2016 Postmortem

MADem

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163. When you carry their water, you share in the responsibility.

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:58 AM

Oct 2015

No one is calling Sanders "GOP fodder." No one is saying YOU are a "McCain worshipper." That's an absurd premise from the get-go.

But using McCain to try to "bolster" Sanders is absurd. As I said, it's like using a vegetarian to tout the advantages of the Outback Steak House. They just don't go together. They don't agree on a single social program. They never will, either. Just because a Navy retiree and former POW likes a guy's legislation re: vets doesn't mean he'll like his legislation on a single other subject. That vegetarian I mentioned might like the parking lot at the Outback, but she doesn't care for a single thing on the menu.

This isn't about dim bulbs or flashes of brilliance, either. It's about finding a single point of congruence and trying to make something out of it that's just NOT there. "Oh look--McCain agrees with Bernie on treating veterans with a modicum of decency.....that means Bernie will sell McCain on universal health care NEXT WEEK...just you watch!!! See? SEE? Bernie CAN work with Republicans--they share his views!! Yay!" I'll bet you can find Republicans who agree with Sanders on dairy subsidies, too--that doesn't mean that Sanders has grand powers of pursuasion, it simply means that the Republican has rural constituents, too.

There's not much "there" there on this matter. The OP is framed as though McCain is "endorsing" Sanders, but when you dig down that's not what is happening. Further, the point that is lost on way too many is that framing McCain's comments as an endorsement is unhelpful to Sanders. Who wants a President that meets John McCain's standards? He's the guy who sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" after all.

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John McCain: Bernie Sanders, NOT Hillary Clinton, Has ‘Record of Advocacy’ For VETS [View all] Segami Oct 2015 OP

Well, she's interested.... daleanime Oct 2015 #1

Like McCain isn't? MADem Oct 2015 #9

McCain is running again? daleanime Oct 2015 #12

Apparently he's giving "guidance" to the Democratic Party that some find valuable. MADem Oct 2015 #91

But taking advice from Lindsey Graham is better Mnpaul Oct 2015 #208

Point me to the HRC DU thread that boasts about Lindsey's comments and calls them an "endorsement." MADem Oct 2015 #209

The endorsement crap is a lame smear from Hillary supporters Mnpaul Oct 2015 #210

Unnnnh....this thread, touting McCain's words, was NOT started by "Hillary supporters." MADem Oct 2015 #212

I'm still waiting for the McCain endorsement Mnpaul Oct 2015 #213

Post 1 makes the claim that John McCain is touting Sanders' 'record of advocacy' and was apparently MADem Oct 2015 #217

Post #1 Mnpaul Oct 2015 #218

Anyone reading the subject line of post 1 isn't going to play your no proof/strawman game. MADem Oct 2015 #220

The subject line of post #1 reads Mnpaul Oct 2015 #223

Post ZERO, then--the thread starting post. I'm making complete sense. MADem Oct 2015 #224

Yeah, we know the facts aren't on your side Mnpaul Oct 2015 #226

They are, though--and your tactics in this exchange demonstrate MADem Oct 2015 #228

Your tactics in this exchange Mnpaul Oct 2015 #231

I've provided links and cites. MADem Oct 2015 #232

I provided a list of actual bills authored Mnpaul Oct 2015 #234

So did I. And your video had nothing to do with the topic. MADem Oct 2015 #235

You post a link to 417 bills Mnpaul Oct 2015 #236

Gee, too many for you to read? Now you really DO want me to do your homework for you. MADem Oct 2015 #237

You were the one touting Hillary working with Graham Mnpaul Oct 2015 #238

No, I wasn't. MADem Oct 2015 #239

You posted it Mnpaul Oct 2015 #240

Right--her LEGISLATIVE achievements. Not her "Let me start a thread detailing which Republican MADem Nov 2015 #241

and Segami is doing the same Mnpaul Nov 2015 #242

Really? You're saying I started a thread telling everybody that they should vote for Clinton MADem Nov 2015 #243

You still don't get it Mnpaul Nov 2015 #244

If you don't need McCain's approval, then why is a member of your crew starting a thread MADem Nov 2015 #245

