2016 Postmortem

MohRokTah

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20. Everything youve described took DECADES ti implement.

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:18 PM

Oct 2015

In the case of women's suffrage and emancipation, nearly a century each.

Things do not happen overnight in politics. Expecting Sanders to waltz into the White House and magically implement single payer is the height of political naivete.

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Hillary supporters keep telling me we won't have single payer in America anytime soon [View all] think Oct 2015 OP

Ditto for Sanders. brooklynite Oct 2015 #1

He at least will try RobertEarl Oct 2015 #4

No, he won't even try. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #27

Well then, I guess it doesnlt matter who is preident. meybe we should just turn over the keys... Armstead Oct 2015 #41

It does, they have to be for it treestar Oct 2015 #81

Exactly that. Hillary and her supporters are only about sure things Scootaloo Oct 2015 #9

They are chickens RobertEarl Oct 2015 #12

A Turd Wayer would settle for an initial offer of one slice hifiguy Oct 2015 #46

Just asking does not get you anywhere treestar Oct 2015 #83

What I learned in law school and clerking for two very smart judges hifiguy Oct 2015 #84

So what does "trying" consist of? treestar Oct 2015 #80

We elect leaders that are willing to fight for it. You know like Canada, England, Germany, France think Oct 2015 #5

If Sanders attempted to fight for single payer with a GOP house, he's an even bigger FOOL MohRokTah Oct 2015 #10

You still envision a GOP house. That may be. but if your vision already includes such things then of think Oct 2015 #13

A GOP controlled House is guaranteed, regardless. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #16

That poster doesn't know what they want artislife Oct 2015 #39

I envision a Republican House because every Democratic candidate says there'll be one... brooklynite Oct 2015 #59

He already did RobertEarl Oct 2015 #15

The politically naive astound me. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #17

You astound yourself? RobertEarl Oct 2015 #24

Are you repeating something that was said to you? nt artislife Oct 2015 #40

Parliamentary systems treestar Oct 2015 #66

There will always be plenty of excuses as to why America CAN'T do it. think Oct 2015 #70

You have not, however, addressed the difference between our system treestar Oct 2015 #76

So what if they have a different system. Does that mean we should just settle for think Oct 2015 #77

Who is arguing that? No one. treestar Oct 2015 #78

So you're saying that it's better to not to try changing things.... daleanime Oct 2015 #28

Vermont. Couldn't. Pass. It. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #2

They did pass it. LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #6

Once again JV is wrong RobertEarl Oct 2015 #25

Bernie isn't the Governor of Vermont pinebox Oct 2015 #8

Oh they know it. Krytan11c Oct 2015 #19

I don't ignore it at all. LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #34

They keep telling us lots of nonsense. It's azmom Oct 2015 #3

Indeed. They keep telling me what CAN'T be done. That's not the kind of leadership I want... think Oct 2015 #11

The same was said about emancipation, women's suffrage, the 40hour work week, and scores of other Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #14

Everything youve described took DECADES ti implement. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #20

No kidding. So, do we vote for someone who will promote it or someone who will settle for less? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #21

Obviously, we settle for moving the ACA towards single payer. Baby steps. That's how this works. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #23

When I was in the military I didn't notice the MPs doing much of anything Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #30

I love that Thomas Paine quote Armstead Oct 2015 #42

You should let Hillary know what she was promoting. enlightenment Oct 2015 #32

After reading that, I'm sure confused Armstead Oct 2015 #43

No, I don't most likely because of such thing was in her proposal. Not in this dimension. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #71

How many people have to die hifiguy Oct 2015 #85

That makes no difference whatsoever. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #86

I hope you can live with yourself. hifiguy Oct 2015 #87

That's just too bad. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #88

Whatever. hifiguy Oct 2015 #89

TRYING is INEXCUSABLE!! MohRokTah Oct 2015 #90

Bye now. hifiguy Oct 2015 #91

Wasted time on issues that cannot be advanced... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #92

Looks like they'll kick back and settle. They'll let Bernie do all the heavy lifting and then think Oct 2015 #29

Yep. The Go Along to Get Along wing of the party usually tells us it can't be done. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #31

Bernie has never sponsored "heavy lifting" policy Sheepshank Oct 2015 #33

A politician can do both but treestar Oct 2015 #68

The British nhs was implemented in two years. Medicare took less than that. Doctor_J Oct 2015 #44

This is not the UK. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #53

It depends on the situation sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #18

I support them BOTH, & I'll tell you-The RW doesn't want Americans to have single payer Sunlei Oct 2015 #22

And neither does Mrs Clinton Doctor_J Oct 2015 #38

Some of them will take credit for it if it ever does come to pass. stillwaiting Oct 2015 #26

yeah like Vermont has. you know Vermont where Bernie's been a politicians for decades lol nt msongs Oct 2015 #35

Laughing at America's inability to ensure healthcare coverage is Hilarious! think Oct 2015 #36

Just FYI, Sen. Sanders is a US legislator, not a Vermont State legislator. Zorra Oct 2015 #47

why doesn't hill2016 Oct 2015 #48

he serves at a FEDERAL LEVEL restorefreedom Oct 2015 #54

does he have any influence over hill2016 Oct 2015 #57

he is free to share his opinion restorefreedom Oct 2015 #62

so why didn't he hill2016 Oct 2015 #64

why couldn't hillary convince the country restorefreedom Oct 2015 #75

I guess like Hillary Clinton is responsible for stop and frisk and we have Rand Paul TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #72

they're the same ones who said heritage care was a "great first step toward single payer" Doctor_J Oct 2015 #37

I don't understand. Obama supporters fought tooth and nail for ACA, but they are okay with liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #45

Of course, single payer is a good end goal. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #49

I didn't hear this argument with the ACA and the Republicans have tried to kill it liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #50

We had a unique opportunity in 2009-2010. BlueCheese Oct 2015 #52

I don't have a crystal ball. I can't tell you what year Medicare for all will be passed. You may be liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #55

You want single payer? MrWendel Oct 2015 #51

Single Payer must be initiated on the House. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #56

Naysaying is so yesterday. We'll never have it if no one fights for it. I'm thankful think Oct 2015 #58

The coattails argument has no basis in current political reality. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #63

HC was THE issue back in 2007 but the insurance and pharma companies were handed ... slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #60

You think Speaker Ryan would allow it to come to the floor???????????? Historic NY Oct 2015 #61

Not until you can get a Congress that will pass it treestar Oct 2015 #65

if we do away with our democratic system and elect a king/queen La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #67

If you don't fight for it and don't promote it of course it will NEVER happen. think Oct 2015 #69

It's not happening unless we can turn congress around with supermajorities Renew Deal Oct 2015 #73

It will never happen if no one is willing to take the lead and fight for it. Hillary so far shows no think Oct 2015 #74

WE have to elect the Congress. treestar Oct 2015 #79

Telling us what we "can't" do usually comes from Republicans. Vinca Oct 2015 #82

Trouble is, I want single payer NOW. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #93