2016 Postmortem

sabrina 1

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70. That hasn't been my experience, being a woman has never stopped me from doing anything I

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:51 AM

Oct 2015

put my mind to. I've never thought of myself as a victim, nor has any woman I know. That's not to say there aren't a few people who believe that women are not as competent as men, but there are people who harbor similar opinions about all kinds of people, 'too young' 'too old' etc.

Strong people, and if you are asking to lead this country that puts you in a whole different category to most women, you better be able to handle these obstacles.

Men, eg, like Bernie, is being falsely attacked here. I doubt he will claim to be a victim, he knows well how ruthless the political world is and is capable of handling it withoug characterizing his opponents personally, but simply by telling the truth.

The world is full of obstacles for all kinds of people. Some can surmount them, but we are all different.

But if you want to be the President of this Country you don't need to be going around using your gender, FALSELY in this case, to try to score political points. It makes you look weak, makes it seem you cannot handle discussing the issues.

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Seriously, Secretary Clinton? [View all] sabrina 1 Oct 2015 OP

K&R. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #1

When did she say she was a victim of shouting? nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #120

Here you go JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #127

There is a belief that artislife Oct 2015 #2

It's interesting that you say that. It reminded me of Hillary's statements on legislation she sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #4

Furthermore artislife Oct 2015 #7

Yes, to everything you said. She seems forced when she talks. Maybe it's just a mannerism, but sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #20

this is not a good belief redruddyred Oct 2015 #29

I think it's a viewpoint meant to be used to teach people to take control of their lives Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #37

That hasn't been my experience, being a woman has never stopped me from doing anything I sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #70

Everything you claim about yourself (not being a victim, etc.) bvar22 Oct 2015 #80

Yeah, yeah but she is always shouting. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #105

Thank you bvar22, coming from you, I really appreciate that. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #130

"victimhood" as a concept is only as useful as how well it provides answers redruddyred Nov 2015 #170

tell that to Matthew Sheppard dsc Oct 2015 #39

Exactly. Like the "everything happens for a reason" nonsense. betsuni Oct 2015 #49

Amazing woman. Great thread, Sabrina. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #3

Thanks Polly, good to 'see' you! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #74

* NBachers Oct 2015 #5

Did you read the OP? I did state that they had met. Every Western Leader has met with Aung sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #8

The warm, close, and generous honesty between these two women is genuine. NBachers Oct 2015 #12

Really? I saw fake smiles in those pics. nt. druidity33 Oct 2015 #35

Oh my... Agschmid Oct 2015 #53

Ridiculous assertion in this fake post. n/t Sheepshank Oct 2015 #62

So did I. They're political photos. senz Oct 2015 #96

What? n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #51

no one will ever blame Hillary for missing a photo op azurnoir Oct 2015 #25

Gotta tack onto that resume and 'list of achievements' at every opportunity. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #38

Lol yep azurnoir Oct 2015 #40

I'm particularly fond of the one with Kissinger. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #58

In the inner circles of DC war criminals like Kissenger and Rove and Cheney are sought after sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #79

True! And she looked a lot more enthusiastic with Kissinger, too. senz Oct 2015 #95

Oh, yeah, I hear ya! NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #6

It doesnt take much strength to deal with those nitwits. I know teenagers who could wipe the floor sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #9

"The American people are sick to death of these neocon invasions." NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #11

Since when do YOU speak for the American people? Lol, you seem a bit upset. I know it's sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #14

I'm not the one ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #19

No, you're the one who goes to another site and calls DU members "dense as a brick ... Scuba Oct 2015 #43

Ugh, I got one look at that awful site and had to wonder why anyone would sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #73

Try actually reading ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #82

I have great respect for sabrina, both her character and her wordsmithing. You're also good ... Scuba Oct 2015 #84

I don't consider citing facts ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #87

Maybe she saw the photos of packed stadiums cheering Bernie senz Oct 2015 #97

Sabrina constantly talks about ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #102

Bernie actually cares about the American people. senz Oct 2015 #103

That's exactly the point. Caring about the American people. I can't believe the objections here to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #146

I also saw polls senz. On the issues of the most importance to the American people. I am certain sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #131

Surely you have heard of POLLS??? The Amercan people speak for themselves in POLLS sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #99

