2016 Postmortem

MuseRider

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79. I will answer with something I was going to edit my post with

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:09 PM

Oct 2015

and also say that it sure feels like she is going to hurt us as much as she could help us.

What I was going to say is that she is absolutely correct with her comment. We have all been accused of "yelling" being "shrill" etc. when we disagree and talk about something because we are women, it comes right after we don't respond correctly to the pat on our silly little heads. I can't imagine there is a woman alive who can't say that. I just do not see it coming from Bernie. He is not a sexist. To some here he is evil incarnate and pulling the wool over our eyes because he is the worst of the worst on every social issue. We need to hear that but we don't need to agree.

I am committed to voting for her if she does get the nomination. It will take a huge effort to do so but I am doing it in the hopes that she holds true to women. I was safely sure of that until I saw the video of Elizabeth Warren talking about the bankruptcy bill. Now I am not even sure she will come through with that. Voting on a hope and prayer is not my thing but at least we know what the other side would be doing to womens issues. At least there is some hope with her. ***don't want to don't want to*** but I will.

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Sanders: I Am NOT 'SHOUTING' At Hillary Clinton [View all] Segami Oct 2015 OP

Sanders never shouts. EVER! hahahahaha boston bean Oct 2015 #1

Yes he is wrong. DURHAM D Oct 2015 #7

Surrogate much? grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #112

wow. the desperation grows. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #18

I'm female and I can tell you Fawke Em Oct 2015 #27

+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #50

Yep...I concur!! nt haikugal Oct 2015 #52

Playing the card is a right winger's thing to say treestar Oct 2015 #64

No it's not when it is what happened. cui bono Oct 2015 #113

This female says AMEN. 840high Oct 2015 #65

If Clinton said that she would support a law that would hold gun manufacturers rhett o rick Oct 2015 #31

wow, you should do some research. Always good to be informed you know. boston bean Oct 2015 #33

Speaking of research. Do you ever wonder Snotcicles Oct 2015 #37

Based on your hunches and some conspiracy you've dreamt up, you find me hypocritical.... ok... nt boston bean Oct 2015 #39

I'm not saying you are hypocritical, and where is there a conspiracy? nt edited spelling Snotcicles Oct 2015 #40

The fact she is in with the Waltons DonCoquixote Oct 2015 #92

I am guessing that means there is not such thing. You are trying to hold Sen Sanders rhett o rick Oct 2015 #91

You bring up Hill's lame DOMA excuse to defend her gender-baiting with a half a quote? Blue State Bandit Oct 2015 #100

As a feminist, I am angry that she is going around azmom Oct 2015 #2

Yup. That gender card has been played early and often, and, as a woman, all I can say is that this djean111 Oct 2015 #5

I used to have a little bit of respect for her, but azmom Oct 2015 #8

+1.nt Snotcicles Oct 2015 #9

LOL, gender card. No feminist I know of uses that dirty canard. nt boston bean Oct 2015 #12

Oh please, I 'm a latina with a gender card and azmom Oct 2015 #15

LOL. nt boston bean Oct 2015 #16

+1.nt Snotcicles Oct 2015 #17

right. treestar Oct 2015 #116

Yes - we do use it when it's warranted. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #28

Let me see if I can guess your point. Because you believe that no feminist uses the term "gender rhett o rick Oct 2015 #32

feminists don't usually use sexist/misognyistic perjoratives against themselves or other women. boston bean Oct 2015 #35

But maybe not all feminists agree that "gender card" is a "sexist/misognyistic perjorative". rhett o rick Oct 2015 #61

I wrote what I meant. nt boston bean Oct 2015 #68

"Playing the gender/race card" is a right winger's treestar Oct 2015 #118

It's not true that "only right wingers use that language." That appears to be an rhett o rick Oct 2015 #119

s/he is not describing the situation correctly anyway. It's the PLAYING of the card that's important cui bono Oct 2015 #122

Exactly so. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #126

No feminist would ever accuse anyone of playing the gender card treestar Oct 2015 #117

No. That is just plain wrong an backwards. No femininst would ever ACTUALLY PLAY the gender card. cui bono Oct 2015 #121

It's an accusation that comes from right wingers treestar Oct 2015 #123

No it is not. It is not a partisan thing at all. cui bono Oct 2015 #125

Yeah, pretty strange isn't it?! haikugal Oct 2015 #54

I am with you. Trying to change the focus to an argument over the term "gender card" is a rhett o rick Oct 2015 #76

Thank you!! haikugal Oct 2015 #80

You are more than welcome, but again Segami said it better than I rhett o rick Oct 2015 #87

You both did a great job, I'm glad you linked to Segami's post! haikugal Oct 2015 #89

Oh, I see, so Hillary isn't a feminist. cui bono Oct 2015 #114

Very true. That is a right winger thing to say treestar Oct 2015 #115

Not true at all. Why would calling someone out for playing the card be a right winger thing to say? cui bono Oct 2015 #124

pretty sad, actually....... restorefreedom Oct 2015 #20

That woman sold her soul a looooong time ago. azmom Oct 2015 #22

a shell that the mic, msm, and 1% restorefreedom Oct 2015 #23

It's tragic really. Let's work as hard as azmom Oct 2015 #26

oh yes, that is a goal worth working for! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #43