More manufactured outrage Mnpaul Nov 2015 #246

There is no "outrage" so not sure how it can be "manufactured." MADem Nov 2015 #247

You obviously don't point out hypocrisy Mnpaul Nov 2015 #248

The Man Who Chose Palin would not be my go to guy on Democratic Party punditry! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #81

Yeah...he's got our best interests at heart (not)! nt MADem Oct 2015 #90

Ok, that's a bit rough portlander23 Oct 2015 #27

American Exceptionalism needs our troops to die. It's not personal. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #129

Ha! That seems to be the plan. Military spending up the wazoo. valerief Oct 2015 #43

This ought to resonate with Clinton supporters Scootaloo Oct 2015 #2

The swarm will be along momentarily hootinholler Oct 2015 #3

LOLOLOLOL SoapBox Oct 2015 #4

That didn't take long hootinholler Oct 2015 #7

an entire OP devoted to it even! marym625 Oct 2015 #19

I couldn't find it hootinholler Oct 2015 #41

Now where would we find something that isn't true, marym625 Oct 2015 #42

You can try wehatebernie.com Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #135

Thank you. I stay away from caves. They're dark and chilly. marym625 Oct 2015 #156

A swarm of Democrats on Democratic Underground? Rose Siding Oct 2015 #18

Is Palin making a duckface? dae Oct 2015 #63

No, McCain is trying to goose her! eom Duval Oct 2015 #69

You got a lot of spunk Rose Siding, I'll give you that. A Simple Game Oct 2015 #82

Thanks! hootinholler Oct 2015 #85

I lubricate mine once in a while too. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #99

That is hysterical Oilwellian Oct 2015 #161

LOL! Segami Oct 2015 #162

The NERVE of those Democrats, piping up on a board called DEMOCRATIC Underground!!! MADem Oct 2015 #93

McCain is Hillary's "3AM" buddy.. frylock Oct 2015 #36

I LOL'd AzDar Oct 2015 #39

... Bubzer Oct 2015 #53

Oh, am I late? Nitram Oct 2015 #68

IDK hootinholler Oct 2015 #86

I don't consider myself part of a swarm. Nitram Oct 2015 #144

People mocking McCain on du? NCTraveler Oct 2015 #111

OMG McCain...now Berniebros are holding up McCain...the man who picked Palin as a running mate workinclasszero Oct 2015 #5

So....is the "Republicans would never work with Sanders" talking point dead? jeff47 Oct 2015 #8

They'll "work with him" until they toss him over the side in the general election! MADem Oct 2015 #10

You have an odd definition of "weakest" jeff47 Oct 2015 #13

If the GOP loves someone competing for the Democratic nomination, that's "weakest." MADem Oct 2015 #94

Again, if that is true, why is Sanders doing better in head-to-head polls? (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #95

Gee, isn't it your crew that discounts any polls you don't like? MADem Oct 2015 #104

And isn't it your crew that actually believes polls? jeff47 Oct 2015 #105

Well, you're living by the polls--you'd better be prepared to die by them..... MADem Oct 2015 #108

So polls don't mean anything now? jeff47 Oct 2015 #148

Why are you touting an article from Oct 5? That's a LIFETIME ago. MADem Oct 2015 #165

Reading. Try it sometime. jeff47 Oct 2015 #167

Personal insult--not a response to my question--the survey was from SEP, the article from OCT 5. MADem Oct 2015 #169

Jeff, they just want someone that really works on the republican side, doncha know? marym625 Oct 2015 #112

It's the Sanders supporters who brought "McCain HEARTS Sanders" into the mix, here. MADem Oct 2015 #116

oh don't sell yourself short! I'm sure you intended to be hilarious. marym625 Oct 2015 #120

What I am READING here is hilarious. MADem Oct 2015 #121

with all your hyperbole and lectures on what Sanders and Sanders' marym625 Oct 2015 #122

Ah ha....and there it is!! No longer about the topic, now you're railing about ME. MADem Oct 2015 #123

there you go again, changing the subject, twisting the OP, marym625 Oct 2015 #126

Ha ha ha!! The subject is McCain, and how he's "endorsing" Sanders... MADem Oct 2015 #127

