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JTShroyer

(246 posts)
102. Bernie Sanders -- Gun Nut:
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 07:29 PM
Oct 2015
Then Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders jumped into the 2016 presidential race, he was widely hailed as a far-left socialist who would appeal to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. A liberal challenge to Hillary Clinton, said Politico. True progressives’ liberal alternative, trumpeted FiveThirtyEight. But before liberal Democrats flock to Sanders, they should remember that the Vermont senator stands firmly to Clinton’s right on one issue of overwhelming importance to the Democratic base: gun control. During his time in Congress, Sanders opposed several moderate gun control bills. He also supported the most odious NRA–backed law in recent memory—one that may block Sandy Hook families from winning a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the gun used to massacre their children.

Sanders, an economic populist and middle-class pugilist, doesn’t talk much about guns on the campaign trail. But his voting record paints the picture of a legislator who is both skeptical of gun control and invested in the interests of gun owners—and manufacturers. In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms. As a senator, Sanders supported bills to allow firearms in checked bags on Amtrak trains and block funding to any foreign aid organization that registered or taxed Americans’ guns. Sanders is dubious that gun control could help prevent gun violence, telling one interviewer after Sandy Hook that “if you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.” (He has since endorsed some modest gun control measures.)

None of these views are particularly shocking for a Vermont representative: Sanders’ deep-blue state has both high gun ownership and incredibly lax gun laws, and it’s perfectly logical for the senator to support his constituents’ firearms enthusiasm. And a close friend of Sanders once said that the senator “thinks there’s an elitism in the anti-gun movement.”

The act’s primary purpose is as simple as it is cold-blooded.
But Sanders’ vote for a different kind of pro-gun bill is more puzzling—and profoundly disturbing. In 2005, a Republican-dominated Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). This law doesn’t protect gun owners; it protects gun manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers. The PLCAA was the No. 1 legislative priority of the National Rifle Association for years, because it shields gun makers and dealers from most liability when their firearms are used criminally. It is one of the most noxious pieces of pro-gun legislation ever passed. And Bernie Sanders voted for it. (Sanders’ campaign has not replied to a request for comment.)

Because the PLCAA deals with tort law—not a topic of great interest for most Americans—it didn’t stir much outrage when first passed. But the act’s primary purpose is as simple as it is cold-blooded. Every state imposes liability on manufacturers who are negligent in their production and sale of products. If I crash my Prius because its accelerator malfunctions, I can sue Toyota for negligently manufacturing a faulty pedal. If my child dismembers himself with a blender at Sears, I can sue Sears for negligently leaving that blender within a child’s reach. If I get stabbed by a teenager with a switchblade, I might be able to sue the pawn shop owner who illegally sold a knife to a minor.

Before the PLCAA, most states imposed some form of tort liability on gun makers and sellers. If a gun manufacturer made an assault rifle that could slaughter dozens of people in a few seconds, for instance, one of its victims might sue the company for negligently making a gun that could foreseeably be used for mass murder. If a gun seller sold a gun to a customer without performing any kind of background check—and then the buyer opened fire on the subway—his victims might sue that seller for negligently providing a gun to a mentally unstable person. The standards in each state differed, but the bottom line remained the same: Victims of gun violence and their families could recover financially from the people and companies who negligently enabled gun violence.

The PLCAA changed all that. Remarkably, the act wiped out gun liability laws in all 50 states, rendering them invalid except for a handful of narrow exceptions. (So much for states’ rights.) Thanks to the law, victims of mass shootings are barred from suing the companies that produced a wartime weapon that no civilian could ever need. With few exceptions, victims cannot sue a gun seller for negligently providing a semiautomatic weapon to a lunatic who shoots them in a movie theater. Even if a jury decides a gun maker or seller should be liable, the PLCAA invalidates its verdict. The law tramples upon states’ rights, juries’ rights, and fundamental precepts of America’s civil justice system. And it received Bernie Sanders’ support—in both 2003 (when it was first introduced) and 2005 (when it finally passed).

Every few years, the families of mass shooting victims take gun makers to court for creating a weapon seemingly designed to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible. Every time, they run headfirst into the PLCAA. Right now, the families of Sandy Hook victims are searching for a loophole in the law, so they can sue Bushmaster for making the gun that sent 154 bullets through 20 children and six adults in 264 seconds. They will probably fail.

"If I crash my Prius because its accelerator malfunctions, I can sue Toyota for negligently manufacturing a faulty pedal. If my child dismembers himself with a blender at Sears, I can sue Sears for negligently leaving that blender within a child’s reach. More...

Several liberal congressional representatives have recently spoken out against the PLCAA, and if Democrats retake both houses of Congress, they may make repealing the law a priority. Hillary Clinton, who voted against the act as a senator, would almost certainly sign a repeal bill. Would a President Bernie Sanders? Until he says otherwise, we have every reason to believe the ostensible progressive hero would stand behind the vile legislation he championed just a decade ago.


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30,000 a year, Bernie.

