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111. This lesbian agrees with you.

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"Some are trying to rewrite history" on Defense of Marriage Act [View all] portlander23 Oct 2015 OP

DOMA was ugly bullshit unconstitutional law. I expect presidents to know the constitution. CBGLuthier Oct 2015 #1

DOMA was liberal at the time lewebley3 Oct 2015 #62

What was liberal about letting states not recognize marriages. Are you thinking of DADT? CBGLuthier Oct 2015 #64

It was politically not possible to push for same sex marriage in the 90's lewebley3 Oct 2015 #68

"Some are trying to rewrite history" on Defense of Marriage Act beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #71

No, Same sex marriage only had a chance after California's decisions lewebley3 Oct 2015 #92

Why did your candidate oppose it until 2013 then? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #93

The country was not ready: Bill and Hillary are not ones to talk about marriage lewebley3 Oct 2015 #94

Sure looks like she talked about it to me: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #95

She is speaking of marriage, not lecturing about her own marriage lewebley3 Oct 2015 #97

So she did oppose it. Thank you, they weren't in favour of it in 1996. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #98

What difference does it make: The Clintons are not single issue people lewebley3 Oct 2015 #102

Wtf are "GAP people"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #103

And they have help from bloggers Fairgo Oct 2015 #117

In other words Rilgin Oct 2015 #114

Both Clintons supported civil unions, though. okasha Oct 2015 #106

Yes, the Clinton's went through the same path as most American's lewebley3 Oct 2015 #108

US Miltary had a no tolence of any king toward gays: lewebley3 Oct 2015 #91

The threat of an anti-gay amendment to the Constitution was very real Rose Siding Oct 2015 #77

Are you sure? portlander23 Oct 2015 #80

Yes. That was the reason for DOMA, to head off that Constitutional amendment. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #113

I will say this. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #2

I agree portlander23 Oct 2015 #6

I agree with your second paragraph completely. A Simple Game Oct 2015 #18

Problem reflects the larger problem with her Armstead Oct 2015 #26

This is the same man who ... BooScout Oct 2015 #3

please....he is a better dem than most restorefreedom Oct 2015 #11

He's more of a Democrat than anybody else in the party pinebox Oct 2015 #53

He was also on the "Marriage is an issue for the STATES" bus, too. MADem Oct 2015 #60

I hope you don't mind me parking this, admittedly, off-topic question ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #4

It's perfectly democratic Kentonio Oct 2015 #8

Ah, "benevolent dictatorship." okasha Oct 2015 #87

Not at all, that's what the checks and balances in the system are there to prevent. Kentonio Oct 2015 #89

I agree portlander23 Oct 2015 #9

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #13

Don't you think it nice to know where a candidate stands on the major issues of the day? A Simple Game Oct 2015 #23

I really don't care where a candidate stood on any issue ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #30

And we can just take our chances on where they stand tomorrow? A Simple Game Oct 2015 #45

That's not what I've been saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #63

Same story with the supreme court portlander23 Oct 2015 #27

The preferred course is that a candidate make their principles clear when they run Armstead Oct 2015 #31

There was a similar meme about Hillary's two flag "desecration" bills. merrily Oct 2015 #5

The flag amendment failed by one vote in the Senate dsc Oct 2015 #14

And? merrily Oct 2015 #20

really? dsc Oct 2015 #24

Yes, really. Did you read the post to which I linked? No Constitutional amendment of any degree of merrily Oct 2015 #33

18 year olds were given the right to vote dsc Oct 2015 #34

Nope. Little to no controversy because of being of age to serve in the military. No significant merrily Oct 2015 #36

The support for the ERA was never as high as the support for ending flag burning dsc Oct 2015 #37

How do you know that? At least, the ERA made it out of Congress. The flag amendment did not. merrily Oct 2015 #39

Ok really real slow dsc Oct 2015 #69

Don't make the mistake of thinking she changed her mind. No one knows what she believes. bowens43 Oct 2015 #7

