2016 Postmortem

cascadiance

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185. Trump vs. Clinton, those against TPP are more apt to vote for Trump...

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 10:46 AM

Oct 2015

... since he's taken a stronger stance against both TPP and H-1B guest worker programs that work against Americans who lose their jobs from both of these programs that Trump has spoken out against, and Hillary tepidly recently came out "against" TPP when she's been more solidly working for it's passage earlier and being silent when she might have been able to help stop TPA from being passed by speaking out against it THEN if she really were against it and might have tangibly been able to stop it then. She's not even commented on H-1B since 2007 when she STRONGLY supported that program which screws American workers.

Bernie running would have a stronger position on these issues than Trump, and would WIN those likely 20% voters (the amount that went for Perot on the NAFTA issue that had Clinton win by only a plurality in that election rather than a majority). That is why, along with both of these candidates also not taking PAC money from outside sources that arguably has them doing what they want, people will be more apt to support Bernie in a general election against Trump than Hillary against Trump. And recent polling shows this to be the case too.

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Bernie Sanders is in big trouble [View all] Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 OP

This thing was over after the first debate. JRLeft Oct 2015 #1

True workinclasszero Oct 2015 #83

Insanity erlewyne Oct 2015 #94

Now they're probably thinking..."too many debates!" George II Oct 2015 #169

the fact that weenie brown could be bought or intimidated restorefreedom Oct 2015 #2

We are calling people "Weenie's" now? Agschmid Oct 2015 #10

well, you don't have to, but it was the word that fit for me at that moment. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #11

Keep on keeping on... Agschmid Oct 2015 #12

i shall make my best efforts, cheers. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #13

I hope you will admonish some of your co-Hillary supporters on considering raising the level of sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #34

Like this? Agschmid Oct 2015 #51

Or this one where I supported self deleting a divisive post? Agschmid Oct 2015 #54

Or this one where I stood up for O'Malley and his supporters... Agschmid Oct 2015 #57

My apologies. I appreciate your efforts and don't mind admitting when I am wrong about someone. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #62

No problem. Agschmid Oct 2015 #69

Who has called any of Sanders' Senate endorsers a "weenie?" MineralMan Oct 2015 #63

Thanks for the example of what I meant about some of Hillary supporters. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #75

The sheer irony of this coming from you is why DU is so amusing ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #81

It's really a dispute between teh CorruptDemocrats and the Bernie Democrats. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #119

well said - thanks - nt Locrian Oct 2015 #122

The fact she sounds a lot like Bernie azmom Oct 2015 #141

The fact that you actually believe this is even more sad ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author oasis Oct 2015 #139

"weenie brown".. they have to resort to that.. what are they calling John Lewis? Cha Oct 2015 #168

Holy~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #176

"Sudden"? George II Oct 2015 #174

No bus for Sherrod, he goes under the Oscar Mayer "Weenie" Wagon. oasis Oct 2015 #140

Weenie Brown? The mask is fully off. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #14

no mask was ever on. i call out cowards as i see 'em. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #18

And now he's a "coward," too? MineralMan Oct 2015 #66

ok, how about "opportunist"? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #70

Coward. Weenie. Opportunist. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #178

no, i think i have pretty much covered it. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #182

Yes MoonRiver Oct 2015 #31

I find their honesty to be refreshing. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #40

Except they are totally transparent. MoonRiver Oct 2015 #133

I never noticed a mask to begin with. Brown has done stuff like this before. I remember well sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #41

" Brown has done stuff like this before" NCTraveler Oct 2015 #48

And Under the Bus Brown goes ...! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #16

i didn't put him there.. he went himself restorefreedom Oct 2015 #21

Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #30

and that, what you just said restorefreedom Oct 2015 #35

He endorsed the democratic candidate yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #78

"the democratic candidate" restorefreedom Oct 2015 #80

Except that the nomination doesn't go to the "true" Democrat... brooklynite Oct 2015 #96

the voters should decide the nominee restorefreedom Oct 2015 #103

Ok... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #179

the party system has become corrupt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #183

People here don't seem to remember much about Brown's hstory when it came to his own sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #47

You've referenced it twice now, so tell us.. whathehell Oct 2015 #67

thanks, sabrina restorefreedom Oct 2015 #76

As an unemployed techie now, calling "Mr. H-1B supporter" Schumer a "progressive" insults me... cascadiance Oct 2015 #125

Progressive as defined by not being a proud bigot and not being a delusional anti government loon. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #167

Damn its crowded under the Bernie bus workinclasszero Oct 2015 #87

As a Bernie supporter and an Ohioian I find your characterization of one our best Senators... phleshdef Oct 2015 #17

i am sorry esp to ohioans if you find the term upsetting restorefreedom Oct 2015 #20

I'm disappointed that Brown isn't endorsing Bernie. phleshdef Oct 2015 #25

i understand. but my assessment of his motives stands restorefreedom Oct 2015 #29