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But, but but!!! CORPORATIST!!! TURD WAY!!!!! TRIANGULATE!!!! MohRokTah Oct 2015 #1
Hillary did so well yesterday!! JTShroyer Oct 2015 #2
And Sanders comes off as an old man yelling at clouds with no accomplishments in the Congress. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #3
Such a newb. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #4
My favorite story... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #5
Nice try but no cigar: Legislatively, Bernie Sanders Accomplished More Than Hillary Clinton Ever Did beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #6
Well done! PatrickforO Oct 2015 #8
206 bills signed into law AND the amendment king! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10
Why do they even try? azmom Oct 2015 #14
Love you back, azmom! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #17
Wrong: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #11
Read the info at my link and tell me which part you disagree with. Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #12
Read my link and tell me which part you disagree with! JTShroyer Oct 2015 #16
206, read them and weep. And edit your op if you want to salvage your credibility. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #20
Why do you include amendments? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #22
Read the damned info at the link: Bill Type/Status of Legislation/Became Law: 206 beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #24
teleSUR is a legitimate source? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #29
Another lie: https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #33
http://congress-bills.insidegov.com/d/a/Sen.-Bernard-%E2%80%9CBernie%E2%80%9D-Sanders-%5BI-.-VT%5D/S JTShroyer Oct 2015 #57
Another lie. 206 bills, all of them are BILLS, not amendments. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #69
3 JTShroyer Oct 2015 #77
Nope, 206. If you count the bills Hillary cosponsored you have to count Bernie's as well. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #81
Link: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #89
Go to my link, look at the 206 bills and tell me which ones don't count. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #93
Go to my link? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #96
Bzzt. Fail. We're done here. :) beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #107
I gave you an official government link JTShroyer Oct 2015 #112
I cited the info at the link, you chose to believe it doesn't exist. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #119
Did you go to my official government link? 3 bills listed on the official government link. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #124
206 in all, just like Hillary if you count cosponsored bills the total is 206. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #128
"if you count cosponsored" -- WTF are you even doing? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #130
From your op: Hillary Clinton ... sponsored 713 bills, COSPONSORED 2,676 beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #135
This message was self-deleted by its author JTShroyer Oct 2015 #143
Sorry kiddo, but your link is NOT...I repeat...NOT passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #162
Telesur enid602 Oct 2015 #116
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #154
How would you know? zappaman Oct 2015 #156
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #159
Lol! zappaman Oct 2015 #161
So how does she stand today on fracking? The TPP? Her support of the Iraq War? The XL Pipeline? rhett o rick Oct 2015 #113
There you go again, bmus. hifiguy Oct 2015 #118
The woo is strong in this one. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #125
Some other things, too. hifiguy Oct 2015 #131
I'm trying to do this logically but they're resisting. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #138
Logic bounces off of some people hifiguy Oct 2015 #139
killjoy....the OP might have gained some traction with the braindead, at least until NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #123
Lol! Don't hate me for my facts. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #127
So, what, a Hillaryclintonsupporter is making things up? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #133
They're a member? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #140
I dunno. It's an apt descriptor, though. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #142
+1 LWolf Oct 2015 #148
I still won't crash positive threads about Hillary. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #151
Here's another HRC speech, why didn't you include it? 99Forever Oct 2015 #7
Revisionist History to Hurt Hillary JTShroyer Oct 2015 #13
Bernie "didn’t do anything to actually stop it." That is a lie: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #15
Wrong (yet again): JTShroyer Oct 2015 #18
Those crappy graphics look like they came from freerepublic, and they don't count. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #21
Bernie Sanders funded the Iraq War. Period. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #23
Bernie voted and spoke out against the war your candidate wanted and voted for. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #27
And Bernie funded it. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #34
Yes, he gets credit for voting and speaking out against it, thank you. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37
I never denied he gets credit for voting against it!?!? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #45
Your words: "yet didn’t do anything to actually stop it." beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #51
He knew the authorization would pass, though? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #66
How many dead because of the IWR that Hillary voted for? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #68
90 gun deaths a day. Thanks Bernie for allowing gun manufactures to be exempt from liability. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #72
How did the PLCAA legislation kill people? And how many Iraqi kids died? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #83
It stripped citizens of their power to hold the gun manufactures accountable JTShroyer Oct 2015 #95
How does that kill people? Explain it without repeating talking points. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #99
Just because you don't accept my answer: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #101
You are not allowed to cut and paste entire articles, you've been told this before. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #103
You aren't my boss and are acting like a bully by flooding my post with harassment: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #110
It's a copyright violation to post the entire article. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #114
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #120
Did you want him to abandon our troops after Hillary got them sent there? think Oct 2015 #32
Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #42
Hillary made vets artislife Oct 2015 #40
This! Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #55
+10000000 azmom Oct 2015 #60