"playing the female card is just another tool to get her power" MuseRider Oct 2015 #67

yes, if it is like this now restorefreedom Oct 2015 #70

I will answer with something I was going to edit my post with MuseRider Oct 2015 #79

well i respect your choice to make that hard vote restorefreedom Oct 2015 #106

The great thing about this country MuseRider Oct 2015 #107

i guess there is not often an "easy" vote for many of us restorefreedom Oct 2015 #108

I just have to respond once more to you, MuseRider Oct 2015 #110

what you said. ...we all gotta go with our conscience. and i was for dennis too! :) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #111

Its the Clinton way... Segami Oct 2015 #10

Yup. Why I'll never support her. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #36

This. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #13

^^ This, so very much. n/t winter is coming Oct 2015 #45

Well said. My feelings exactly. nt Zorra Oct 2015 #47

! MuseRider Oct 2015 #81

Well said. historylovr Oct 2015 #101

I'M NOT SHOUTING NuclearDem Oct 2015 #3

Perfect... SidDithers Oct 2015 #102

The right answers. mmonk Oct 2015 #4

I'm glad Bernie set the record straight. Some people have no respect for the truth. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #6

"Sanders criticized the "shouting" from both sides " bunnies Oct 2015 #11

I agree. I heard how he presented it in the context that it was presented. She is twisting. glinda Oct 2015 #44

He's lying. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #14

No. He's not. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #29

The point is to get people discussing whether or not Sanders is sexist, make him deny it. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #34

OTOH, people who see it as bogus will likely distrust anything that comes out of the mouths winter is coming Oct 2015 #48

She's got idiots on her campaign. azmom Oct 2015 #51

Concerning the tactic--it serves to intimidate Bernie, and by example O'Malley, TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #53

Dirty, dirty politics that does nothing to benefit America or it's people. nt haikugal Oct 2015 #58

For some, it's about the winning, and not what you do with the win. winter is coming Oct 2015 #69

Exactly..they have nothing of value to offer other than winning at all costs. haikugal Oct 2015 #72

Thing is, as a democratic socialist, Bernie's already been called everything but late for supper. winter is coming Oct 2015 #66

in other words DonCoquixote Oct 2015 #95

Yes. Just plant the seed, put it out there. It doesn't have to have merit. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #98

Don�t you just love these �Nah-ah� responses? dorkzilla Oct 2015 #73

I have a picture of fingers in ears and eyes closed. Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #96

That�s about the size of it... dorkzilla Oct 2015 #99

But didn't you hear? cui bono Oct 2015 #120

I agree. zappaman Oct 2015 #19

Imagine if Sanders had turned Hillary's "arm waving" comment into anti-semitism. pa28 Oct 2015 #21

It's a damn shame. She has no respect azmom Oct 2015 #24

Good point. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #46

He is part right and part wrong dsc Oct 2015 #25

I heard it a different way. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #62

One of the stupidest, most nonsensical attacks I've ever seen. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #30

I agree, Bernie is not 'shouting at anyone'. This is just his style of speaking, he has always Sunlei Oct 2015 #38

It is indeed "just his style of speaking," and he should really work on it. Orrex Oct 2015 #49

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bernie. haikugal Oct 2015 #71

I hope that Sanders isn't as thin-skinned as his supporters Orrex Oct 2015 #74

I'll say it again... haikugal Oct 2015 #77

I like Bernies style too, reminds me of my family. My dream is that.... Sunlei Oct 2015 #82

Right, right. Orrex Oct 2015 #83

You couldn't be more dismissive? haikugal Oct 2015 #86

Please show me where I claimed that Sanders made that statement. Orrex Oct 2015 #90

Reminds me of the "Dean Scream" touted by Duval Oct 2015 #63

And she�s lived in New York long enough to know that�s how most of us speak dorkzilla Oct 2015 #75

If NY's 29 electoral votes are all he needs for the election, then he's set Orrex Oct 2015 #85

I don�t think it will be an issue dorkzilla Oct 2015 #93

Sure. Orrex Oct 2015 #103

Right. Thin-skinned. Got it. She�s already saying �he�s picking on me!" dorkzilla Oct 2015 #104

Please provide a citation for that quote, or else admit that you're making shit up. Orrex Oct 2015 #105

In all caps... SidDithers Oct 2015 #41

The irony lol GusBob Oct 2015 #60

And we go for the distraction, "Hey look the OP used caps" rhett o rick Oct 2015 #97

omg retrowire Oct 2015 #42

Clinton's ridiculous focus-group attack on Bernie: DrBulldog Oct 2015 #55

If Bernie is sexist . . . DrBulldog Oct 2015 #56

After Reading This Thread 108vcd Oct 2015 #57

Interesting use of "caste" in your sexist declaration Orrex Oct 2015 #88

"taking words and misapplying them" Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #59

She wants a mud fight. Juicy_Bellows Oct 2015 #78

Indeed. nt haikugal Oct 2015 #84

More sleazy politics from Clinton. She is good at it. Vattel Oct 2015 #94

"I think what the secretary is doing there is taking words and misapplying them," Armstead Oct 2015 #109