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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: But Bernie’s been consistent!!!! [View all]JTShroyer
(246 posts)102. Bernie Sanders -- Gun Nut:
Then Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders jumped into the 2016 presidential race, he was widely hailed as a far-left socialist who would appeal to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. A liberal challenge to Hillary Clinton, said Politico. True progressives liberal alternative, trumpeted FiveThirtyEight. But before liberal Democrats flock to Sanders, they should remember that the Vermont senator stands firmly to Clintons right on one issue of overwhelming importance to the Democratic base: gun control. During his time in Congress, Sanders opposed several moderate gun control bills. He also supported the most odious NRAbacked law in recent memoryone that may block Sandy Hook families from winning a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the gun used to massacre their children.
Sanders, an economic populist and middle-class pugilist, doesnt talk much about guns on the campaign trail. But his voting record paints the picture of a legislator who is both skeptical of gun control and invested in the interests of gun ownersand manufacturers. In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons access to firearms. As a senator, Sanders supported bills to allow firearms in checked bags on Amtrak trains and block funding to any foreign aid organization that registered or taxed Americans guns. Sanders is dubious that gun control could help prevent gun violence, telling one interviewer after Sandy Hook that if you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I dont think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen. (He has since endorsed some modest gun control measures.)
None of these views are particularly shocking for a Vermont representative: Sanders deep-blue state has both high gun ownership and incredibly lax gun laws, and its perfectly logical for the senator to support his constituents firearms enthusiasm. And a close friend of Sanders once said that the senator thinks theres an elitism in the anti-gun movement.
The acts primary purpose is as simple as it is cold-blooded.
But Sanders vote for a different kind of pro-gun bill is more puzzlingand profoundly disturbing. In 2005, a Republican-dominated Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). This law doesnt protect gun owners; it protects gun manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers. The PLCAA was the No. 1 legislative priority of the National Rifle Association for years, because it shields gun makers and dealers from most liability when their firearms are used criminally. It is one of the most noxious pieces of pro-gun legislation ever passed. And Bernie Sanders voted for it. (Sanders campaign has not replied to a request for comment.)
Because the PLCAA deals with tort lawnot a topic of great interest for most Americansit didnt stir much outrage when first passed. But the acts primary purpose is as simple as it is cold-blooded. Every state imposes liability on manufacturers who are negligent in their production and sale of products. If I crash my Prius because its accelerator malfunctions, I can sue Toyota for negligently manufacturing a faulty pedal. If my child dismembers himself with a blender at Sears, I can sue Sears for negligently leaving that blender within a childs reach. If I get stabbed by a teenager with a switchblade, I might be able to sue the pawn shop owner who illegally sold a knife to a minor.
Before the PLCAA, most states imposed some form of tort liability on gun makers and sellers. If a gun manufacturer made an assault rifle that could slaughter dozens of people in a few seconds, for instance, one of its victims might sue the company for negligently making a gun that could foreseeably be used for mass murder. If a gun seller sold a gun to a customer without performing any kind of background checkand then the buyer opened fire on the subwayhis victims might sue that seller for negligently providing a gun to a mentally unstable person. The standards in each state differed, but the bottom line remained the same: Victims of gun violence and their families could recover financially from the people and companies who negligently enabled gun violence.
The PLCAA changed all that. Remarkably, the act wiped out gun liability laws in all 50 states, rendering them invalid except for a handful of narrow exceptions. (So much for states rights.) Thanks to the law, victims of mass shootings are barred from suing the companies that produced a wartime weapon that no civilian could ever need. With few exceptions, victims cannot sue a gun seller for negligently providing a semiautomatic weapon to a lunatic who shoots them in a movie theater. Even if a jury decides a gun maker or seller should be liable, the PLCAA invalidates its verdict. The law tramples upon states rights, juries rights, and fundamental precepts of Americas civil justice system. And it received Bernie Sanders supportin both 2003 (when it was first introduced) and 2005 (when it finally passed).
Every few years, the families of mass shooting victims take gun makers to court for creating a weapon seemingly designed to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible. Every time, they run headfirst into the PLCAA. Right now, the families of Sandy Hook victims are searching for a loophole in the law, so they can sue Bushmaster for making the gun that sent 154 bullets through 20 children and six adults in 264 seconds. They will probably fail.