+10000000 beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #67
Hillary fought for healthcare for vets JTShroyer Oct 2015 #78
I do. artislife Oct 2015 #82
Then don't vote for her JTShroyer Oct 2015 #90
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #155
Bernie funded the troops after Hillary's vote helped put them in harms way. Autumn Oct 2015 #91
Are you a pacifist? If you support azmom Oct 2015 #26
That's really not fair RandySF Oct 2015 #59
This. Beartracks Oct 2015 #163
LOL She was duped by Bush. azmom Oct 2015 #19
Bernie created a country where 90 people die a day from gun violence. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #25
How did he do that? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #28
Voting against the Brady Bill 5 times. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #31
And it passed anyway. How many people died because of the PLCAA? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #35
So glad PRESIDENT CLINTON signed the Brady Bill into law. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #38
So Bernie wasn't responsible for those deaths. Thank you for admitting it! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #43
Yes. Bernie was responsbile. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #49
How? You just said the Brady Bill passed so he's not responsible. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52
The Brady Bill still exists? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #58
You said Bill signed it into law, so his votes against it didn't kill anyone. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #65
Bernie made gun manufactures exempt from liability and has consistently supported the NRA until now: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #75
No he didn't that's another lie. And how many dead Iraqi children paid for her position? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #79
More Americans have died from gun violence than in Iraq -- 30,000 a year -- thanks Bernie JTShroyer Oct 2015 #85
Another lie: Bernie consistently voted for assault weapon bans and background checks. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #86
You don't care about the dead Iraqis and soldiers? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #88
Bernie has consistently been pro-gun throughout most of his career JTShroyer Oct 2015 #92
A lie: Bernie Sanders’ critics misfire: The Vermont senator’s gun record is better than it looks beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #97
Bernie Sanders -- Gun Nut: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #102
The author of the article is a moron, and again, stop posting the entire article. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #106
I gave you an answer -- you call the article's author a "moron": JTShroyer Oct 2015 #117
According to the definition, Hillary is more of a gun nut than Bernie: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #121
Hillary has always been in favor of hunters and is CURRENTLY in favor of hunters. WTF? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #126
So she's a gun nut according to the definition? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #129
When did Hillary vote against the Brady Bill 5 times or give immunity to the gun industry? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #132
Does she fit the definition of a "gun nut" or not? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #136
Even Obama called Hillary Annie Oakley.nt artislife Oct 2015 #44
And how many people did Annie Oakley kill? okasha Oct 2015 #108
Hillary? artislife Oct 2015 #111
Annie Oakly. okasha Oct 2015 #134
She voted to give Bush the power to go to war. Many people knew better. Armstead Oct 2015 #41
Revisionist? 99Forever Oct 2015 #47
Yup, your post is indeed revisionist history Scootaloo Oct 2015 #144
And I notice you didn't include the MANY amendments Bernie got passed in his time, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #9
Hillary's total doesn't include amendments? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #36
If they did Aerows Oct 2015 #48
Hillary's bills she put forward and passed. artislife Oct 2015 #50
In addition to: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #63
But she has cluster bombed the eff artislife Oct 2015 #73
As a brown person artislife Oct 2015 #74
Have you looked into Bernie and the funding of weapons for Israel during the last Summer? bravenak Oct 2015 #87
None of the candidates have a good record on Brown people artislife Oct 2015 #94
I go with which group treats me best personally. That way I know my voice will not be shouted down. bravenak Oct 2015 #105
I know you support Hillary now. artislife Oct 2015 #137
Meh. Support is relative. bravenak Oct 2015 #141
There is a lot of shit artislife Oct 2015 #146
When it is used against blacks by whites... bravenak Oct 2015 #147
I remember it. artislife Oct 2015 #149
This time was worse for blacks than the last time with Hill. bravenak Oct 2015 #150
Good luck to all of us artislife Oct 2015 #152
So, he's getting more "pointed" against Clinton...well, then don't Gloria Oct 2015 #30
Sitting pretty? LOL azmom Oct 2015 #39
So she voted to start a war against Iraq because of 9/11??? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46
Bush told us that, yes. He told everyone that. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #53
And you believed that Saddam was responsible? What is wrong with you? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #61
For you to be bale to say this in retrospect must make you feel pretty cool, LOL JTShroyer Oct 2015 #80
No, since that vote sent my brother to Ramadi I'm not feeling cool at all. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #84
How am I defending it? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #98
You claim Hillary's not responsible. She voted for it, she owns it. Even she knows that. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #100
She voted for an authorization bill not the war itself (HUGE DISTINCTION THAT YOU IGNORE) JTShroyer Oct 2015 #104
She voted for the Iraq war, so your slogan should be: she believed Bush and people died. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #109
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #122
alert results irisblue Oct 2015 #145
Just an example of how consituents play into votes... Gloria Oct 2015 #56
Except some knew better, they knew Bush lied and what would happen: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #62
That had nothing to do with constituents and azmom Oct 2015 #70
Laudy laudy .... 99Forever Oct 2015 #64
That's like the third time I've seen that recently. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #71
H has always chosen to go on the attack artislife Oct 2015 #54
Except her constituents were against the war. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #115
Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote frazzled Oct 2015 #76
Thank you so much! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #153
The Rabid Hillary-Bros V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #157
Yep. Just another consistent piece of whopping BS from a Clinton supporter. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #158
Vermont.... SharpProgress Oct 2015 #160
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