Thank you phleshdef.. I agree. But, I think Sen Brown should wear it as a badge of honor. It's Cha Oct 2015 #170

Its his prerogative. His voting record speaks for itself and its a very good one. phleshdef Oct 2015 #180

Didn't take long to throw one of the most liberal Senators under the Sanders bus. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #32

no throwing, he walked there. please see #21 for more nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #37

No, you threw him under the bus. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #42

he abandonded progressives with his opportunistic endorsement and his desire restorefreedom Oct 2015 #50

And you just backed up the bus to throw him under again. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #53

his endorsement is his right. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #59

And that statement is throwing him under the bus. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #71

my arms aren't that strong, trust me. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #73

Yetl, you threw Brown under the bus twice in this subthread. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #74

if it makes you happy to think that, restorefreedom Oct 2015 #77

You can believe that if it makes you happy... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #82

then i guess he is not as progressive as i always thought. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #85

Either that, or you may want to reassess your own positions. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #86

that would be a good thread restorefreedom Oct 2015 #90

Sanders doesn't enjoy anywhere near that level of support. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #93

there will only be one way we will know restorefreedom Oct 2015 #100

It's all over already. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #101

real believer in the power of the vote, i see. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #106

Yes, I am. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #111

how about we look at obama v clinton 2008? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #114

Look, I've met Obama MohRokTah Oct 2015 #132

. BootinUp Oct 2015 #134

they are very different. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #144

Sanders is just another crappy politician. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #148

it depends on who else his supporters vote for restorefreedom Oct 2015 #149

No, really, it doesn't. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #150

Ifit is already over, we should just abandon democracy and declare Hillary Queen. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2015 #121

Well, Sanders should see the writing on the wall and just drop out... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #130

Yeah! Hillary was in the race forever in 2008 Gore1FL Oct 2015 #142

She still could have pulled it out all the way into May. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #147

When did Hillary clinch? Gore1FL Oct 2015 #165

She actually had a damned good chance of winning... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #166

How do you know Sanders doesn't have a chance? Gore1FL Oct 2015 #186

You're kidding, right? MohRokTah Oct 2015 #187

No I am not kidding. I cannot foretell the future. Gore1FL Oct 2015 #191

I am getting pretty upset at supporters of Bernie throwing bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #137

I haven't seen Sanders supporters doing that. Gore1FL Oct 2015 #188

Weak. Now you resort to calling a progressive legislator a "weenie" MineralMan Oct 2015 #60

your prerogative restorefreedom Oct 2015 #110

or you could say he's a pragmatist interested in party unity. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #129

i think he is a pragmatist restorefreedom Oct 2015 #143

Too late really. MineralMan Oct 2015 #158

i am not the one who has a problem with it restorefreedom Oct 2015 #159

i respect your ever present civility, and i have one more thing to say restorefreedom Oct 2015 #161

As a Bernie supporter, I object to Sherrod Brown being called a weenie Dems to Win Oct 2015 #68

i agreed upthread to change it to "opportunist." restorefreedom Oct 2015 #79

That's the truth. Amen. 840high Oct 2015 #104

wow, someone not here to tell me i just threw brown under the bus restorefreedom Oct 2015 #108

Who is "weenie brown"? George II Oct 2015 #171

You insult Senator Sherrod Brown? sheshe2 Oct 2015 #175

by supporting a corporate owned right of center hawk, restorefreedom Oct 2015 #184

He knew going in HassleCat Oct 2015 #3

This is EXACTLY why his fellow politicians won't endorse him. Shadowflash Oct 2015 #89

Very true HassleCat Oct 2015 #92

He was in it for fame and fortune. George II Oct 2015 #172

It's the Democratic Party, and the Middle Class, Indepatriot Oct 2015 #4

If he were in big trouble, you would be ignoring him like Chafee and Webb and O'Malley Scootaloo Oct 2015 #5

For a guy who "can't win", there is a whole lot of effort devoted to him :) arcane1 Oct 2015 #7

Now they're using Hillary copying Obama brushing dirt.. frylock Oct 2015 #128

"Feel free to use the comments section to call me a corporatist, warmongering neoliberal shill" GusBob Oct 2015 #6

We're all corporatist, warmongering neoliberal shills under this bus. OilemFirchen Oct 2015 #26

Not really. The Arc of the Moral Universe Is Long But It Bends Toward Justice mmonk Oct 2015 #8

But I doubt it will bend that far in the next 12 months. n.t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #19

12 months is a short time. True, enough to allow more people possibly suffer, mmonk Oct 2015 #24

Here is the problem with that upaloopa Oct 2015 #23

How so. Are you familiar with Dr. King's Poor Peoples march or his opposition to war? mmonk Oct 2015 #27

I think the Civil Rights movement is a much upaloopa Oct 2015 #58

I think coopting Republican economics at the top, running a nation through corporations mmonk Oct 2015 #112

I don't think he is in big trouble. The Dems may be in big trouble if he continues for long. kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #9