"If I crash my Prius because its accelerator malfunctions, I can sue Toyota for negligently manufacturing a faulty pedal. If my child dismembers himself with a blender at Sears, I can sue Sears for negligently leaving that blender within a childs reach. More...
Several liberal congressional representatives have recently spoken out against the PLCAA, and if Democrats retake both houses of Congress, they may make repealing the law a priority. Hillary Clinton, who voted against the act as a senator, would almost certainly sign a repeal bill. Would a President Bernie Sanders? Until he says otherwise, we have every reason to believe the ostensible progressive hero would stand behind the vile legislation he championed just a decade ago.
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And Sanders comes off as an old man yelling at clouds with no accomplishments in the Congress.
MohRokTah
Oct 2015
#3
Nice try but no cigar: Legislatively, Bernie Sanders Accomplished More Than Hillary Clinton Ever Did
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#6
Read the info at my link and tell me which part you disagree with. Tia!
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#12
206, read them and weep. And edit your op if you want to salvage your credibility.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#20
Read the damned info at the link: Bill Type/Status of Legislation/Became Law: 206
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#24
Another lie: https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#33
http://congress-bills.insidegov.com/d/a/Sen.-Bernard-%E2%80%9CBernie%E2%80%9D-Sanders-%5BI-.-VT%5D/S
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#57
Nope, 206. If you count the bills Hillary cosponsored you have to count Bernie's as well.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#81
Go to my link, look at the 206 bills and tell me which ones don't count.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#93
I cited the info at the link, you chose to believe it doesn't exist.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#119
Did you go to my official government link? 3 bills listed on the official government link.
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#124
206 in all, just like Hillary if you count cosponsored bills the total is 206.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#128
From your op: Hillary Clinton ... sponsored 713 bills, COSPONSORED 2,676
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#135
So how does she stand today on fracking? The TPP? Her support of the Iraq War? The XL Pipeline?
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#113
killjoy....the OP might have gained some traction with the braindead, at least until
NorthCarolina
Oct 2015
#123
Those crappy graphics look like they came from freerepublic, and they don't count.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#21
Bernie voted and spoke out against the war your candidate wanted and voted for.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#27
Yes, he gets credit for voting and speaking out against it, thank you.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#37
90 gun deaths a day. Thanks Bernie for allowing gun manufactures to be exempt from liability.
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#72
How did the PLCAA legislation kill people? And how many Iraqi kids died?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#83
How does that kill people? Explain it without repeating talking points.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#99
You are not allowed to cut and paste entire articles, you've been told this before.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#103
You aren't my boss and are acting like a bully by flooding my post with harassment:
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#110
So Bernie wasn't responsible for those deaths. Thank you for admitting it!
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#43
You said Bill signed it into law, so his votes against it didn't kill anyone.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#65
Bernie made gun manufactures exempt from liability and has consistently supported the NRA until now:
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#75
No he didn't that's another lie. And how many dead Iraqi children paid for her position?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#79
More Americans have died from gun violence than in Iraq -- 30,000 a year -- thanks Bernie
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#85
Another lie: Bernie consistently voted for assault weapon bans and background checks.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#86
A lie: Bernie Sanders’ critics misfire: The Vermont senator’s gun record is better than it looks
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#97
The author of the article is a moron, and again, stop posting the entire article.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#106
According to the definition, Hillary is more of a gun nut than Bernie:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#121
Hillary has always been in favor of hunters and is CURRENTLY in favor of hunters. WTF?
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#126
When did Hillary vote against the Brady Bill 5 times or give immunity to the gun industry?
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#132
And I notice you didn't include the MANY amendments Bernie got passed in his time,
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2015
#9
Have you looked into Bernie and the funding of weapons for Israel during the last Summer?
bravenak
Oct 2015
#87
I go with which group treats me best personally. That way I know my voice will not be shouted down.
bravenak
Oct 2015
#105
And you believed that Saddam was responsible? What is wrong with you?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#61
For you to be bale to say this in retrospect must make you feel pretty cool, LOL
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#80
No, since that vote sent my brother to Ramadi I'm not feeling cool at all.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#84
You claim Hillary's not responsible. She voted for it, she owns it. Even she knows that.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#100
She voted for an authorization bill not the war itself (HUGE DISTINCTION THAT YOU IGNORE)
JTShroyer
Oct 2015
#104
She voted for the Iraq war, so your slogan should be: she believed Bush and people died.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#109