Again, you do not speak on behalf of "the American people". NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #107

She speaks with the 99%, who do you speak with? HRC clearly speaks for Goldman-Sachs and rhett o rick Oct 2015 #109

So sabrina speaks ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #114

You may be a part of the 99% but apparently you favor the 1%. I understand, they are tough and rhett o rick Oct 2015 #116

You know what? NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #121

You choose which side of this class war to be on and it's not the side of the 99%. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #122

I'm with the 99% and she doesn't speak for me. zappaman Oct 2015 #115

How sad that you are of the 99% and yet you choose to support the 1% instead of the 50 million rhett o rick Oct 2015 #117

I'm sad for you too, Rick. zappaman Oct 2015 #119

I notice that you always ask questions but never tell us what your stand is. Are you afraid to rhett o rick Oct 2015 #123

Still waiting. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #128

I am still waiting for you to actually address issues like fracking. You know where the peoples of rhett o rick Oct 2015 #134

Still waiting for you to show me why I'm "with the one percent". zappaman Oct 2015 #136

Who doesn't speak for you? kenfrequed Oct 2015 #140

Sorry boss. zappaman Oct 2015 #142

Well don't let it happen again. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #147

You object to people caring about the American People? That IS what politics is supposed to be all sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #143

Sabrina ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #144

You've been objecting throughout this thread to me referencing the concerns of the American people sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #145

What I have been objecting to ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #148

The same world where the polls deny us Democracy treestar Oct 2015 #164

When President Obama begged and pleaded with the American people to take on truedelphi Oct 2015 #129

I dont need help, haven't you noticed, I'm not the kind of woman who cries 'poor me, I'm a woman' sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #72

Got kinda quiet here Armstead Oct 2015 #100

We've all seen ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #139

I'm sorry, but for me, politics IS about the American People. It isn't about politicians we 'love' sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #150

Okay, you're on! NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #152

She can't win wth just democrats. Dems are now only 32% of the electorate. Bernie already has over sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #155

As expected ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #157

I answered your questions. Your posts in THIS thread objected to my caring about the American sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #158

Where did I say ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #159

Funny how some Democrats have turned around on corp-media now that they rhett o rick Oct 2015 #135

If Hillary's poll numbers go up, we are being denied Democracy? treestar Oct 2015 #56

Her poll numbers go up when the corporate media gushes over her. senz Oct 2015 #98

Just found out, lobbyists for the Corporate Media are working for Hillary. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #160

her poll numbers go up because people answering the poll treestar Oct 2015 #162

We're being denied democracy when the Corp Media deletes its OWN POLLS showing Bernie not just sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #151

So it's all a big conspiracy? treestar Oct 2015 #163

What crossover votes is she going to get? Repubs? Bernie is. Independents who have fled both sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #156

does she even live in the US? nt antigop Oct 2015 #168

She speaks for me kenfrequed Oct 2015 #65

I don't know about "The" American People but "many" American People are sick of all these wars and i Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #85

P.S. Hillary plays the victim card all the time. And you can't admit that then Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #88

cause gee it's not like the Benghazi "issue" hasn't been on going since 2012 or anything azurnoir Oct 2015 #30

Yeah, okay, so ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #112

I've got enough faith in my fellow citizens and enough understanding to know they had NOTHING TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #124

Look ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #125

Look you've got nothing so fall back on the weak condescension and faith in "winning" TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #132

Nance, you don't get it.... Logical Oct 2015 #153

Many people ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #154

I see integrity as being much more important than being tough. I know that authoritarians will rhett o rick Oct 2015 #108

Do you have a link where Hillary portrays herself as a victim? zappaman Oct 2015 #10

Well, are you going to believe your own eyes ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #13

Any ISSUES you would like to discuss? Like War, Torture, Private Prisons, Welfare Reform? The TPP, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #16

How about discussing ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #21

Women's issues, absolutely. What would you like to discuss re women? I certainly don't appreciate sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #22

Your OP states that ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #24

Let me see if I can disect your comment and explain to you what you don't seem to understand. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #32