I'm not convinced he wants to win, despite saying he was "in it to win it". randome Oct 2015 #33

gooble-gobble frylock Oct 2015 #131

I liked the part where the writer said ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #15

Let's see what the voters do.... TheProgressive Oct 2015 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #28

Why not? She has already lost once as the wife of a former president. Cal33 Oct 2015 #43

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #44

Being not ever a member of the Democratic Party you want to lead is a tough handicap. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #36

he is more dem than most dems restorefreedom Oct 2015 #39

I'm more of a Dem than you guys will ever be! Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #45

he hasn't asked for any endorsements restorefreedom Oct 2015 #55

It's easy to find out about the things Bernie Sanders has said, the bills he has put forward, how Cal33 Oct 2015 #152

Exactly! You're on the nose. Cal33 Oct 2015 #46

Despite his saying the opposite at the start, I think you're right. randome Oct 2015 #49

Yes he is sacrificing himself to make Hillary bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #102

Counter trey.. frylock Oct 2015 #135

The final paragraph Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #38

She's Just Talking, Just Words McKim Oct 2015 #120

He isn't in trouble but the US is in trouble if he isn't successful in gaining the nomination tularetom Oct 2015 #52

Bzzzt shenmue Oct 2015 #91

20% of the voter base hated NAFTA when Perot got that running against two parties supporting it... cascadiance Oct 2015 #123

Think about what you just wrote. Hillary has come out against the TPP. Why would anyone vote Trump stevenleser Oct 2015 #154

If she were really against the TPP, then why didn't she speak out against TPA... cascadiance Oct 2015 #160

ha ha. riversedge Oct 2015 #97

Well I'm sure that dangerous fanatic Carson appreciates all the help coming from Bernie's camp workinclasszero Oct 2015 #105

LOL! Politicalboi Oct 2015 #56

Because Salon Says So? Hahahahahahaha fredamae Oct 2015 #61

This is most likely accurate. I can't wait for the thrill of Bush v. Clinton redux. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #64

Trump vs Clinton. Bush is toast. ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #84

Do you base your vote on polls and endorsements? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #65

In primary races, yes, I often do. MineralMan Oct 2015 #72

Conduct your own unscientific pole, here's how. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #127

Is that what the Bernie Brain-Trust running his campaign are depending on workinclasszero Oct 2015 #146

When the people hear all those horns blowing WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2015 #153

Kick & recommended. William769 Oct 2015 #88

Well there you go ornotna Oct 2015 #95

Completely and enthusiastically unrecommended. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #98

Salon.com is a tabloid. Hillary/Bernie articles from there are all click-bait... and nothing more. Bubzer Oct 2015 #99

Sometimes I wake up early in the morning half asleep bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #107

If it's Trump vs Clinton Trump wins in a walk Indepatriot Oct 2015 #109

scary thought, that. Hiraeth Oct 2015 #136

If its Trump vs Clinton, it's competitive. If it's Trump vs Sanders, Trump gets 40+ states. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #157

Trump vs. Clinton, those against TPP are more apt to vote for Trump... cascadiance Oct 2015 #185

Wrong on all counts and here is why. stevenleser Oct 2015 #192

Sorry but what about her SUPPORT for H-1B quota EXPANSION is support for American Workers? cascadiance Oct 2015 #193

And you care about that but most voters don't. You just proved my point. stevenleser Oct 2015 #194

What is your point. That voters will believe BULLSHIT, because they aren't informed about things... cascadiance Oct 2015 #195

Oh...the Brown thing... SoapBox Oct 2015 #113

HAVE THE VOTES BEEN COUNTED? McKim Oct 2015 #115

As I was reading the threads to this post I was struck by ............................... turbinetree Oct 2015 #116

Thank you for your comment some are jumping ship here on DU bkkyosemite Oct 2015 #138

Thank you ..............I will not jump ship from my Principles..................................... turbinetree Oct 2015 #189

I like bernie and will vote for him ;but! captainarizona Oct 2015 #117

These endorsements are more of a sign that we are ALL losing because of Citizen's United BULLSHIT... cascadiance Oct 2015 #118

actually it's America and Americans that are in trouble Doctor_J Oct 2015 #124

More opinion masscaradeing as fact blackspade Oct 2015 #126

It's either an opinion, or its part of the broken primary and election. Not both. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #156

Two different things I was commenting on. blackspade Oct 2015 #164

No whining angrychair Oct 2015 #145

If anyone dares use the tem "shill" in a post about Hillary they are alerted on. But you know that. peacebird Oct 2015 #151

It's the actual title of the article and part of the URL for the article. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #155

Excellent article. It bothers me to see Brown declared a traitor Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #162

I think Brown's endorsement may reflect a desire to be VP. Vattel Oct 2015 #163

He's actually not in trouble at all Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #173

Thank you for this, Cali. Cha Oct 2015 #177

34 is also the percent Bernie has in the latest Reuter tracking poll, a record high jfern Oct 2015 #181