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Art_from_Ark

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18. And that's a shame

Reply to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:18 AM

Oct 2015

because the TPP is one big Piece Of Shit "trade" deal.

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If TPP passes with support from Democrats, we are fucked for 2016 [View all] eridani Oct 2015 OP

We're all fucked if TPP passes, if we care anything about democracy, climate change, workers, etc. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #1

I agree, the passage of the TPP may help Sanders campaign davidpdx Oct 2015 #38

Doesn't it require Obama's support to pass? jfern Oct 2015 #2

If it is stopped in congress, it's gone. That's what we have to work with n/t eridani Oct 2015 #3

We need to pressure our own two senators more. nt artislife Oct 2015 #14

Murray and Cantwell both admit that most of the calls they get are against n/t eridani Oct 2015 #16

Well that's pretty much a given ibegurpard Oct 2015 #4

Well then it passes with support from at least one Democrat even if every Democrat in Congress jfern Oct 2015 #5

"fought his own party" is spun into "working with the other side" these days arcane1 Oct 2015 #64

Obama is a big supporter of the TPP (NT) Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #48

Obama not only supports TPP, he is a cheerleader for it peacebird Oct 2015 #84

I can tell you right now that I will not vote for anyone who votes for the TPP, who voted for djean111 Oct 2015 #6

I'm with you. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #8

Does the average voter care about TPP? bigwillq Oct 2015 #7

The aware do. mmonk Oct 2015 #9

I bring this up to friends and family. Quite a lot. djean111 Oct 2015 #10

No, but the people who will be doing doorbelling and phonebanking sure the hell do n/t eridani Oct 2015 #13

I doubt the average voter understands trade agreements period. nt firebrand80 Oct 2015 #61

Thank you! BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #86

If? 99Forever Oct 2015 #11

You are indeed right according to this article davidpdx Oct 2015 #35

I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #12

Which is a crying shame artislife Oct 2015 #15

Wouldn't a more accurate statement be ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #17

Have you looked at the data on Climate Change lately? daleanime Oct 2015 #29

And the TPP is the cause of climate change? Granted ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #42

Cause? No. daleanime Oct 2015 #43

Speculation. Just like most of the other horrific things tagged to this trade agreement ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #44

Speculation? No. daleanime Oct 2015 #45

He must be reading this artislife Oct 2015 #47

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #51

Those who forget history tend to repeat it. artislife Oct 2015 #56

Nope.... daleanime Oct 2015 #54

Overwhelming republican support, and few Dems supporting it. That makes it good? arcane1 Oct 2015 #65

While the numbers may have changed since the last time that assertion was made ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #67

I guess this is a subject artislife Oct 2015 #88

Yes ... He opposes the TPP and I have no opinion, other than, ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #89

And that's a shame Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #18

Wouldn't the more accurate statement be ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #19

No, I stand by what I have said Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #20

I asked a question. ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #21

Debates were shown on Japanese TV Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #25

Care to tell us why your friend is opposed? randome Oct 2015 #22

I gave you the link to my OP from last May Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #23

Well, your Japanese link above has not one reason for opposing the TPP. It's a screed about America. randome Oct 2015 #26

I gave you something specific when I gave you that link to my OP Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #28

I don't need a link from May. I'm asking you now, here, if you are so clear that the TPP is bad... randome Oct 2015 #30

Do you honestly think that all of the bad things have miraculously been fixed since May? Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #34

Some of it is good, some of it is not. randome Oct 2015 #37

Here's a commentary from last week Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #40

But, but, but, but artislife Oct 2015 #50

Please. I've said I'd prefer Sanders to Clinton. randome Oct 2015 #57

No she isn't. nt artislife Oct 2015 #58

If it is passed in all 11 countries I believe South Korea will essentially be forced into the TPP davidpdx Oct 2015 #36

I think Vietnam is already included in TPP Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #70

Could be davidpdx Oct 2015 #72

Vietnam's listed as a member on the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs' web site Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #87

I Believe it is like so many stupid things the US have done over the last 30 years.... Armstead Oct 2015 #24

Clinton, O'Malley, & Sanders all oppose the TPP. Doesn't that mean anything? think Oct 2015 #27

Clinton opposes it out of expediency Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #32

I can't argue with that... think Oct 2015 #33

It will. JRLeft Oct 2015 #31

the TPP is supported by the majority of Americans taught_me_patience Oct 2015 #39

The majority of Americans have no clue as to what is in it. Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #41

Those against it don't seem to have any idea either. Every opponent I've read can't get the fact Hoyt Oct 2015 #53

Oh, FFS Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #55

Warren is still telling gullible people that the text won't be available for years after it passes. Hoyt Oct 2015 #62

The UK Independent agrees with Warren Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #71

It will be released several months before Congress votes. Warren needs to read better sources. Hoyt Oct 2015 #73

Some things ae inherently bad Armstead Oct 2015 #59

Corporations didn't write the agreement, career diplomats negotiated most of it under Obama. Hoyt Oct 2015 #63

The majority of Americans are wrong about a whole lot of stuff. Alittleliberal Oct 2015 #46

That's no way to win an election, though... (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #90

It most certainly is not. Fearless Oct 2015 #49

Here's some facts for you taught_me_patience Oct 2015 #60

Free trade, not unfair trade! nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #77

So is Christianity. arcane1 Oct 2015 #66

Bullshit. Every congressional representative in my state says that comments are-- eridani Oct 2015 #68

I think most doorbellers/phonebankers I've met are smart enough to dig through TPP misinformation. Hoyt Oct 2015 #52

The ones who work for Democrats are typically members of labor unions and-- eridani Oct 2015 #69

Not necessarily, majority of unions represent those who won't be hurt by global trade, no matter Hoyt Oct 2015 #74

More 1%er garbage eridani Oct 2015 #75

Government workers, teachers and firefighters are in great fear of their jobs being sent to Vietnam. Hoyt Oct 2015 #76

Which is txactly what all these bullshit "trade" agreements facilitate n/t eridani Oct 2015 #78

No they do not. Hoyt Oct 2015 #79

Spoken like a true beneficiary of same. n/t eridani Oct 2015 #80

How is that? Hoyt Oct 2015 #81

Who else but a corpporatist is in favor of fucking over the 99%? n/t eridani Oct 2015 #83

I don't believe the 99% are being F#@&ed over by the TPP, here or globally. Hoyt Oct 2015 #85

If TPP passes we are royally screwed no matter who wins the Presidency. peacebird Oct 2015 #82