 2015
#80
As a dispassionate observer I am compelled to award this round to you.
DemocratSinceBirth
Oct 2015
#124
Sanders called for Obama to be primaried in 2012. Now he wraps himself around Obama.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#110
That time when Bernie pushed for a 2012 primary challenge to President Barack Obama
wyldwolf
Oct 2015
#122
Bernie said Obama needed to be primaried. Period. The disussion was NEVER about 'movements.'
wyldwolf
Oct 2015
#191
Contrary to what his supporters tell us, Sanders is just another politician - and, apparently, a
BlueCaliDem
Oct 2015
#152
You're welcome. Thanks for clarifying how much attention I need to pay to you.
Comrade Grumpy
Oct 2015
#189
As a dispassionate observer I am compelled to award this round to you.
DemocratSinceBirth
Oct 2015
#193