I thought you hated the little laughing guy? marym625 Oct 2015 #128

I think he's like salt--best used SPARINGLY! MADem Oct 2015 #131

I watched part of the republican debate last night. marym625 Oct 2015 #152

Are you calling me "dear" to be smarmy and denigrating, or am I really that "dear" to you? MADem Oct 2015 #164

Republicans want.... daleanime Oct 2015 #14

They want Sanders....so they can beat him like a rented mule. MADem Oct 2015 #100

I suppose that's why Sanders turns up at the top of Republican polls in NH eridani Oct 2015 #139

It would help to have a look at those polls, to see what they are actually saying. MADem Oct 2015 #166

John McCain... the man Hillary assured us was more qualified to be President than Obama Autumn Oct 2015 #58

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #119

McCain whas the guy Hillary picked as better qualifies to pick up the red phone at 3am-- eridani Oct 2015 #140

This is from the ASS who choose Palin as his VP. Glad to see DU finds it helpful to inquire about still_one Oct 2015 #6

Hmm....your list doesn't include anything about vets. jeff47 Oct 2015 #26

PFFT!!! HAHAHA retrowire Oct 2015 #44

Here is a few of the veterans issues and how she voted still_one Oct 2015 #59

Hillary as pretty tight with McCain when discussion of 3AM phone calls came up. frylock Oct 2015 #37

This MIGHT be the strangest list I ever saw on anyone's positions karynnj Oct 2015 #71

Glad you enjoyed it, and you are correct about McCain not only still_one Oct 2015 #117

Just think about how much better off you would be today if your vote was the one.... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #11

Yes, it was totally necessary to vote for Clinton in 2008. Otherwise we'd have lost the GE. jeff47 Oct 2015 #17

Things NCTraveler has never said for $200, Alex. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #20

I'll take "What year was McCain the Republican nominee?" for $500. jeff47 Oct 2015 #21

Bernie Sanders embraces John McCain and Palin workinclasszero Oct 2015 #15

embraces? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #25

He is a Jedi. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #32

i hope someone photoshops that restorefreedom Oct 2015 #35

There's a cartoon jeff47 Oct 2015 #61

thats gold restorefreedom Oct 2015 #66

After a 3AM phone call no less. frylock Oct 2015 #76

Who can forget that ad davidpdx Oct 2015 #190

Clinton supporters are trying like hell to forget. frylock Oct 2015 #192

Hillary embraced McCain over Obama in 2008 in the matter of 3am phone calls n/t eridani Oct 2015 #141

You mean her "commander-in-chief threshold" comment davidpdx Oct 2015 #191

Yes. But we already know that. mmonk Oct 2015 #16

When was Hillary not an advocate for veterans? McCain hate Hillary and will lie to no end. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #22

Yep. Let's take the Republican's word. RandySF Oct 2015 #23

Should be very easy to refute if he's lying. jeff47 Oct 2015 #29

You can't talk facts in a political campaign, only incredibly fabricated conjectures are allowed. nm NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #38

Watch what they do not what they say. That is why I support Bernie Sanders. I know what he did sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #24

+1 tecelote Oct 2015 #30

Four of the worst and most harmful pieces of legislation in recent history marym625 Oct 2015 #49

She is very weak on the issues. That is why they are doing everything they can to avoid sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #54

Right on, Sabrina! marym625 Oct 2015 #62

Yeah, we're all older and wiser now. We see through the sham that our democracy has become. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #65

Discussion of issues is mysoginistic. frylock Oct 2015 #78

Thanks, marym. Bernie gets legislation that he writes passed into law. Hillary does NOT have a merrily Oct 2015 #57

Thank you, merrily! marym625 Oct 2015 #64

Glad you found it useful. It's not about principles or positions. merrily Oct 2015 #70

Say what you want about McCain's overall politics, but... HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #28

Hmmm. Nitram Oct 2015 #75

The ironing is delicious. frylock Oct 2015 #83

Like Vietnam? HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #84

Sorry, Herb, McCain doesn't have my respect. Nitram Oct 2015 #143

Seems like yesterday RandySF Oct 2015 #31

I guess this endorsement totally cancels out rbrnmw Oct 2015 #33

For a disabled veteran, probably so. mmonk Oct 2015 #34

The disabled vet Mnpaul Oct 2015 #124

No one is getting a COLA increase this year. So it wasn't McCain, either. MADem Oct 2015 #194

I was referring to S. 893 Mnpaul Oct 2015 #202

What does Clinton have to do with that piece of legislation? Answer: NOTHING. MADem Oct 2015 #203

Two bills from Hillary Mnpaul Oct 2015 #204

You obviously don't have command of your facts. It's way more than "two bills" and if you did MADem Oct 2015 #205

Unlike you Mnpaul Oct 2015 #207

And can you also document that Sanders is one of the LEAST bipartisan Congressmen on the Hill? MADem Oct 2015 #215

I didn't think you would post the bills Mnpaul Oct 2015 #216

You were the one who demanded them, not me. MADem Oct 2015 #219

Working with the other side to help vets Mnpaul Oct 2015 #221

Not when you're taking guidance on who is "best" at it from a right wing nut job. nt MADem Oct 2015 #222

We are not taking guidance from McCain Mnpaul Oct 2015 #225

Yes, you are--otherwise you wouldn't keep engaging me on this matter. MADem Oct 2015 #229

No I'm not Mnpaul Oct 2015 #230

Post 232. nt MADem Oct 2015 #233

What McCain is saying is undoubtedly true, but... camelfan Oct 2015 #40

Or maybe it was a moment of clarity from a subject that burns in his belly. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #47

The bullshit being said about this post is laughable marym625 Oct 2015 #45

"Bernie did a great job working with republicans" workinclasszero Oct 2015 #51

yes, he passed legislation that helped the country. marym625 Oct 2015 #60

Don't forget her buddy Kissinger, the war criminal wanted in several countries. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #87

They look like hootinholler Oct 2015 #103

Lol, yes they do! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #109

Not surprising...not at all! Segami Oct 2015 #110

+1000 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #118

Working together makes them pals? And now the Gowdy strawman? arcane1 Oct 2015 #79

Gee, the complaint around here from Team Clinton has been that Bernie can't work with Congress.. frylock Oct 2015 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Oct 2015 #154

Considering McCain's choice for VP, I think I will pass on listening to any of his advice liberal N proud Oct 2015 #46

The mechanic has a shitty husband and always wrongly predicts the weather. No way I'd let that hack Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #50

What if that mechanic was the cause of a loud squeal in your car? liberal N proud Oct 2015 #52

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #48

There is some 'help' that Sanders doesn't need.... blackspade Oct 2015 #55

Johnny 5 planes endorses Bernie? leftofcool Oct 2015 #56

Could be the kiss of death like it was for Hillary in 2008. frylock Oct 2015 #96

The kiss of death. Nitram Oct 2015 #67

My first reaction! BlueMTexpat Oct 2015 #73

Just ask Hillary! frylock Oct 2015 #97

Exactly what the Clinton team SHOULD have expected when they attacked Sanders on this bill karynnj Oct 2015 #72

How desperate is Bernie now workinclasszero Oct 2015 #74

This seems more like McCain clinging to Bernie.. frylock Oct 2015 #98

Wow. Seems the same people calling for conservatives votes last Phlem Oct 2015 #77

These people contradict themselves every time they open their mouths.. frylock Oct 2015 #101

Spot on with that. Phlem Oct 2015 #107

Not going to give a knee jerk reaction. Duval Oct 2015 #80

what some forget Robbins Oct 2015 #88

Incredible how a Republican gives props to Sanders for all he's done for Vets d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #92

It seems just like yesterday when they were all worried about Bernie being a sexist... Kalidurga Oct 2015 #102

No one is doing that 'big fat lie' thing at all. You shouldn't misstate the POV. MADem Oct 2015 #113

What do you mean he'd better? d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #125

Check his COMMITTEE memberships. MADem Oct 2015 #132

Okay...so what exactly are you arguing? d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #137

Go back to the very first post that starts this foolish journey. MADem Oct 2015 #138

Take it up with that person then! d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #158

When you carry their water, you share in the responsibility. MADem Oct 2015 #163

I ain't carrying nobody's water! Its you who keeps splashing it on me. d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #168

Now you are just gish galloping. MADem Oct 2015 #170

If that means that you're moving the goal post then guilty as charged d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #172

The point I think you are missing is that a pat on the back from a Republican isn't a good thing. MADem Oct 2015 #173

Wow, you never stop making stuff up don't you? d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #185

And you never stop having challenges understanding my point. Ever. You just did it again. MADem Oct 2015 #186

Bernie enid602 Oct 2015 #106

The Lane Bryant lady has sung, crashed and burned. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #114

Wow, citing John McCain as an endorsement for Sanders. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #115

Desperation is using that emoticon to attempt to ridicule. Sad. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #130

I think the attempt succeeded. It's pretty low to pull out McCain as "proof" of anything. MADem Oct 2015 #133

So.. Kentonio Oct 2015 #174

So....you completely missed the point I was making. MADem Oct 2015 #175

John McCain is a completely qualified man to speak about Veterans affairs Kentonio Oct 2015 #180

He married an heiress while transitioning to retirement status. MADem Oct 2015 #182

A man who spent 5 and a half years in a Vietnamese prison camp Kentonio Oct 2015 #183

What does that dramatic paragraph have to do with his knowledge of a healthcare facility? MADem Oct 2015 #184

The disrespect comes from this idea that because he didn't use a VA facility Kentonio Oct 2015 #187

Unnnh--that's not "disrespect." Good grief, the 'disrespect' is entirely IN YOUR MIND. MADem Oct 2015 #188

He knows a damn sight more about the injuries and traumas Kentonio Oct 2015 #189

So you're saying Senator Sanders is incapable of learning about traumas and injuries, that the only MADem Oct 2015 #193

Oh you want to play in the mud? Kentonio Oct 2015 #195

You are the only one approaching this conversation as a "game." MADem Oct 2015 #197

As your 'game' appears to be dishonesty and misrepresentation Kentonio Oct 2015 #198

Yeah, the 'dishonesty' of facts and links. Whereas your lame opinion of a warmonger Republican MADem Oct 2015 #199

Please go away now Kentonio Oct 2015 #200

No. If you want to find the door, go right ahead. MADem Oct 2015 #201

I don't use the icon to ridicule MohRokTah Oct 2015 #149

Ridicule "Words or actions intended to evoke contemptuous laughter at or feelings toward a person" rhett o rick Oct 2015 #150

I am laughing at the silly shit posted. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #151

Especially when it's an out and out lie. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #136

Clinton endorsed him in 2008 over Obama in the matter or 3am phone calls n/t eridani Oct 2015 #142

Hillary said McCain was more qualified than Obama to deal with foreign policy emergencies. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #159

They sure do.... Segami Oct 2015 #160

Another thing that McCain is right and Hillary wrong on is we should reinstate Glass Steagall jfern Oct 2015 #134

Gosh,I wonder why McCain is promoting Sanders? sufrommich Oct 2015 #145

For his outstanding collaborative effort in ensuring that Vets get the healthcare they earned. frylock Oct 2015 #179

I'm glad at least one Republican recognizes Bernie's work. Vinca Oct 2015 #146

blah blah blah go Ann Kirkpatrick! lonestarnot Oct 2015 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Oct 2015 #153

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Oct 2015 #155

"Fringe left" LOL! "Hates" LOL! merrily Oct 2015 #178

that bastard, a veteran himself, votes against the vets every time, and has the nerve to talk niyad Oct 2015 #157

Kick nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #171

Cranky old guy HassleCat Oct 2015 #176

Poor Hillary. Some people tell the truth about her record. merrily Oct 2015 #177

But I heard Sanders couldn't work with anybody in the senate tularetom Oct 2015 #181

Well, McCain is not going to switch parties and serve as a super delegate, now, is he? MADem Oct 2015 #196

Of course it isn't an endorsement and it would be meaningless if it was tularetom Oct 2015 #206

It is a FACT that Sanders ranks SECOND LOWEST in terms of bipartisanship in his "ranking member" MADem Oct 2015 #211

While I don't know if I'd use John McCain as proof of something mythology Oct 2015 #214

I have heard John McCain speaking very highly of Hillary doc03 Oct 2015 #227