Do you take yourself seriously? nt boston bean Oct 2015 #41

I see you do! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #81

Women talking about women's rights treestar Oct 2015 #57

No - using something that wasn't sexism Fawke Em Oct 2015 #59

Exactly! It was llmost Rovian. Bernie is so strong on issues such as Women's Rights, it's hard to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #68

Powerful, wealthy women playing the victim, pretending something happened that didn't is a total sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #161

+1000! zappaman Oct 2015 #86

........ azurnoir Oct 2015 #31

Hillary kicks ass all over the place ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #46

It was a big bilious issue on Morning Joe on Tuesday, October 27th NBachers Oct 2015 #23

And that's why it was such a ridiculous thing to do. She provided FODDER for the sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #27

do we really have to ask that? really? azurnoir Oct 2015 #33

so now Morning Joe speaks for you? Sheepshank Oct 2015 #63

No one is arguing that she isn't tough. The problem is that tough isn't enough. I am sure she will rhett o rick Oct 2015 #106

No link. zappaman Oct 2015 #110

Hillary is all about Hillary... MattSh Oct 2015 #15

True, we saw that in the last campaign in 2008. Same old negative campaigning, same old sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #17

Can't help herself? MattSh Oct 2015 #18

She is powerful but... Helen Borg Oct 2015 #26

Who cares? There are all kinds of obstacles that powerful people have to be able to handle. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #28

Hillary Clinton is one of the strongest women on the planet BainsBane Oct 2015 #34

Good post! Thanks for typing it out! + a million!!!!!! boston bean Oct 2015 #42

Thank you! ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #47

Actually we all ARE in position to question her strength pinebox Oct 2015 #52

OK so questioning Bernie's is fine too. treestar Oct 2015 #166

You should be pinebox Oct 2015 #169

"And YOU are in no position to question her strength" Dawgs Oct 2015 #54

Amazing, isn't it? We have no rights at all it seems. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #69

I love you so much,Bain. sufrommich Oct 2015 #55

Is there a law that says people are not allowed to speak the truth sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #60

Excellent post! Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #61

Excellent again, Bains, all of it. R B Garr Oct 2015 #94

DAYYYUUUUUMMMM!!!!! Number23 Oct 2015 #101

Thanks for putting things back into perspective. Dem2 Oct 2015 #111

+10000000etc. betsuni Oct 2015 #113

Holy Crap stevil Oct 2015 #118

Bains, congrats on a most excellent post. Amazing how women who stand up for themselves are seaglass Oct 2015 #133

Methinks thou doth protest too much. Avalux Oct 2015 #149

Awesome post treestar Oct 2015 #165

Hillary isn't up 41 in Iowa. She is up, but not by 41. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #36

How many OPs are you going to post on this subject? George II Oct 2015 #44

This nonsense again? JoePhilly Oct 2015 #45

Well, according to sabrina ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #89

Of course... zappaman Oct 2015 #90

She should get them to run for office. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #92

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #48

Seems many Hillary supporters are mistaking ambition for strength. AzDar Oct 2015 #50

Weak and feckless does not equate to ambition in my book. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #64

Truly strong women do not level a charge of 'sexism' as a political maneuver. Period. AzDar Oct 2015 #66

A strong woman would not keep quiet about such things and let it fester. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #71

Good lord, you aren't seriously contending that Bernie's remark was sexist, are you? AzDar Oct 2015 #75

spin spin spin...I was describing a strong woman. Good day. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #91

Okaaay, then. Bye, Felicia. AzDar Oct 2015 #93

...! Good Point.... KoKo Oct 2015 #83

Funny how for men both of these are seen as Skidmore Oct 2015 #141

Is there something wrong with ambition? treestar Oct 2015 #167

Sadly it seems Aung San Suu Kyi may not be all that heroic either... MattSh Oct 2015 #67

Nothing is off limits if you want to attack Hillary, evidently randys1 Oct 2015 #76

Didn't you get that backwards? The despicable attack was launched by Hillary sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #78

if Hill wins the primary, I will vote against the GOP, but DonCoquixote Oct 2015 #77

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #104

Great post. One thing about Mrs. Clinton. She is certainly divisive. EndElectoral Oct 2015 #137

Yes. Poor, weak, victim is EXACTLY the image put forth by Hillary Clinton prayin4rain Oct 2015 #138