Nailed it n/t MissDeeds Oct 2015 #10

hell yes. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #12

Bingo! GoneOffShore Oct 2015 #17

+100000000000 azmom Oct 2015 #50

She was dead right on DADT dsc Oct 2015 #15

It's not impossible portlander23 Oct 2015 #19

I lived in MS at the time dsc Oct 2015 #22

My problem portlander23 Oct 2015 #25

because it allowed skittish Democrats in the places I named dsc Oct 2015 #28

Does that require the president to sign it? portlander23 Oct 2015 #29

He took one for the team on this to some extent dsc Oct 2015 #32

We're just going to disagree on this one portlander23 Oct 2015 #35

Just 14 Democrats in the Senate voted No, 67 in the House. The rest were Yes voters like Paul Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author oasis Oct 2015 #74

Thank you for this excellent post and info. yardwork Oct 2015 #105

1% is pretty low odds to base legislative strategy dealing that represses civil rights on TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #38

I don't understand the politics portlander23 Oct 2015 #41

If it had passed marriage equality would have been dead dsc Oct 2015 #42

It looks like no such amendment was proposed until 2002 portlander23 Oct 2015 #44

Yes it was a real threat at the time. I remember. yardwork Oct 2015 #47

Had there been no DOMA there would have been an amendment proposed dsc Oct 2015 #48

But that gets back to my point portlander23 Oct 2015 #52

it did prevent Democrats from taking another hard vote dsc Oct 2015 #65

Which vote? portlander23 Oct 2015 #75

the override vote dsc Oct 2015 #82

How is voting for it twice worse than once? portlander23 Oct 2015 #84

I don't recall gay folks supporting it at all. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #49

you are never happy to be losing dsc Oct 2015 #54

There was no talk of a constitutional amendment that early on portlander23 Oct 2015 #56

yes there was on the ground dsc Oct 2015 #66

That is not my recollection nor can I find any citations for it. portlander23 Oct 2015 #67

Here is one dsc Oct 2015 #70

What do you think this cites? portlander23 Oct 2015 #72

sorry it was on page 2 not 3 dsc Oct 2015 #81

Again, this is post DOMA portlander23 Oct 2015 #83

it was written past DOMA but it was about the time of DOMA dsc Oct 2015 #85

I'd be more convinced portlander23 Oct 2015 #86

You and the OP are discussing 'their rights' while some of us are talking about our rights. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #58

I'm pretty mad about DOMA portlander23 Oct 2015 #61

Situational passion regarding an issue indicates an exploitative use of the issue. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #76

We're going to disagree on this portlander23 Oct 2015 #79

What's the point of that if the vote itself is not worthy of contempt? To excuse those who voted Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #119

I didn't say they did, I asked if that was what was being implied in their question TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #78

You don't even understand what I'm saying to you, your context is all straight politics and we are Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #118

I'm sorry you are upset by my response though I don't feel my comments about legislation TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #120

Yes, that is my recollection, as well Laughing Mirror Oct 2015 #73

And the Supreme Court cases would have been moot. yardwork Oct 2015 #104

No triangulation. LWolf Oct 2015 #16

Yep. End. thread. closeupready Oct 2015 #21

If you don't believe all folks deserve equal rights until your in your 60's and it's politically Indepatriot Oct 2015 #43

As an older gay person who remembers when DOMA passed..... I don't care. yardwork Oct 2015 #46

GO BERNIE! pinebox Oct 2015 #51

How anyone can take anything Hillary says azmom Oct 2015 #55

Again: How can ANYONE trust Hillary Clinton? AzDar Oct 2015 #57

K&R. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #59

The attempt to rewrite history is everywhere these days Hydra Oct 2015 #88

See Bluenorthwest, Dsc, and yardworks' posts if you seek accurate history emulatorloo Oct 2015 #90

Yes. okasha Oct 2015 #96

Why Bill Clinton Signed the Defense of Marriage Act portlander23 Oct 2015 #100

The state amendments were a way to get out the vote for w. yardwork Oct 2015 #101

Many were okasha Oct 2015 #107

Always a strategy to turn out the base. yardwork Oct 2015 #109

Sure. okasha Oct 2015 #110

This lesbian agrees with you. yardwork Oct 2015 #111

And this lesbian with you. okasha Oct 2015 #112

"genuinely" against the right and proper thing reddread Oct 2015 #99

That is probably the most ridiculous attempt ever to try to get out of a bad situation. I have had 5 sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #115

Lol, I'm still laughing over this! n/t sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #116

This is what I heard yesterday, but it won't work. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #121